Originally posted by bcbully

Please get rid of tutorials.

 

I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

 

Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

 

/endrant

You simply should understand that you are more experianced then people who might enter a MMO for the first time.

Keep that in mind and just progress to the point the tutorial is over or when possible skip it.

Don't get me wrong I don't like them either, but I do understand why they are placed in a MMORPG.

Regardless what we might have experianced, for a new person entering a MMO for the first time it still can be somewhat overwelming without a little guidens.

Some say they loved Tortage tutorial in AoC, my opinion on that is that I was glad to finaly have left Tortage and finaly stepped into a more open world, simply because I don't play MMORPG's for it's single player campaign which I felt Tortage was. It's not to say I felt Tortage was bad, but it gave a overall false promise about the rest of the game because nothing like Tortage was seen else where after leaving the place.

Originally posted by Drevar
For every person that actually uses their brain to figure out something in an MMORPG, I can show you 200 that will spam global chat asking a question that would have been answered if they had gone through the tutorial.

So true it's not even funny. They could also google it and get at least 3 or 4 websites that would also offer the info they seek...like the OFFICIAL WEBSITE. But they don't usually. =/

I definitely appreciate a clever tutorial/ intro to immerse me in the gameworld.

See LoTRO for an example of what I'm referring to.

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Drevar
For every person that actually uses their brain to figure out something in an MMORPG, I can show you 200 that will spam global chat asking a question that would have been answered if they had gone through the tutorial.

So true it's not even funny. They could also google it and get at least 3 or 4 websites that would also offer the info they seek...like the OFFICIAL WEBSITE. But they don't usually. =/

Often I get the feeling these players were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. The concept of having to take a few seconds to look it up for themselves is absolutely beyond their comprehension.

Heck, simply take a look at a Tech Support forum of any existing game, and on the same page you'll find several threads concerning the exact same issue, and yet if they bothered to look for a second they'd see the answer they're looking for is often found in those "Pinned" threads at the top of the forum conveniently named something along the lines of "(Please Read) Information concerning X".

Mind-boggling. And people wonder why the genre is so dumbed-downed nowadays, the answer is right in front of you.

P.S  RTFM

First time MMO players WILL need a tutorial to get started. So, an optional tutorial is fine.

And, OP, i you dont think new players need one, you have been playing for far too long... :-)

I agree with the OP.

I started off gaming via King's Quest, Police Quest, and Quest for Glory PC series. Tutorial? lol. Never had 'em. Moreover, these games had "type commands" - a much more difficult mechanic than today's point and click. I was able to beat these games as a 5th grader.

Developers think we're idiots. Take a look at Zelda. When Zelda released for the NES, it had no tutorial at all. I remember collecting my firsrt blue coin. I saw that I had 5 more green coins just for picking it up. If you pick up a blue coin in a modern Zelda, you can expect to see a screen pop-up like this:

"Congrats! You have found your first blue coin! A blue coin is worth 5 green coins! With coins, you can purchase items from the store. In order to find a store, push "Start" on your controller and look at the map. If you have enough coins to buy an item, then click on the item you want to buy. If you don't have enough coins, then you will need to get more coins. In order to get more coins, you must either defeat enemies or find them. You can find them by burning bushes, moving rocks, selling goods, or gambling. A green coin is worth 1 coin. A blue coin is worth 5 coins. I red coin is worth 20 coins. A purple coin is worth 50 coins. A diamond coin is worth 100 coins. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."

Wow! Finding something in a Zelda game is like having to click through an entire book.

If there must be a tutorial, there should be an optional link to a tutorial section of the game's website. This in-game "hands-on" crap is just stupid.

Originally posted by bcbully

Please get rid of tutorials.

 

I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

 

Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

 

/endrant

you sound like the normal eve online random :P

first, skip tutorial.

second, ask the shit out of "/general" to answer all questions that tutorial would have answered on doing.

Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by bcbully

Please get rid of tutorials.

 

I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

 

Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

 

/endrant

you sound like the normal eve online random :P

 

first, skip tutorial.

second, ask the shit out of "/general" to answer all questions that tutorial would have answered on doing.

I did that on my first EVE toon >.<

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by bcbully

Please get rid of tutorials.

 

I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game.

 

Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense.

 

/endrant

you sound like the normal eve online random :P

 

first, skip tutorial.

second, ask the shit out of "/general" to answer all questions that tutorial would have answered on doing.

I did that on my first EVE toon >.<

 

EVE tutorial: They show you a giant star map of the Galaxy and an arrow that says "You are here..." you go crazy :)

Dont you check global chat? Most of the questions are retarded like how do I attack? How do I open my bag?

I visualize the average mmo player as a 12 year old child with down syndrome untill they prove otherwise. And so do the developers.