Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by jakojako
there are no mmo's geared towards ganking and pvp

Sevencore, dusk514 just to name a couple.

Gee, those are some popular MMOs...

dusk514 isn't even an MMO, it's a shooter with some persistency qualities

seriousy though, this thread is ridiculous.  The most popular MMOs are all heavily PvE oriented. 

eve is the only mmo i play and i'm Industry.

I pvp when alliance calls for it. I PvE when rats show up in my belt.

what am I ?

I like to build stuff...and to sell stuff. So I appreciate the important of people breaking their stuff and coming to me to buy more stuff.

@Hraeth: I like to think of mining as space-fishing. It's relaxing, simple and ... every second counts towards the goal.

I don't care about PvP. I avoid it at all cost,  and I am not going to play any MMO which is PvP oriented. I have many friends who think the same, and I have many firends who enjoy it.

Originally posted by Robokapp

eve is the only mmo i play and i'm Industry.

 

I pvp when alliance calls for it. I PvE when rats show up in my belt.

 

what am I ?

 

I like to build stuff...and to sell stuff. So I appreciate the important of people breaking their stuff and coming to me to buy more stuff.

Makes you a opportunist.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Robokapp

eve is the only mmo i play and i'm Industry.

 

I pvp when alliance calls for it. I PvE when rats show up in my belt.

 

what am I ?

 

I like to build stuff...and to sell stuff. So I appreciate the important of people breaking their stuff and coming to me to buy more stuff.

Makes you a opportunist.

Just the sort that excels in EVE. It's a shame that so precious few MMORPGs are incapable of satisfying both the PVErs and PVPrs in such brilliantly simple way.

Just like with any internet poll, it is hardly scientific.

I'd love to see some serious polling done though. Things like defining words and clarifying meaning, giving people unbiased options which are chosen based on personal preference.

For example, instead of saying an obviously unintelligent biased...

" I love the cheap thrill of ganking give me more" - 4.5%

You state the choice in a way that caters towards people who love the "cheap thrill of ganking". When phrased correctly, the 4.5% will rise dramatically. When phrased in such a bias way to paint it was idiocy or negative, obviously very few will vote this option. Those who do, like myself, most likely did so because it's the 'joke' option.

PvP and PvE or "Both" are entirely relative to the game mechanics. That is why this poll is fail.

Would love to see some professional polls though.

Originally posted by ikarrian

Originally posted by Fendel84M
Most of the kids who started with WoW are adults now. People need to stop talking about all the kids that started with WoW. lol

Yet they still believe they are "Gods of pvp" because they had high arena score.... funny

 

UO, that was proper PVP with real death penaltys. Looted, lost ur horse, and you have to run naked and humiliated back to town to get a resurrection from the healer.

Atleast it was based on player skill, not ur stupid gear.

Yet you still believe UO vets are "Gods of pvp" because they had PK's and full loot corpse runs.... funny

It's amazing to me that people are so incapable of viewing biased perspective when complaining ABOUT biased perspective...

When I play an MMORPG I am only interested in PvE experience, mostly the group experience and partially the odd soloing and raiding urges.

If I want to PvP I play a real PvP game like an RTS or something designed for PvP in mind. I think most player shide behind the flaws of an MMORPG to make themselves "feel" uber or l33t.

and I don't mind the interrupting of your PvE experience by the ganker PvP I think that's fun... my main problem with PvP implemented in PvE game is the "balance" that goes with it. It restricts a lot of the fun and creativity of PvE just to tweak PvP for it. Itemizations get tweaked, classes get tweaked, everything gets adjusted just for the sake of "balance" for PvP.

Wasted developer time for what?

Token hunting, retarded Arena Games (BattleGrounds)... meaningless and pointless twitchy combat. 99.99% of the situations are not "fair" whether it's Class-to-Class imbalances, Gear, Level, Outnumbering, Latency, Ganking... and whathaveyou.

I want a pure PvE game where the developer goes very creative with class design and itemization without the fear of breaking their precious PvP system.

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

Just like with any internet poll, it is hardly scientific.

 

I'd love to see some serious polling done though. Things like defining words and clarifying meaning, giving people unbiased options which are chosen based on personal preference.

 

For example, instead of saying an obviously unintelligent biased...

" I love the cheap thrill of ganking give me more" - 4.5%

 

You state the choice in a way that caters towards people who love the "cheap thrill of ganking". When phrased correctly, the 4.5% will rise dramatically. When phrased in such a bias way to paint it was idiocy or negative, obviously very few will vote this option. Those who do, like myself, most likely did so because it's the 'joke' option.

 

PvP and PvE or "Both" are entirely relative to the game mechanics. That is why this poll is fail.

Would love to see some professional polls though.

I voted for that option too.  Based on the OP's negative view of PvP I figured that's want he wanted to hear.  I aim to please.

Lets consider, the number one video game franchise online in the world is Call of Duty. Call of Duty is a pvp based game. Originally, mmorpgs  were strictly pve. Pvp was mainly a side show for mmorpgs back in the day. Then came Dark Age of Camelot. Which mixed pvp or in Dark ages world RVR into the mainstream of mmorpgs.

The best mmorpg is a game which incorporates both a nice pve environ as well as nice pvp. A great example of that currently would be RIFT. The question would be, why would any mmorpg developer limit themselves to only one or the other? I do not see either pve or pvp going away anytime soon. I expect more developers to bring pve and pvp to bear in its titles.

I voted PvE. There are two barriers to entry that prevent me from ever embracing PvP. (Well, three... but the third is the immaturity that a certain percentage of players demonstrate; but you can get a bad apple in any bunch no matter what you're doing).

Barrier 1 is the "flavor of the month" and/or the "cheats/hacks". Nearly every MMO I've been involved with has had a sub-group of PvPers who find some exploit to gain an unfair advantage. The game company is usually slow to respond (well, I should say, it's not a quick fix), and now every PvP fight has to be scrutinized like a baseball player hitting 60 homeruns. I like a fair fight where my own strategy and character build offers me a chance to win (or lose fairly if I am not prepared).

Barrier 2 is not always the case, but it does deter me: I don't like MMO PvP systems that require an entirely different character stat; a stat that has no bearing on PvE. For example, the "Toughness" in DCUO or "Expertise" in SWTOR. My play time is limited each evening. I don't have time to build a PvE template AND a PvP template. That's my own problem, of course. I don't fault anyone else for me not having time to commit. But it IS a barrier to my entry into PvP. I liked TSW's PvP and have played it extensively. I'm not the best, I'm not the worst. But I can compete because my PvE gear and abilities works the same in PvP, for the most part.

But even the most perfect PvP system would never replace PvE for me. I like exploring, complex crafting systems (SWG or death!), and learning about the environment and how to overcome it's challenges. PvP becomes repetitive to me; a nice diversion sometimes, but frustrating over the long term.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by dave6660

If you don't like PvP then don't do it.

How many mmorpg's released in the past 5 years have forced PvP on you?  They're not hard to avoid.

 

I acualy do like pvp if done right. I was just posing a qustion if DEVS gear MMO's now twords pvp instead of pve.

No, they don't. MMOs are still extremely PvE focused with all their raids/dungeons/questing/housing etc. being implemented all the time. Although all major MMOs throw in some PvP because no PvP is a huge no no for most people. Even if that pvp is just implemented as an afterthought. Even the earliest MMOs had PvP in them and it did play a fairly significant part in them - e.g. UO and DaoC. THe only exception was EQ but you can't make generalisations based on just one MMO can you now?

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by LeegOfChldrn

Just like with any internet poll, it is hardly scientific.

 

I'd love to see some serious polling done though. Things like defining words and clarifying meaning, giving people unbiased options which are chosen based on personal preference.

 

For example, instead of saying an obviously unintelligent biased...

" I love the cheap thrill of ganking give me more" - 4.5%

 

You state the choice in a way that caters towards people who love the "cheap thrill of ganking". When phrased correctly, the 4.5% will rise dramatically. When phrased in such a bias way to paint it was idiocy or negative, obviously very few will vote this option. Those who do, like myself, most likely did so because it's the 'joke' option.

 

PvP and PvE or "Both" are entirely relative to the game mechanics. That is why this poll is fail.

Would love to see some professional polls though.

I voted for that option too.  Based on the OP's negative view of PvP I figured that's want he wanted to hear.  I aim to please.

All things highlighted I want to address.

1.  You are right this is not a scientific pole. I did not get paid to do this pole Instead it is a pole of fun if you will because it is very intreasting to me to get view points from members from this comunity since we are a colorful bunch for the most part I believe that 97% of all you gave a answer gave a honest reply to this thread.

2. Number one cover number 2 as mention 93% I believe gave a honest answer and btw ty for all the replies I read them all and comment on the ones that caught my attention. Anyways that will qualify personal prefrence and if you dont believe me then feel free to go read every single post and you will see this to be true.

3. the last choice " I love to gank give me more" option was just that a joke. shows that 4.5 of us has a since of humor.

4. Sorry if you feel this was a negative view of PVP I did not mean to come across that way. Both is a good choice but were you honest with your answer and please I dont want it to be what you think I want to hear but I am more intreasted in what you have to say.

5. One last point if anyone so desires to make a professional pole that is off this topic then pls do so, I will be happy to partake in it and give a honest opinion.