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  dave6660

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"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

1/29/13 12:04:39 PM#21
Originally posted by Jemcrystal

This is a rant, not mad at the OP.  Good subject OP and not talking to you when I rant.

 

I don't like the way I have been treated in the gaming world but I HATE IT when people police every little thing I say or do.  I will GLADLY take the trolls, immature brats, and fag haters with OPEN ARMS before I let someone legislate my game to death.  Keep POLITICS out of my damn game!  I don't need anyone else telling me what I can and cannot do!!!

 

Control freaks and yard Nazis can go manicure your grass some more and leave gamers alone.  Whether or not the community is broke, gawd, plz don't bring your high and mightyness in to fix it.

You were doing great right up to the part where nazis were mentioned.  Let's keep this problem in context.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  bansan

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Joined: 5/20/10
Posts: 371

1/29/13 12:10:16 PM#22

Because most people aren't that cool.  I'm sure LoL was like that at first, but things always escalate.  With conflict, it either goes down and dissipates, or it escalates.  And suddenly you find them outside your door with a message in a bottle (read, molotov cocktail) and making nice with the family pet.

Players always force the company to step in and prevent any escalations, which usually means silence.

  GoldenArrow

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 1106

1/29/13 12:15:48 PM#23

This topic should be about "quit trying to fix what can't be fixed".

Online community is toxic nowdays and it enhances in situations where you add competitive enviroment with random players, where a single mistake can lose the game.

This combined with zero liability of your actions and the mix ain't too good.

Personally I think anyone who wishes someone to get a cancer and die should get their account removed, all the money they've spent on it lost and getting permabanned from the game altogether.

The problem is that worst that can happend for example in LoL is that you lose your account (after your 15th offense) and you need to create a new one.

I loved the system they have/had in korea where you needed your social security number to create an account and if you got banned you pretty much lost your possiblities to play that game ever again. This is why Korean games have great communities and people won't get hostile for some shitty reason.

If you look for example Korean LoL matches they surrender the game if the opponent played excellent early game just out of respect to their opponent. It's not because they don't have _any_ chance of winning, it's because they bow in honor their opponent who played extremely well and there's no reason to lenghten the game any further.

In western world people have two options.

A) They surrender and rage at their team.

B) They continue the game raging and ranting and forcing it to 60minutes because they want to troll their enemies and rage at their team.

 

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17372

1/29/13 12:21:57 PM#24
Originally posted by bishbosh2

Im not sure what is happening maybe it is the feminisation of gaming/ schools or the whole PC craze but it seems like everyone these days is a huge pussy and gets mad over small things. You can insult me however much you want and I will never get angry or upset. I am sure of who I am and I know my strengths/weaknesses. 

Really, that's the crux of your argument?

These gaming communities are starting to become "Lord of the Flies". Kids without any supervision suddenly going nuts.

Or else one great big explosioin of the Id.

 

  Avarix

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Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 297

1/29/13 12:25:19 PM#25
Originally posted by bishbosh2

i remember back when i used to play wc3 dota you would expect a for there to be insults thrown. lots of people calling other people noob, telling them uninstall, pwned noob, gg noobs etc etc. People still played the game, it was heaps fun. You had too have thick skin to play wc3 dota and if you didnt you would either develop it or quit playing.

I played LoL for since it was released on and off till dota 2 came out. LoL started off a lot like wc3 dota in terms of community but slowly riot started implementing measures to prevent "bad behaviour" because there are people who dont handle being called noob very well. people started getting banned for saying things like "ggnoobs" after winning a match.... come on really? Then riot also turned off all chat by default to discourage people from communicating with the enemy team...

Dota 2 is a lot different from LoL. There is a report function but it seems no one cares. Dota 2 players seem not to care if some one calls them noob or anything. Ive played a game with a guy and were totally having a go at each other for reasons i do not remeber. I happened to be on the same team as the same guy the next game and we played like it never happened. not one single f*** was given. If this had happened in LoL it probably wouldnt of happened because we would have needed a good hour to cooldown and a hug/ big kiss from our mommy to feel better again and not be mad anymore.

Im not sure what is happening maybe it is the feminisation of gaming/ schools or the whole PC craze but it seems like everyone these days is a huge pussy and gets mad over small things. You can insult me however much you want and I will never get angry or upset. I am sure of who I am and I know my strengths/weaknesses. 

If I make a game I will give people a mute function and a block function. If you dont like someone just block and/or mute them. end of story. I dont like the idea of banning someone from my game because they called someone else a noob. I think video games should carry on the same values which have made some countries great ie. freedom of speech.

 

Note: I have never been banned or received a warning from LoL so inb4 umad cos u got banned from LoL

Having someone banned over calling someone else a "noob" is a gross understatement of the problem. It's more like someone saying "Your mother should have swallowed you, go kill yourself!" after making a simple mistake. There has to be some form of responsibility for your actions, which include words. I think it's sad that gamers are under the impression that words don't matter when the whole RPG genre is based on works like J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings". A world created with mere words.

Perhaps if we did like Korea(?) and tied our gaming accounts to our SS numbers, people would realize that they're liable for their behavior. Stop thinking that because you're behind a monitor that you hold no responsibility for what happens after you hit send. If you're that hard up for a place to take out your anger & frustration there are much better activites where others won't be hurt. It's sad that some of these people are fully grown adults and still don't realize that other people's feelings matter.

I'm not saying that everything has to be rainbows and butterflies all the time. Criticism can actually help people improve, it's how you go about it. There is a line that people simply disregard. I hope it's more out of ignorance than a lack of empathy.

  VengeSunsoar

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Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4850

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1/29/13 12:25:45 PM#26
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

This topic should be about "quit trying to fix what can't be fixed".

Online community is toxic nowdays and it enhances in situations where you add competitive enviroment with random players, where a single mistake can lose the game.

This combined with zero liability of your actions and the mix ain't too good.

Personally I think anyone who wishes someone to get a cancer and die should get their account removed, all the money they've spent on it lost and getting permabanned from the game altogether.

The problem is that worst that can happend for example in LoL is that you lose your account (after your 15th offense) and you need to create a new one.

I loved the system they have/had in korea where you needed your social security number to create an account and if you got banned you pretty much lost your possiblities to play that game ever again. This is why Korean games have great communities and people won't get hostile for some shitty reason.

If you look for example Korean LoL matches they surrender the game if the opponent played excellent early game just out of respect to their opponent. It's not because they don't have _any_ chance of winning, it's because they bow in honor their opponent who played extremely well and there's no reason to lenghten the game any further.

In western world people have two options.

A) They surrender and rage at their team.

B) They continue the game raging and ranting and forcing it to 60minutes because they want to troll their enemies and rage at their team.

 

 c) they continue to game and ignore what the others around them are doing.

d) in PvP they continue to play their best and be a good sport about losing.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Derros

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Joined: 2/16/09
Posts: 1019

1/29/13 12:28:01 PM#27
Originally posted by Sovrath

These gaming communities are starting to become "Lord of the Flies". Kids without any supervision suddenly going nuts.

Or else one great big explosioin of the Id.

 

I think thats probably one of the best analogies for online communities these days, that ive seen in a while.

  GoldenArrow

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 1106

1/29/13 12:34:36 PM#28
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

This topic should be about "quit trying to fix what can't be fixed".

Online community is toxic nowdays and it enhances in situations where you add competitive enviroment with random players, where a single mistake can lose the game.

This combined with zero liability of your actions and the mix ain't too good.

Personally I think anyone who wishes someone to get a cancer and die should get their account removed, all the money they've spent on it lost and getting permabanned from the game altogether.

The problem is that worst that can happend for example in LoL is that you lose your account (after your 15th offense) and you need to create a new one.

I loved the system they have/had in korea where you needed your social security number to create an account and if you got banned you pretty much lost your possiblities to play that game ever again. This is why Korean games have great communities and people won't get hostile for some shitty reason.

If you look for example Korean LoL matches they surrender the game if the opponent played excellent early game just out of respect to their opponent. It's not because they don't have _any_ chance of winning, it's because they bow in honor their opponent who played extremely well and there's no reason to lenghten the game any further.

In western world people have two options.

A) They surrender and rage at their team.

B) They continue the game raging and ranting and forcing it to 60minutes because they want to troll their enemies and rage at their team.

 

 c) they continue to game and ignore what the others around them are doing.

d) in PvP they continue to play their best and be a good sport about losing.

Option d) is just you trolling.

This never happends in NA/EU.

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17372

1/29/13 12:36:39 PM#29
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

 c) they continue to game and ignore what the others around them are doing.

d) in PvP they continue to play their best and be a good sport about losing.

Option d) is just you trolling.

This never happends in NA/EU.

Sure it does. It's just those that can't keep it in their pants, ranting and raving, that overshadow it.

  Icewhite

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Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

1/29/13 12:37:53 PM#30

People tend to forget that the 'community' they see is never more than the tiniest fraction of the whole.

I wonder if anyone's ever studied whether forums are just naturally more attractive to certain personailty types...hmm...

The same personality types that favor nettard conversations in the General channel?

Or surly old curmudgeons who favor cane-waving and gitorfmahlawn?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  ragz45

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 482

1/29/13 12:38:24 PM#31
Your kidding right?  Community is fine?  If I ever meet someone in real life that acted like most of these asshats I run into on the internet act, I would knock his block off on the spot.  Community is fine my ass.

  steamtank

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Joined: 7/10/09
Posts: 390

1/29/13 12:46:41 PM#32

Thank you OP

 

I am an avid RP'er. Usually in mmo's the RP community is shit on the hardest even in RP servers because the TOS isn't followed or enforced. You know what we do when an overly asshatish person  shows up... IGNORE THEM.  Getting someone banned just furthers resentment. Turn the other cheek and they get bored and stop trying to ruin rp. Some even reroll just to try it out since we seem like a strange but good group of people.

 

In more competitive aspects........ dear god people needs to man/woman up and not feel so butthurt.  When you play to win and someone fucks up, they DO DESERVE to be told they fucked up. Pressure increases how fast you fix your mistake.  In the raiding world if you fuck up you might not be invited back the next week.  in the pvp world it isnt a damn pillow fight. "I just caused our team to lose... don't make me feel bad!... now im going to report you because i play bad and you made me feel bad!" If someone is screaming at you in chat because you just fucked their shit up... I dont know about you but the last thing I feel is bad. I get a special little happy feeling that someone is so pissed over how well i just roflstomped them that they spend all their time typing obscenities.  If you are being sworn at because you are blowing it for your team and reporting people. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Be better.

 

So you know, to this date I have never been banned from a single game. Nor have I been given a warning in game. I am a rather polite gamer in game. However I reserve my right to tell someone to "go fuck yourself"

 

If you are honestly hurt over the antics of some trolls on the internet you might want to consider not logging on. QQ more and tell me how out of touch and antiquated I am now. /Flameon

  steamtank

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1/29/13 12:47:28 PM#33
Originally posted by ragz45
Your kidding right?  Community is fine?  If I ever meet someone in real life that acted like most of these asshats I run into on the internet act, I would knock his block off on the spot.  Community is fine my ass.

complete bullshit

 

otherwise westboro baptist chuch wouldnt have a tooth amongst them

  GoldenArrow

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1/29/13 12:48:20 PM#34
Originally posted by ragz45
Your kidding right?  Community is fine?  If I ever meet someone in real life that acted like most of these asshats I run into on the internet act, I would knock his block off on the spot.  Community is fine my ass.

Proper beating would solve many problems.

  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

1/29/13 12:49:53 PM#35
Originally posted by ragz45
Your kidding right?  Community is fine?  If I ever meet someone in real life that acted like most of these asshats I run into on the internet act, I would knock his block off on the spot.  Community is fine my ass.

She was a mean old lady, jumping up and own in her high heels on the marble floor of a four-star hotel, and screaming at the top of her lungs at the hapless desk clerk who happened to be present.

You could e-thug on up to her and threaten some block-knockage, but I doubt you could get a word in.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Ghavrigg

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1/29/13 12:53:03 PM#36
People in general these days are pussies. You can't communicate the slightest insult without someone being butthurt and crying for mommy.
  Scottgun

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1/29/13 12:53:55 PM#37
When I was working the forklift at my job, they always use to tell me that no matter how many regulations, safeguards and precautions are out there : "No one is ever going to care more about your own safety than you."  I think that applies here as well in that the devs can certainly step in when there is persistent, severe, and manifest abuse, but primary responsiblity belongs to the player because no one will care more than him. DamonVile is right--people will fan the flames, revel in the drama until they are the target of it, at which point they howl with indignation.

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

  GoldenArrow

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 1106

1/29/13 12:54:27 PM#38
Originally posted by steamtank

Thank you OP

 

I am an avid RP'er. Usually in mmo's the RP community is shit on the hardest even in RP servers because the TOS isn't followed or enforced. You know what we do when an overly asshatish person  shows up... IGNORE THEM.  Getting someone banned just furthers resentment. Turn the other cheek and they get bored and stop trying to ruin rp. Some even reroll just to try it out since we seem like a strange but good group of people.

 

In more competitive aspects........ dear god people needs to man/woman up and not feel so butthurt.  When you play to win and someone fucks up, they DO DESERVE to be told they fucked up. Pressure increases how fast you fix your mistake.  In the raiding world if you fuck up you might not be invited back the next week.  in the pvp world it isnt a damn pillow fight. "I just caused our team to lose... don't make me feel bad!... now im going to report you because i play bad and you made me feel bad!" If someone is screaming at you in chat because you just fucked their shit up... I dont know about you but the last thing I feel is bad. I get a special little happy feeling that someone is so pissed over how well i just roflstomped them that they spend all their time typing obscenities.  If you are being sworn at because you are blowing it for your team and reporting people. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Be better.

 

So you know, to this date I have never been banned from a single game. Nor have I been given a warning in game. I am a rather polite gamer in game. However I reserve my right to tell someone to "go fuck yourself"

 

If you are honestly hurt over the antics of some trolls on the internet you might want to consider not logging on. QQ more and tell me how out of touch and antiquated I am now. /Flameon

The community issues are not with games that allow you to "leave" or "ignore".

Toxicity of the community is only issue with games that randomly bunch up people that have to work together and you get punished for leaving. For example in LoL you get banned for leaving games and you are basically force to play with them derps who tell you to dig a hole and rot to death. Even WoW punishes you for leaving but then again that's only 30minutes.

Maybe the core problem is the game developers forcing random people to play together, disabling the possiblity of actually choosing the people to play with.

I tend to avoid using the ignore command, maybe I should try it more often.

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 580

1/29/13 12:54:29 PM#39
Originally posted by ragz45
Your kidding right?  Community is fine?  If I ever meet someone in real life that acted like most of these asshats I run into on the internet act, I would knock his block off on the spot.  Community is fine my ass.

Threatening acts of violence on the internet while calling for civility on the internet. How interesting and against the Rules of Conduct.

  Icewhite

Made History

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Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

1/29/13 12:54:34 PM#40
Originally posted by Aviggin
People in general these days are pussies. You can't communicate the slightest insult without someone being butthurt and crying for mommy.

Or the cops. They like taking e-thugs off to spend a night in jail, yes they do.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

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