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  FromHell

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1/28/13 9:30:43 AM#41

Sith Assassin was fun, it was the only char I got to 50 and my first character in game.

 

My other three chars (Trooper, IA, Smuggler) are stuck somewhere between 20-26. Lost motivation to go through all the planets again in pretty much the same order.

 

Will continue my Imperial Agent if they add alternative leveling zones like Age of Conan has.

 

e.g. in Age of Conan I can level each alt in another land, Kithai expansion landscapes, Cimmeria, Aquilonia or Stygia.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509070318/aoc/images/8/8b/Hyboria_Map.jpg

 

SWTOR would have to add another 30 planets or so to reach the diversity of AoC.

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  Zorgo

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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

1/28/13 10:01:38 AM#42
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by jpnz

SWTOR stays very true to Star Wars actually.

Which is why it is a good Star Wars story. Whether you like Star Wars story or not is personal preference.

There are huge differences between being true to Star Wars and good story telling.

These were stories, true to Star Wars lore, told badly.

Your statement reads like, 'if you don't like these stories, you don't like star wars' and I  have one response to that;

Do you love star wars stories?

How did you feel about the Phantom Menace?

Sometimes Star Wars stories can be told badly.

Considering the prequels are actual SW stories, yes I liked them.

Course I loved EP4-6 more but I like all SW stories.

If you don't like the prequels, you don't like SW stories since the prequels are actual official SW stories. This isn't rocket science.

Well it isn't rocket science, but it isn't kindergarden either. SW stories can be told badly. SW stories can have poorly written dialogue. SW stories can have actors who do a poor job with poor dialogue. 

The prequels were good sw stories told poorly, just as I believe the SWToR stories were told poorly - 

so no it is not rocket science, but it is at least a university level understanding of literature, language arts, creative writing and film.

It is thoroughly possible to like SW but not like how some of the cannon was portrayed. I know it is possible, because it is how I and many many others feel.

  pioneer08

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1/28/13 10:26:24 AM#43
Originally posted by FromHell

Sith Assassin was fun, it was the only char I got to 50 and my first character in game.

 

My other three chars (Trooper, IA, Smuggler) are stuck somewhere between 20-26. Lost motivation to go through all the planets again in pretty much the same order.

 

Will continue my Imperial Agent if they add alternative leveling zones like Age of Conan has.

 

e.g. in Age of Conan I can level each alt in another land, Kithai expansion landscapes, Cimmeria, Aquilonia or Stygia.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509070318/aoc/images/8/8b/Hyboria_Map.jpg

 

SWTOR would have to add another 30 planets or so to reach the diversity of AoC.

 

AoC has been out for almost 6 yrs. It has what three expansion no kidding it may be more diverse than SWTOR. I also play AoC but as my alternate game. People who complain and compare games that have been out for 6+ yrs with multiple expansions to game brand new game I will never understand. AoC did not have the diversity you speak of over 5 yrs ago fyi.
  DamonVile

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1/28/13 10:31:07 AM#44
Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblad

 Try it! The Agent's widely agreed to be the best storyline in the game!

It does a very good job of conveying the whole "secret agent" feel and has some fun plots.

I hated the agent story and thought it was soo boring. So by the logic in this thread it's bad and should be changed, and it's not me that should just play another class.

  Havekk

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1/28/13 10:40:37 AM#45
Originally posted by Darth-Batman
Originally posted by asmkm22

I thought the Jedi Knight story was pretty good, if not one of the best.  It's a jedi, so I kind of went into it expecting certain things. Also, some of the quests had some truly funny dialogue, especially the dark side stuff.

The stories are one of the few good things about the game, honestly.  But sure, I guess if you're expecting Oscar-winning scripts or something, then you're in for some disappointment. 

Pretty much.

I only played Jedi and I rather enjoyed the stories. I mean, I'm not playing now but it had nothing to do with the stories lol. To each his own I spose. 

  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

1/28/13 10:54:03 AM#46

AoC came out 4.5 years ago. (May 20/23 2008)

SWTOR is now a year old. (13 months)

At some point, saying "SWTOR is new, give it time", is going to start getting old.

Even Vanilla WoW, whitch you alternatively claim had little content on release, to had years to add content conversely, had 12 content patches in its first 17 months of exsistence before it's first paid expansion.

SWTOR has had arguably 2 decent sized content patches in 13 months.

Sorry if I seem a bit grumpy, (it's Monday) but at this point it seems best to hope Makeb releases sooner rather then later, (slated for the amorphous "Spring") and hope between the increased revenue from Cartel and DLC sales, SWTOR's amount of content release improves from it's rather slow pace.

  Ambros123

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1/28/13 10:57:40 AM#47
Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade
Originally posted by Ambros123

The trooper story was what made me play the smuggler for a while.  I loved the story line there at least what I saw.

I'm currently playing a Smuggler, his story and dialogues are very cool indeed.

 

Originally posted by Bossalinie

But it did have C3P0...which original fans refuse to admit he was just as bad as binks

A different breed of idiot.

C3PO is closer to the funny gay butler, compared to the entertainment for five year olds that Jar Jar provides.

Of course they are both bumbling idiots that trip over everything...

Hmmm JarJar.... ugh.  Absolutely love this pic though of JarJar

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/small/1007/and-that-star-wars-jar-jar-stormtrooper-elbow-pwnt-demotivational-poster-1277969749.jpg

... if only the Trooper story was like that.

  Ambros123

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1/28/13 11:03:19 AM#48
Originally posted by pioneer08
Originally posted by FromHell

Sith Assassin was fun, it was the only char I got to 50 and my first character in game.

 

My other three chars (Trooper, IA, Smuggler) are stuck somewhere between 20-26. Lost motivation to go through all the planets again in pretty much the same order.

 

Will continue my Imperial Agent if they add alternative leveling zones like Age of Conan has.

 

e.g. in Age of Conan I can level each alt in another land, Kithai expansion landscapes, Cimmeria, Aquilonia or Stygia.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509070318/aoc/images/8/8b/Hyboria_Map.jpg

 

SWTOR would have to add another 30 planets or so to reach the diversity of AoC.

 

AoC has been out for almost 6 yrs. It has what three expansion no kidding it may be more diverse than SWTOR. I also play AoC but as my alternate game. People who complain and compare games that have been out for 6+ yrs with multiple expansions to game brand new game I will never understand. AoC did not have the diversity you speak of over 5 yrs ago fyi.

Unless they added new lvling zones post launc (doubtful they did) then AoC definately by far had more diversity as you had multiple zones you could chose from to lvl.  One of the biggest criticisization of SWTOR was how the questing zones was so dreadful linear, that there was no real deviation from you questing zone routine... actually think there was absolutely none since you had to follow your story.  Which furthur shows how dreadful linear it was.  The should have had alternate planets you progressed to which should have been based on a branching class story.  But instead they went the ME route and just made a god aweful linear experiance.

  pioneer08

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Joined: 12/18/12
Posts: 119

1/28/13 11:03:27 AM#49
Originally posted by tiefighter25

AoC came out 4.5 years ago. (May 20/23 2008)

SWTOR is now a year old. (13 months)

At some point, saying "SWTOR is new, give it time", is going to start getting old.

Even Vanilla WoW, whitch you alternatively claim had little content on release, to had years to add content conversely, had 12 content patches in its first 17 months of exsistence before it's first paid expansion.

SWTOR has had arguably 2 decent sized content patches in 13 months.

Sorry if I seem a bit grumpy, (it's Monday) but at this point it seems best to hope Makeb releases sooner rather then later, (slated for the amorphous "Spring") and hope between the increased revenue from Cartel and DLC sales, SWTOR's amount of content release improves from it's rather slow pace.

 

Again AoC 4.5 yrs ago was not as diverse at the poster said. I am not saying swtor is new give it time I am saying if you want to compare games compare at or close to the same time frame. Your example of wow vanilla is fine I did not play or follow wow so have no idea if your 12 content patches and swtor "2" are comparable. But right around the corner swtor is releaseing another content patch and than in the spring the expansion.
  Incomparable

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1/28/13 11:14:56 AM#50
I think the stories are fine. I think the problem with trying to enjoy something with prejudgments and expecations is not going for the ride, and trying to steer becuase you are old enough to drive.. The stories are enjoyable and they have their moments, and personally I wish it was handled a bit differently, but its still good story.,

“Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”

  Incomparable

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1/28/13 11:21:31 AM#51
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by jpnz

SWTOR stays very true to Star Wars actually.

Which is why it is a good Star Wars story. Whether you like Star Wars story or not is personal preference.

There are huge differences between being true to Star Wars and good story telling.

These were stories, true to Star Wars lore, told badly.

Your statement reads like, 'if you don't like these stories, you don't like star wars' and I  have one response to that;

Do you love star wars stories?

How did you feel about the Phantom Menace?

Sometimes Star Wars stories can be told badly.

Considering the prequels are actual SW stories, yes I liked them.

Course I loved EP4-6 more but I like all SW stories.

If you don't like the prequels, you don't like SW stories since the prequels are actual official SW stories. This isn't rocket science.

Well it isn't rocket science, but it isn't kindergarden either. SW stories can be told badly. SW stories can have poorly written dialogue. SW stories can have actors who do a poor job with poor dialogue. 

The prequels were good sw stories told poorly, just as I believe the SWToR stories were told poorly - 

so no it is not rocket science, but it is at least a university level understanding of literature, language arts, creative writing and film.

It is thoroughly possible to like SW but not like how some of the cannon was portrayed. I know it is possible, because it is how I and many many others feel.

Its also meant to entertain a large audience. So its not going to use complex wording, which I have no problems enjoying along with complex story which may feel like a puzzle. However, almost anything can feel cliche since its has been done before. The only way to not be cliche is either keep it simple or really go big in some way, which can make the game feel like its directed towards a niche market.

Not to put you in the spot, but if you thought of an outline of an alternative story for the jedi, do you think others would think it is better than the outline of the existing story of the jedi , for example, in swtor?

The point is that people have their own ideas, and dont like storytelling, and rather tell the story or maybe are just accustomed to a specific style of story. So you say others agree with you, but maybe its not so much so the story but a story told in a game that is not enjoyable for you?

So... think about the outline idea, and how it might make you realize that point.

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  FromHell

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1/28/13 12:28:24 PM#52
Originally posted by pioneer08
Originally posted by FromHell

Sith Assassin was fun, it was the only char I got to 50 and my first character in game.My other three chars (Trooper, IA, Smuggler) are stuck somewhere between 20-26. Lost motivation to go through all the planets again in pretty much the same order. Will continue my Imperial Agent if they add alternative leveling zones like Age of Conan has. e.g. in Age of Conan I can level each alt in another land, Kithai expansion landscapes, Cimmeria, Aquilonia or Stygia.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110509070318/aoc/images/8/8b/Hyboria_Map.jpg

SWTOR would have to add another 30 planets or so to reach the diversity of AoC.

 

AoC has been out for almost 6 yrs. It has what three expansion no kidding it may be more diverse than SWTOR. I also play AoC but as my alternate game. People who complain and compare games that have been out for 6+ yrs with multiple expansions to game brand new game I will never understand. AoC did not have the diversity you speak of over 5 yrs ago fyi.

It was diverse enough on launch 4 years ago, each land had 1-80 landscapes.

Then adding the Godslayer Expansion and Khitai, with another 20-40 zone and multiple 40-80 zones. Since then, Turan and Dragonspine. 

But the logical fallacy which gets repeated all the time is "give SWTOR time it´s one year old".

Seriously, a 200 million $ dollar title like TOR needs to compete with games which were launched TODAY, AND titles launched four years or more ago like AoC, not be smaller, less diverse and with less appealing graphics.

Seriously have you seen what AoC  looks like today? There is not one in-engine scene from TOR which can compete with this level of graphics:

set to HD fullscreen for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQRwPuq8Rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF3AqaCQUVA

 

and woohoo, day/night/weather change too since freakin´ 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3uqHZva-w

 

What might happen in 2-3 years from now, no new MMOs will come out because the old ones got so incredibly huge and with lot of mechanics and playfields, no new title could ever be financed -> too risky, too much investment.

And I don´t think we will ever see a Star Wars MMO again, not in the next 10 years until everyone has a virtual reality tablet or some other crazy next-gen tech...

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
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  catlana

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1/28/13 12:47:38 PM#53
Originally posted by Incomparable
I think the stories are fine. I think the problem with trying to enjoy something with prejudgments and expecations is not going for the ride, and trying to steer becuase you are old enough to drive.. The stories are enjoyable and they have their moments, and personally I wish it was handled a bit differently, but its still good story.,

I liked chapter 2 in my Jedi consular's storyline, but one and three were not to my taste. On the other hand, the Imperial Agent storyline has been a blast all the way through (still on Hoth with my IA). Everyone will have likes and dislikes, but I do think that the Jedi stories were played overly "safe". This is a similiar issue to paladins in the "goody two shoes" makes for boring stories but writers are afraid to go against "canon".

  Dreamo84

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1/28/13 1:04:27 PM#54
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Corehaven

The Jedi storyline is known for being bland and pretty bad as far as I know. 

 

Agreed, they were bland in the prequels too.  Which is why I busted out laughing at "Order 66" in the theater.  Ahhhh...good times.  Also hilarious?  When Anakin was burned nearly in half.  It was like watching Justin Beiber catch fire.  If only. 

I almost cried when they issued Order 66 you heartless monster! The pain that Yoda felt...you're cold.

I laughed as well. I thought Yoda told Anakin to rejoice when someone dies, because they're part of the Force now. Then he gets all sad... hypocrite!

I hated the Jedi in the prequels. Just cold and sterile, and so detached from their own emotions that they couldn't even teach Anakin how to properly deal with missing his mother. And we all saw how THAT turned out...

Purging their corrupt, arrogant order from the galaxy was doing civilization a service.

As far as SWTOR goes, I mostly played the Empire side (finished Agent, other classes to about 30). Agent story was really good, and to me shows exactly why the Sith Empire ultimately loses the war. The others showed a lot of promise as well. I did play a trooper to about 40 and found the story to be mostly just okay.

I will agree that most of the planetary storylines were pretty amateurish and predictable, and at times tough to slog through to get to the good bits. A shame, really.

The point was the entire Jedi Order was being murdered. Yoda was feeling that huge disturbance in the force, which was basically the solidification of power to the Dark Side. Not really worth rejoicing over...

 

And what Jedi are you comparing them to in the original trilogy? Obiwan? Who was pretty much exactly the same personality in the original as in the prequels? Yoda? Again, pretty much the same though a bit senile in the original trilogy.

It MUST be the absolutely whiney Luke Skywalker you're referring to.

And actually, it was Anakin Skywalker's EMOTIONS that turned him to the Dark Side. We all saw how that turned out.

The movies weren't perfect, but I think they were very well portrayed. Mace Windu had an emotional moment, Yoda showed fear at times, and sorrow, and care for Chewbacca! Anakin showed too much emotion. I just don't see where the Jedi were sterile. Yes they certainly showed more emotional constraint than Luke Skywalker, but they were more disciplined.

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1/28/13 1:54:41 PM#55

I have played 7 of the class stories all the way through , 2 BH's and seen ( in a group ) the smuggler story. I'm at 41 on one of my smugglers too and one of my Jedi's is at 43. Now if you chose different replies in NPC convos then the dialogue can be very different , especially with light and dark side choices. You may say but the outcome is the same , well that isn't completelly true as you kill or capture certain NPC's and that again changes parts of the story further down the line. The "whole" not liking the jedi's converstions is a little bit hard to understand fully as that is the way jedi's are mostly , very serious and stuck up , maybe you just don't like jedi's in general OP ?

As for SWTOR having 2 content patches , well without sounding too vulgar or rude or insulting , that's a complete load os B******t , it's had 6 major patches , obviousl all the inbetween small patches have been to correct errors etc and a few other small adjustments.

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  jpnz

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1/28/13 2:11:12 PM#56
Originally posted by Zorgo
 

Well it isn't rocket science, but it isn't kindergarden either. SW stories can be told badly. SW stories can have poorly written dialogue. SW stories can have actors who do a poor job with poor dialogue. 

The prequels were good sw stories told poorly, just as I believe the SWToR stories were told poorly - 

so no it is not rocket science, but it is at least a university level understanding of literature, language arts, creative writing and film.

It is thoroughly possible to like SW but not like how some of the cannon was portrayed. I know it is possible, because it is how I and many many others feel.

Like I said, whether a SW story appeals to you personally is another issue.

SWTOR stays very faithful to the SW universe and tells a good SW story.

SIdes, how are you going to write a jedi that isn't 'Luke / Vadar' in a SW story?

KOTOR2 tried and it is an awesome story except it is a really awful SW story.

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1/28/13 3:01:17 PM#57
Originally posted by jpnz
 

Like I said, whether a SW story appeals to you personally is another issue.

SWTOR stays very faithful to the SW universe and tells a good SW story.

SIdes, how are you going to write a jedi that isn't 'Luke / Vadar' in a SW story?

KOTOR2 tried and it is an awesome story except it is a really awful SW story.

 

I agree. Thhe game portrays the jedi exactly as they are in the movies. In the original trilogy the only jedi you saw was Obi Wan and Yoda, two decript old men living in BFE, and Luke who doesn't become one until the end of the final movie. The prequals, for all their falses, fleshed out the entire jedi and showed how they really were, which was basically monks with special abilites. 

I haven't done the Jedi consular , but IMO the jedi knight was one of the best stories in the game. Very well constructed with surprises that you couldn't see coming(one of your companions is the emperor's child) and it all culminates with a showdown between  you and the emperor. Doesn't get any more epic than that.

Far as personality, my jedi had plenty of it. He killed people that really deserved it, boned his companion and was very rebellious. It's not the game's fault that some of you chose to play the jedi boring. 

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  darkhalf357x

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1/28/13 3:08:13 PM#58
Originally posted by Corehaven

The Jedi storyline is known for being bland and pretty bad as far as I know. 

 

Agreed, they were bland in the prequels too.  Which is why I busted out laughing at "Order 66" in the theater.  Ahhhh...good times.  Also hilarious?  When Anakin was burned nearly in half.  It was like watching Justin Beiber catch fire.  If only. 

I thought Jar Jar Binks was the comic relief in the new trilogy?  Though it was bad comedy.

  keithian

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1/28/13 4:08:10 PM#59
I am not playing right now, I'm stuck at level 47 and just have trouble sticking with it due to the static feel of the world..but the story was never my issue as a Jedi Knight. However, when I think about other games, like the cheesy piece of crap story from GW2 made for 12 years olds, when I do venture back to this game I always appreciate the story more. I mean, its like the only game I actually care anything about the story since LOTRO. Rift, WOW, GW2, AOC, Warhammer, AION, etc...the story sucked, you get a dialogue box and ignore it. This is way better than that. Regardless, an opinion is an opinion so I have to respect yours even if you pretty much are negative about 95% of the time.

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1/28/13 6:07:32 PM#60
I am leveling Jedi Knight right now and I think that leveling DS is a lot of fun... though as Empire fan, I try to save all my fellow sith so sometimes I have to be good... sigh. Trying to stay DS on this toon, though I rather pick convos that make sense to me and my character. I am going to level LS JK later on... anyway to see how it feels. So far my absolute favorite is LS IA and LS Sith Warrior, though I also enjoyed very much DS Sith Inquisitor. LS Consular is pretty bland, I am going to check later how DS looks like.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

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