ArcheAge has a Karma system

Getting Karma Points

IF you gank someone his blood will be splattered everywhere(It's kinda gory) and witnesses to the crime can pick up the blood and submit it to a NPC, (just click on it in your inventory) and report it. Every time someone reports this you get 1 Karma point.

Also if you If you decide to steal something from someone else (ie steal someones crops or rob someones house), you will leave behind footprints for each item you steal. (you are given a pop-up window to confirm that you do in fact want to steal their stuff). Players can pick up these footprints and report you for the crime. Again you will get 1 Karma point each time you get reported.

Once you get to 50 Karma points you will be branded an outlaw, and a bounty will be placed on your head. The lucky player who defeats the outlaw gets the bounty and the outlaw will immediately go to jail to await trail. While in Jail you can search for items that may help you escape prison just in case you are found guilty.

The Trial

The Trail consists of 1 Judge and 4 members of the Jury. The Judge is either a player (players can become judges in the game), or a GM will be a judge. The jury is usually random people. The accused can make backroom deals with the jury(like bribing them or get a plea bargain.)

The Judge reads out the accused crimes and then follows what a normal trail would be like in real life. At the end the Judge and the Jury vote (the vote is out of 5). If the accused is found guilty they get sent to the Prison. Jail time is usually 75 mins. or longer depending on how many crimes you committed.

In Prison

You serve your time in a prison cell. If your on good behavior the NPC guards will let you out into the courtyard. You can escape or you can play the mini games in the prison to try and win that Prison costume. If you do escape you will receive a 50% debuff till you served your time. So unless you have friends on the outside, you might be in trouble.

Forgiveness Quests

There are Forgiveness Quests all thought the world. So if one want to get rid of their Karma they can do these, but these quests are long and hard to do.

Becoming a career Pirate/Criminal

If you want to become a criminal/Pirate full time, you need to accumulate 3,000 karma points. Once you do this you can go to Pirate Island and do the quests there. Once you compete them you get a massive buff, and can create a Pirate guild to rule the world.

But it does have some downsides, you will always have a bounty placed on your head. So another player can collect and you automatically go to Prison ( you get no Trail) and you can be in Prison for a long time. NPC's on the other continents will be red and kill you on site. 

And some video's below showing the prison

Here are some videos from the Germans.

Evil Fido has been going around ganking lowbies and stealing from other players. In this video he is stealing Trees from someones Tree farm.

Notice when he steals something he leaves footprints. Anyone can pick those up and take it to a NPC and he will get a Karma Point. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZxH-lOD9Kig

Eventually Evil Fido got a bounty on his head and a player killed him. In this video he is sent to jail to await trail, but the trail came up right away. 

Notice the Judge read him 5 pages worth of crimes. He had no money to bribe the jury so he was voted guilty, and his punishment was 120 mins in Prison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=49sr4HeK2xM

Eventually Evil Fido was let out of his Prison cell and allowed to wander for good behavior, as you can see he wanders around to collect the Prison costume, you can also see a couple of mini games you can play while your in there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5272bVIsjrQ

original post here  http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/100302-ArcheAge/threads/100302-ArcheAge/page9

Only issue I see is there is nothing to prevent corruption and bribery, jury stacking, jury tampering. LOL  In fact that can make it more  fun.

Eventually though, even if you bribe the jury to be found innocent every time, you will accumulate the crime points to be outlawed.

Sound very interesting. Even though I play a good guy. I cant wait for the game to come over to the US. C'mon Trion...Go,go,go!

Erm... 50 of my items can be stolen from my house and the guy can just serve a bit of prison time to work it off? That sounds potentiolly borked... especially as Westerners play these games.

Questions to clarify please...

Is there a time limit on the fingerprints/ bloods to find them and hand them in?

Does the criminal have a visible track of his karma?

Can my stuff be stolen while I am offline?

Are my goods returned to me if the perp is caught? Or is it just the bounty hunter that benefits, while I still get nothing back?

Can the jury be the same guild as the perp?

Does this system only apply to you if you steal/ PK people from your own contenant?

Can you work your karma off, or is the build up to 3000 unstoppable?

Are the bloods/ prints one time pick ups? ie once I collect it does it dissapear from the ground? If so, whats to stop me having 2 accounts... one to steal, the onter to follow me and clear up my evidence?

Can you explain more about the 'massive buff' that outlaws get?

Thanks :)

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many. The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either. Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

Well, yes, but I am also trying to be realistic and not get carried away.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many.

So you are suggesting that is they see I have only stolen 50 trees they won't send me to jail out of the goodness of their hearts?

Not very likely knowing the Western MMO community really... Unless they are bribed with favours and/ or money ofc.

The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

You don't need 5... you need 3?

I also do not see how what you describe here suggests I was over simplefying it... surely the situation you detail can still only end up in one of the three ways I said above?

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either.

But, unless you are ready to just afk for 90mins

Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Going AFK for 90mins for the 'pleasure' of camping someone 50 times, or stealing 50 of their stuff seems quite a small penalty really... If someone wasn't in the mood for a AFK I guess they would stop at 49 karma?

3000 PKs or thefts is a shit ton of freedom for the crimninal... especially if the perp is free to stop at 2999 and 'go straight'.

 

Maybe it will be enough... maybe it won't. There is a lot I want to know about the system before I throw my support behind it though.

I am not looking for an argument about this btw, just an honest discussion.

I am not against it, I can just see some potentiol flaws in it, especially considering what jerks players can be in the West. I would just like more info before getting hyped.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

Well, yes, but I am also trying to be realistic and not get carried away.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many.

So you are suggesting that is they see I have only stolen 50 trees they won't send me to jail out of the goodness of their hearts?

Not very likely knowing the Western MMO community really... Unless they are bribed with favours and/ or money ofc.

The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

You don't need 5... you need 3?

I also do not see how what you describe here suggests I was over simplefying it... surely the situation you detail can still only end up in one of the three ways I said above?

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either.

But, unless you are ready to just afk for 90mins

Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Going AFK for 90mins for the 'pleasure' of camping someone 50 times, or stealing 50 of their stuff seems quite a small penalty really... If someone wasn't in the mood for a AFK I guess they would stop at 49 karma?

3000 PKs or thefts is a shit ton of freedom for the crimninal... especially if the perp is free to stop at 2999 and 'go straight'.

 

Maybe it will be enough... maybe it won't. There is a lot I want to know about the system before I throw my support behind it though.

 

I am not looking for an argument about this btw, just an honest discussion.

I am not against it, I can just see some potentiol flaws in it, especially considering what jerks players can be in the West. I would just like more info before getting hyped.

How can you have an honest discussion when you start out insulting members of the West?  Do you really fall for stereotypes that easily if you are not from the West?  Or is the grass always greener somewhere else?   I'm sure people who live elsewhere are so much more cordial and would never think of having a laugh at someone elses expense ... Mmm hmm...

There *are* some who would like to play "good" and maintain a good reputation amongst our peers who also play.  Rotten apples can come from any tree though, buddy.

Although your points on game mechanics are valid, never-the-less.  I can say though that points can go up fast, like during beta, there was a wedding ceremony and someone bombed the celebrants intentionally :P  Oh snap, the culprit was from the "East".

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

Well, yes, but I am also trying to be realistic and not get carried away.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many.

So you are suggesting that is they see I have only stolen 50 trees they won't send me to jail out of the goodness of their hearts?

Not very likely knowing the Western MMO community really... Unless they are bribed with favours and/ or money ofc.

The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

You don't need 5... you need 3?

I also do not see how what you describe here suggests I was over simplefying it... surely the situation you detail can still only end up in one of the three ways I said above?

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either.

But, unless you are ready to just afk for 90mins

Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Going AFK for 90mins for the 'pleasure' of camping someone 50 times, or stealing 50 of their stuff seems quite a small penalty really... If someone wasn't in the mood for a AFK I guess they would stop at 49 karma?

3000 PKs or thefts is a shit ton of freedom for the crimninal... especially if the perp is free to stop at 2999 and 'go straight'.

 

Maybe it will be enough... maybe it won't. There is a lot I want to know about the system before I throw my support behind it though.

 

I am not looking for an argument about this btw, just an honest discussion.

I am not against it, I can just see some potentiol flaws in it, especially considering what jerks players can be in the West. I would just like more info before getting hyped.

How can you have an honest discussion when you start out insulting members of the West?  Do you really fall for stereotypes... /snip

Stop looking for a fight where there isn't one, it isn't cool to derail like this.

No one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended. Let's move on and get back to the game.

And sorry if you actually get back on track later on in your post, but I tend to tune out when things start as they did with you here and stop reading.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

Well, yes, but I am also trying to be realistic and not get carried away.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many.

So you are suggesting that is they see I have only stolen 50 trees they won't send me to jail out of the goodness of their hearts?

Not very likely knowing the Western MMO community really... Unless they are bribed with favours and/ or money ofc.

The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

You don't need 5... you need 3?

I also do not see how what you describe here suggests I was over simplefying it... surely the situation you detail can still only end up in one of the three ways I said above?

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either.

But, unless you are ready to just afk for 90mins

Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Going AFK for 90mins for the 'pleasure' of camping someone 50 times, or stealing 50 of their stuff seems quite a small penalty really... If someone wasn't in the mood for a AFK I guess they would stop at 49 karma?

3000 PKs or thefts is a shit ton of freedom for the crimninal... especially if the perp is free to stop at 2999 and 'go straight'.

 

Maybe it will be enough... maybe it won't. There is a lot I want to know about the system before I throw my support behind it though.

 

I am not looking for an argument about this btw, just an honest discussion.

I am not against it, I can just see some potentiol flaws in it, especially considering what jerks players can be in the West. I would just like more info before getting hyped.

How can you have an honest discussion when you start out insulting members of the West?  Do you really fall for stereotypes that easily if you are not from the West?  Or is the grass always greener somewhere else?   I'm sure people who live elsewhere are so much more cordial and would never think of having a laugh at someone elses expense ... Mmm hmm...

 

There *are* some who would like to play "good" and maintain a good reputation amongst our peers who also play.  Rotten apples can come from any tree though, buddy.

 

Although your points on game mechanics are valid, never-the-less.  I can say though that points can go up fast, like during beta, there was a wedding ceremony and someone bombed the celebrants intentionally :P  Oh snap, the culprit was from the "East".

Stop looking for a fight where there isn't one, it isn't cool to derail like this.

No one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended. Let's move on and get back to the game.

The earlier post was added to.  Refer to that for discussion.  Also re-read your hate filled post and ask yourself who is derailing.

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Agrias34
This sounds amazing.  If everything plays out well and people actually take their roles seriously instead of just voting yes, you're a criminal etc., this will honestly be so awesome. 

 

Well, the evidence is 100% that you did it, so the choices really come down to...

1. Are you my friend/ in my guild?

2. Can you bribe me?

3. Go to jail.

You're deliberately  trying to simplify it.

Well, yes, but I am also trying to be realistic and not get carried away.

The jury can see your track record, they can tell who you've killed, if you stole trees, who's trees and how many.

So you are suggesting that is they see I have only stolen 50 trees they won't send me to jail out of the goodness of their hearts?

Not very likely knowing the Western MMO community really... Unless they are bribed with favours and/ or money ofc.

The jury are selected at random so the chances of it always being your guild members are slim. 5 jury members are selected, the majority vote wins. So I guess unless you want to bribe all 5 for a lighter sentence go ahead and try but it's unlikely you'll be matched up with 5 individuals who don't want to see a criminal punished especially if you stole from a farmer they know.

You don't need 5... you need 3?

I also do not see how what you describe here suggests I was over simplefying it... surely the situation you detail can still only end up in one of the three ways I said above?

So say they slap you with a 90 minute sentence, that's 90 minutes of not being able to use your skills, you're gimped and it doesn't cooldown while you're logged out either.

But, unless you are ready to just afk for 90mins

Stay in jail or mess about in the world for the duration your choice. Do enough crimes and you'll eventually be outcast to the pirate faction and you'll be fair game for both sides.

I think there's enough to deter people from killing their own faction over and over.

Going AFK for 90mins for the 'pleasure' of camping someone 50 times, or stealing 50 of their stuff seems quite a small penalty really... If someone wasn't in the mood for a AFK I guess they would stop at 49 karma?

3000 PKs or thefts is a shit ton of freedom for the crimninal... especially if the perp is free to stop at 2999 and 'go straight'.

 

Maybe it will be enough... maybe it won't. There is a lot I want to know about the system before I throw my support behind it though.

 

I am not looking for an argument about this btw, just an honest discussion.

I am not against it, I can just see some potentiol flaws in it, especially considering what jerks players can be in the West. I would just like more info before getting hyped.

How can you have an honest discussion when you start out insulting members of the West?  Do you really fall for stereotypes... /snip

Stop looking for a fight where there isn't one, it isn't cool to derail like this.

No one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended. Let's move on and get back to the game.

The earlier post was added to.  Refer to that for discussion.  Also re-read your hate filled post and ask yourself who is derailing.

/sigh... ok buddy. I am moving on now from this conversation with you. Have fun.

This system can be very complex, as politics tend to be. Its NOT as simple as those 3 things that other guy listed. Not even close.

Though they will come into the equation.

Other factors?  Well for starters, the overall behavior of the player on the server. Is he one of those loudmouths trolling general, ducking out on groups, etc? We all know these types.

If so, his reputation will precede him and you can bet that  will sway the jury to some degree.

Another factor could be 'favors'. Is the player a part of a well known guild, one that dominates the server in some aspects? If so,  just like the mob/mafia, they could intimidate the jurors so if they vote guilty, then shit is gonna go down......

Lol, those are just a few.....

Originally posted by SaintWalker44

This system can be very complex, as politics tend to be. Its NOT as simple as those 3 things that other guy listed. Not even close.

Though they will come into the equation.

Are you playing, or have you played?

If so, can you answer the questions I posted please?

Is there a time limit on the fingerprints/ bloods to find them and hand them in?

Does the criminal have a visible track of his karma?

Can my stuff be stolen while I am offline?

Are my goods returned to me if the perp is caught? Or is it just the bounty hunter that benefits, while I still get nothing back?

Can the jury be the same guild as the perp?

Does this system only apply to you if you steal/ PK people from your own continent?

Can you work your karma off, or is the build up to 3000 unstoppable?

Are the bloods/ prints one time pick ups? ie once I collect it does it dissapear from the ground? If so, whats to stop me having 2 accounts... one to steal, the onter to follow me and clear up my evidence?

Can you explain more about the 'massive buff' that outlaws get?

Go to  ARCHAGE SOURCE

Sadly, i havent played the game yet. But people on that site are players and they answer questions all the time. In the event no one answers your question here.

Im curious as well, good questions!

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by SaintWalker44

This system can be very complex, as politics tend to be. Its NOT as simple as those 3 things that other guy listed. Not even close.

Though they will come into the equation.

 

Are you playing, or have you played?

If so, can you answer the questions I posted please?

 

Is there a time limit on the fingerprints/ bloods to find them and hand them in?

Does the criminal have a visible track of his karma?

1- Can my stuff be stolen while I am offline?

2- Are my goods returned to me if the perp is caught? Or is it just the bounty hunter that benefits, while I still get nothing back?

3- Can the jury be the same guild as the perp?

4- Does this system only apply to you if you steal/ PK people from your own continent?

5- Can you work your karma off, or is the build up to 3000 unstoppable?

6- Are the bloods/ prints one time pick ups? ie once I collect it does it dissapear from the ground? If so, whats to stop me having 2 accounts... one to steal, the onter to follow me and clear up my evidence?

Can you explain more about the 'massive buff' that outlaws get?

 

 

 

 

1- You can set access permissions to your house, and the Scarecrows will protect your crop/herd in a radius. Other than that items remain in the world and can be stolen at any time. 

2- No, they are lost. A ship can be hijacked, but returns to the player when they log or unsummon it, they just have to be close enough to unsummon, and any cargo carried will be dumped overboard.

3- Yes, chosen randomly, but can be of your same guild/alliance.

4- Yes, only same faction. What you do on the other continents is their problem, not your. :)

5- There was an atonement quest on the Pirate island in CBT4, I assume it is still there.

6- Accord to one of the OBT streamers they are automatically turned in as you pick them up. No need to turn them in someplace. Most likely for the same reason you mentioned above.

Check out these videos;

Intercepting Trade packs and completing the turnin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHX1yeZ4t20

'Borrowing' someones ship loaded with trade goods and the turnin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uiAZY0utM