Originally posted by asmkm22

It's not gamers, it's the developers.  It's a whole lot easier and cheap to setup PVP as a major end-game attraction because you aren't having to constantly design new things like encounters and storylines.  You just build a map and people churn through the "content" over and over again.

It's kind of annoying how they use that as a crutch though.

I seem to recall there was a study that less than 20% of people who buy/sub a game get to the end-game content. If that is true, no wonder devs don't knock themselves out over end-game content.

Originally posted by Onomas

80% of this forums people do not know what ganking, ganked, or gank means. Everytime they die they say "I got ganked".

Lot of people use this misconception to turn others off from games also, and people associate ganking with sandboxes which is untrue.

I have read people saying in AOW they were ganked 3 times in the first 5 minutes of logging in, which is untrue.

People do not group and want to solo everything in a pvp game and get killed is stupidity not being unlucky.

If you dont pay attention to your surroundings and get attacked whos fault is that?

PvP is not PvE and needs to be treated differently.

I have not been truely "ganked" in several years. But i always see the same people claim they were ganked, corpsecamped, and griefed. In a large open world why is it trouble always seems to follow you?

 

I realy think the ganking is used to loosly. Many of you associate ganking with pvp and full loot with open world games. PvP can be fun if done correctly, work together with others, keep an eye out for incoming players, try to avoid hot spots, and know your skills properly.  Not saying it doesnt happen, just seems it happens far to many times to certain people. So far a month in AOW as an example and I havent died once, but so many say its a gankfest game......................

I agree the word ganked is totaly missused by far. I used it since ppl do think of it in many diffrent terms.

Originally posted by Biskop
The whole premise of the thread is wrong. Practically all current AAA games are PvE centric, with PvP tacked on as a side dish.

But I guess the op think having 95% of the market catering to his tastes isn't enough.. .

Sorry if you missunderstood me on this thread is for your opinion on the subject not mine. Thankfuly the pole favors pve I am thankful for that.

Originally posted by Scottgun

Originally posted by asmkm22

It's not gamers, it's the developers.  It's a whole lot easier and cheap to setup PVP as a major end-game attraction because you aren't having to constantly design new things like encounters and storylines.  You just build a map and people churn through the "content" over and over again.

It's kind of annoying how they use that as a crutch though.

I seem to recall there was a study that less than 20% of people who buy/sub a game get to the end-game content. If that is true, no wonder devs don't knock themselves out over end-game content.

I'd have to wonder if that data might be obsoleted for modern games with "rush to cap then raid or PVP" design.

PVE all the way for me. I may jump in pvp once in a while but it really doesn't float my boat.

Originally posted by Scottgun

Originally posted by asmkm22

It's not gamers, it's the developers.  It's a whole lot easier and cheap to setup PVP as a major end-game attraction because you aren't having to constantly design new things like encounters and storylines.  You just build a map and people churn through the "content" over and over again.

It's kind of annoying how they use that as a crutch though.

I seem to recall there was a study that less than 20% of people who buy/sub a game get to the end-game content. If that is true, no wonder devs don't knock themselves out over end-game content.

How old was the study. In vanilla wow less than 5% of the population raided. Now it's probably closer to 60% because they made it easy and accessable. You also have to consider who they include in that population. People gone in the first month really should count when deciding what's best for their customers.

On topic I'm actually glad to see this poll is such a landslide. PvPers tend to be the most vocal of the populations in games but it's pretty clear they're not the majority. I don't think games shouldn't have pvp I enjoy it once in a while but I hope things like this make them think twice the next time they want to nerf a skill in pve because it's too op in pvp.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Biskop
The whole premise of the thread is wrong. Practically all current AAA games are PvE centric, with PvP tacked on as a side dish.

But I guess the op think having 95% of the market catering to his tastes isn't enough.. .

Sorry if you missunderstood me on this thread is for your opinion on the subject not mine. Thankfuly the pole favors pve I am thankful for that.

56% PVE 

44% PVP

its reasonably close, 3 of your options were for those who wanted some PvP

Originally posted by sakinah

The problem isnt pvp..The problem to me is that today  its all about harassing/ganking/insulting/trolling/greifing...Back in the days ppl would congratulate each other on thier acomplishment.Today they just insult/troll you for every little thing you fail.(Dota/LoL/HoN anyone?) :p

I love pvp in mmo or in any game in general but i really dont like this trend of  "I FKIN OWND YOU BITCH!I FKED YOUR MOM LAST NIGHT!YEAH!!!".

I think its poisonus and is slowly transforming totaly decent players into trolls.

If anything i want more pvp in my mmos but i just dont like the kind of crowd that it brings haha.

 

oh so very true.

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by Isturi

It seems that todays gamers are just for pvp and ganking anymore. It seems that lore and pve has taken a back seat with MMO gaming anymore. Do gamers of today even care about lore or pve or do they perfer to just get the game role a class and go out and try to gank someone for a cheap thrill? I get the impresion that DEV are catering most MMO games now to the pvp crowd.

Am I wrong?

 

Please name one AAA mmo that does not feature PvE as its main content.

You are right AAA MMO's are a safe bet for PVE and lore. Now the real questions will be how long have those AAA MMO's been out also what about the MMO's that are not AAA?

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Isturi

It seems that todays gamers are just for pvp and ganking anymore. It seems that lore and pve has taken a back seat with MMO gaming anymore. Do gamers of today even care about lore or pve or do they perfer to just get the game role a class and go out and try to gank someone for a cheap thrill? I get the impresion that DEV are catering most MMO games now to the pvp crowd.

Am I wrong?

Very wrong. So wrong, that I am really curious what, if anything, your post was based on.

 

My own base for this post is that to me it seems that upcomming MMO's are more geard for PVP instead of PVE that is why I left the question open to as "Am I wrong?" And If I am wrong then so be it. No prob at all.

PvP, done right by a game, is a lot of fun. Ganking, on the other hand, is just a form of griefing, and hardly qualifies as "PvP."

I have honestly always been mystified by those players who derive their pleasure not from playing the game, but rather from ruining the game for others.

Originally posted by Drolkin

So pking someone is a cheap thrill but killing a boss in a raid is not a cheap thrill?

 

Am I getting this right?

Very good question. It seems as mention early in this thread that pve guild and raid runs seem to be more complicated with all the drama and the waiting for all players to get abord and the vent antics from many gm's or for that matter just grief from other players. As to cheap thrills in pvp one player killed or for this matter ganked anouther end of story.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by sakinah

The problem isnt pvp..The problem to me is that today  its all about harassing/ganking/insulting/trolling/greifing...Back in the days ppl would congratulate each other on thier acomplishment.Today they just insult/troll you for every little thing you fail.(Dota/LoL/HoN anyone?) :p

I love pvp in mmo or in any game in general but i really dont like this trend of  "I FKIN OWND YOU BITCH!I FKED YOUR MOM LAST NIGHT!YEAH!!!".

I think its poisonus and is slowly transforming totaly decent players into trolls.

If anything i want more pvp in my mmos but i just dont like the kind of crowd that it brings haha.

 

oh so very true.

I can agree with what sakinah said.  I cant speak for the MOBA's, but I know if you get beyond the casual hurdle, much of that attitude disappears.  Refine your skill to a point where you pass over the crest of the "skill" bell curve (.5 to 1.5 SD) and the crowd suddenly changes.

I can also understand that some just dont have the time for that either.

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Also it's been my experience that most PvP exclusive players are terrible at PvE content in general. We have had to make several cuts from our guild of (mostly) PvP-centric players because they can't stay out of a red circle. So much for PvE takes no skill.

LOL so true.

Originally posted by Azaqin

PvP, done right by a game, is a lot of fun. Ganking, on the other hand, is just a form of griefing, and hardly qualifies as "PvP."

 

I have honestly always been mystified by those players who derive their pleasure not from playing the game, but rather from ruining the game for others.

Be careful now. Most of the players here who are proud claim themselves "PvPers" are just the sort who include ganking as PvP. Same people don't regard those who play e-sports and instanced PvP, even at high skill level, worthy of wearing the badge.

Me? I don't find ganking interesting. It is PvP, sadly you can't' take that away, but it is not proper PvP imo.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by Azaqin

PvP, done right by a game, is a lot of fun. Ganking, on the other hand, is just a form of griefing, and hardly qualifies as "PvP."

 

I have honestly always been mystified by those players who derive their pleasure not from playing the game, but rather from ruining the game for others.

Be careful now. Most of the players here who are proud claim themselves "PvPers" are just the sort who include ganking as PvP. Same people don't regard those who play e-sports and instanced PvP, even at high skill level, worthy of wearing the badge.

Me? I don't find ganking interesting. It is PvP, sadly you can't' take that away, but it is not proper PvP imo.

You are exactly right.

A high level character who goes out of his way to kill a much lower level character is not true pvp.  It is, however, openly admitting you dont have the skill required to hunt those of your same level.  Killing other players who are the same level as you while they pve, that is a great deal of fun and provides a sense of danger while leveling.

That being said, ganking has never really bothered me, I tend to laugh at them.  It is not a proper form of pvp, you are right, but I cant see myself advocating it not be allowed.....just severely punished.

Originally posted by jakojako
there are no mmo's geared towards ganking and pvp

Sevencore, dusk514 just to name a couple.