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  rwyan

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1/30/13 6:22:06 AM#41

I don't understand the fuss really.  DAoC was designed like this.  Each Realm had its own isolated PvE area and then there were shared PvP areas (which did feature PvE dungeons and what not).

 

Once again, the "gaming community" is all up in arms about something.  I can understand concern but this has been done before (in WAR as well to some degree and even WoW) it worked out fine.

 

Every one breath.... put your big/girl pants back on and understand that all will be okay :)

  azzamasin

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1/30/13 6:22:21 AM#42
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  cura

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1/30/13 6:27:06 AM#43
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

Cyrodill is closed area, there are no details on how they want to implement housing and themeparks are for low intelligence masses. See what i did here?

  azzamasin

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1/30/13 6:28:29 AM#44
Originally posted by Loke666

Locking factions have its advantages and disadvantages.

I dont see it as one of the turnoffs from the game though, there are far more annoying steps away from the elder scroll games like their use of classes in a game that should really be classless.

Hopefully will the game be a more modern version of DaoC and I might play it but as I see it is the misstake they made to make it an elder scroll MMO. Zenimax should either have bought the rights for DaoC or made a new IP instead. An elder scroll MMO should be more like Daggerfall with better graphics, combat mechanics and AI.

Free for all PvP demands its own game and having it with ESOs mechanics would not work that well. Look on AoC, if ESO had FFA PvP the result would be very similar.

Locking the factions has all the advantages and no disadvantages from a gaming point of view.  They deviated from Elder Scrolls only when it didnt make sense in an online persistent world like an MMO.  As for classes, they are basically allowing all the customization and open-endedness of the RPG's while keeping some sembalnce of a class based system to attract a different type of audience.  Again all the benefits and none of the drawbacks.

 

The game is the spiritual successor to DAoC in all ways right down to the realm pride that faction locked PvE areas provide.  IMO what better way to attract 2 different types of players (and to potentially have greater profits) then to appeal to TES players and MMO players.  Again Zenimax gets the best of both worlds.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Grunch

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1/30/13 6:28:40 AM#45
People need to realize this game is going to be more of a DAoC 2 then Elder Scrolls. To me this is very good because DAoC was awesome and I can't wait for ESO to release.

"I'm sorry but your mmo has been diagnosed with EA and only has X number of days to live."

  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

1/30/13 6:29:47 AM#46
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

Cyrodill is closed area, there are no details on how they want to implement housing and themeparks are for low intelligence masses. See what i did here?

Cyodill is a zone jsut as much as Skyrim is a zone.  Hence it is an open area.  You're thinking of seemless versus zoning and it has no bearing on whether or not its open or instanced.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  3-4thElf

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Posts: 495

1/30/13 6:30:43 AM#47

Locked factions, locked classes, locked progression, phasing. Yeah the usual stuff that made me tired of theme park games pretty much made me lose interest. I know there's a hype machine out there trying to paint a different picture for this game, but they're the same ones who try to say RIFT is different or Secret World is different. They're a lil' different, but not different enough.

And I mean the locked factions excites the DAoC crowd? DAoC is still around. Mechanics from 2001 excites people? No innovation, just straight up cloning is what people want?

It's not what they want. Zeni's going to have to launch B2P and swell on about box sales, because if they go hunting for subs they won't be there after 6 months.

a yo ho ho

  DSWBeef

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1/30/13 6:31:19 AM#48
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

YOu dont help your cause when you say "Sandboxes suck ass" Makes you look like a wow kiddie.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, World of Warcraft, and Diablo 3
Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  VoreDock

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1/30/13 6:33:04 AM#49

this will be the whole ES world up to now we have gotten one pice in each game the space covered will be  the size of both north and south america  it is in short the biggest world of any game ever almost dbl the size of WoW each faction will have a space larger than skyrim plus Cyrodill witch anyone can go to  it's not a problem not by far

 

  cura

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Joined: 7/24/04
Posts: 867

1/30/13 6:37:02 AM#50
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

Cyrodill is closed area, there are no details on how they want to implement housing and themeparks are for low intelligence masses. See what i did here?

Cyodill is a zone jsut as much as Skyrim is a zone.  Hence it is an open area.  You're thinking of seemless versus zoning and it has no bearing on whether or not its open or instanced.

I know what is difference between zoned and simless world and i dont care if game is one or another. But if there is only one zone to pvp you cant say its open world pvp. What bothers me is i would not have my favourite random pvp during leveling. I couldnt care less about zerging in Cyrodill. Its boring.

  Miklosan

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Joined: 7/17/08
Posts: 179

1/30/13 6:41:09 AM#51

Still interested but it sure is a big minus!

 

And too many minus..........

 

 

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1161

1/30/13 6:41:34 AM#52
Originally posted by Asariasha

@Maelwydd:

I've got the feeling you await the developers to create your perfect version of a TES MMORPG. This will most likely not happen. The TESO concept clearly is about 3 factions. As far as we know, it will be some sort of a theme park and the fight between the 3 factions seems to be what to expect as endgame content. Keeping these facts in mind, to force players to make a decision on what realm to play supports the concept and the generation of realm pride and identity.

I am happy with a lot of what I hear except this faction lock as it is, as the OP suggested, totally removed any excitement in hte game. I am still interested and hope that their design concept, through play testing and listenning to genuine concerns, is adjusted.

There is no need to faction lock races to maintain a 3 faction PvP game. This isn't a single nation invading or defending their homeland. This is a fight for the crown. Sure the heads of each faction have many allies but is it really believeable or even neccessary to lock every single player and NPC into these factions?

You see the reason I think they are locking races to factions has a great deal to do with the fear that, due to the IP being used, a large prtion of the population would not have joined a PvP faction if given the choice. They have to show faction numbers are high because without that then the focus of the game, Cryodil, would really be a failure.

But even if that were not the case and lots of people with the freedom of choice did join a faction how would taht change the game?

What is the differnence between faction locking race and each character choosing their faction?

Faction locking races make the PvP better.

Not having faction locked races would promote diversity in each faction, allow friends to play together, add an element of suprise to PvP fights as you wouldn't know just by looking which faction they belong to, it would alow people to roam around the entire world, it would allow for any quest in any region to be done by any character, it would allow dungeons in each region to be done by any character not just characters from that particular faction....the list goes on.

 

And either way you still have 3 faction PvP....

  User Deleted
1/30/13 6:44:14 AM#53
Originally posted by Grunch
People need to realize this game is going to be more of a DAoC 2 then Elder Scrolls. To me this is very good because DAoC was awesome and I can't wait for ESO to release.

Exactly.

Hate on, haters. There will always be Archeage for you. But dont worry, i for one wont miss you in TESO :)

  azzamasin

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1/30/13 6:49:35 AM#54
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

YOu dont help your cause when you say "Sandboxes suck ass" Makes you look like a wow kiddie.

So the umpteen million threads on these forums dissing & bad mouthing themeparks are ok but one person who hates sandboxs say soemthing and you call them out on it.  Novel approach.......and its the reason I included it in my post, showing the hypocrocy of people is a a goal of mine every day.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Betaguy

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1/30/13 6:49:42 AM#55
Originally posted by ikarrian
And you've seen the areas?

My thoughts exactly, hehe. I like seeing people whine about things they haven't even seen or experienced.

  Maelwydd

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1/30/13 6:50:00 AM#56
Originally posted by ikarrian
Originally posted by Grunch
People need to realize this game is going to be more of a DAoC 2 then Elder Scrolls. To me this is very good because DAoC was awesome and I can't wait for ESO to release.

Exactly.

Hate on, haters. There will always be Archeage for you. But dont worry, i for one wont miss you in TESO :)

The Elder Scrolls Online.

Say it again then ask yourself, is calling someone who loves The Elder Scrolls series of games a hater because the game is more DAOC2 then TES really your level of social skills and intellect?

  Betaguy

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1/30/13 6:51:00 AM#57
Originally posted by ikarrian
Originally posted by Grunch
People need to realize this game is going to be more of a DAoC 2 then Elder Scrolls. To me this is very good because DAoC was awesome and I can't wait for ESO to release.

Exactly.

Hate on, haters. There will always be Archeage for you. But dont worry, i for one wont miss you in TESO :)

 This too, I still play DAoC off and on. Can't wait for TESO.

  DSWBeef

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1/30/13 6:52:42 AM#58
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

YOu dont help your cause when you say "Sandboxes suck ass" Makes you look like a wow kiddie.

So the umpteen million threads on these forums dissing & bad mouthing themeparks are ok but one person who hates sandboxs say soemthing and you call them out on it.  Novel approach.......and its the reason I included it in my post, showing the hypocrocy of people is a a goal of mine every day.

I never said thos threads are OK. But you arnt helping this so called "feud". 

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  DSWBeef

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1/30/13 6:53:14 AM#59
The only think TESO has going for it is its RVR if that sucks hard then its gonan crash and burn.

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  azzamasin

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1/30/13 6:53:21 AM#60
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by cura
Nope. Lack of open world pvp, housing and sand box features did.

Cyrodill is open and housing is first priority on the list after release.  Sandboxes suck ass and are a niche sub-genre.

 

As to answer the OP's question.........HELL YES.  I get the following:
  • Spiritual Successor to DAoC.  The best PvP game of all time
  • Open world exploration across vast swathes of Tamriel
  • open ended class bas system that lets me wear any armor and wiled any weapon I want plus I get to customize my skills and pick and choose which skills suit me more.
  • A return to non-Instanced dungeons

 

 

 

Cyrodill is closed area, there are no details on how they want to implement housing and themeparks are for low intelligence masses. See what i did here?

Cyodill is a zone jsut as much as Skyrim is a zone.  Hence it is an open area.  You're thinking of seemless versus zoning and it has no bearing on whether or not its open or instanced.

I know what is difference between zoned and simless world and i dont care if game is one or another. But if there is only one zone to pvp you cant say its open world pvp. What bothers me is i would not have my favourite random pvp during leveling. I couldnt care less about zerging in Cyrodill. Its boring.

Thats like me getting to call the sky Periwinkle when it's obviously blue grey.  You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

 

Huge difference between Open and Instanced.  Zoned and seemless.  Cyrodill is an Open World Zone and sense PvP takes place in it then by definition it is open world PvP.  Theres only Open and instanced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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