Originally posted by Scalpless
It's not about who did them first. It's about who did the right first.

Jury is still out on that. I do not get any more awe inspired feeling from DEs, than I did Rifts or PQs. They all play out roughly the same, and they all share similar technical problems.  I do not feel GW2s take to be all that much different really from the other two versions. Certainly not as different as they should be.

Originally posted by xArsonistx

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by xArsonistx

These dynamic events are the same as go here kill that quest only difference is how they packaged it. I fear for the human race when people blndly let companies repackage old stuff and they call it groundbreaking.

 

Tell you what I have invented dynamic toilet paper it will wipe your ass a different way each time no two times alike lol.

 

Umm ok, How do you suppose to proceed in killing mobs in another way that has never been done before, fart them to death? ohh that won't work It's still same thing you still kill them but It's wraped up in a different package.

I never said I had the ultimate idea. Simply stating that they rebranded quest to make the gullible believe they were getting something new when in fact they get the same thing wrapped in a different package.

 

Its PR ya know you literally can't believe a single word a company or a reviewer says anymore. People have lost all dignity and are easily bought.

Pretty much everything has been done before since the dawn of computer gaming.

Only thing that is left are VR and the holodecks but that's just new tech the core gaming still same as we have today.

Originally posted by Enerzeal

Originally posted by eyelolled

  The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

What is dynamic about this? It's a god damn quest chain! Get me eggs, okay we got eggs, ohh no we're being attacked! Defend from attack - okay go  get more eggs!

Start again.

Do you know what Dynamic means? Is this even for real?

Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress

You just told me exactly what happens in the event, no divergence, no change, absolutely nothing about it was truly dynamic!

The location, the same. The activity, the same. The steps taken to complete the activity, the same!

 

This is what an MMO gamers is happy with these days! No wonder this genre is nose diving.

 

 

In your typical quest chain, the quest giver will always be there, ready to give you your task, tracking your progress along the chain. Go to the lodge any number of times and he will always be there, at the most wandering around. In the particular DE the OP described, you go to the lodge and you will be met with different possible state:

1.) The girl is asking around for help with egg collection

2.) The girl is no longer there, as she is gathering eggs not too far away

3.) The lodge is under attack by Gryphons

4.) Eggs are cooked, and the girl is selling omelettes.

Quest chain or not, scripted or not, repeating or not, you simply CANT say that this is the same experience as a traditional Quest system. This is why we are happy. We are able to appreciate the strive to move away from traditional systems. People like you though, apparently want something you cannot summarize or predict. You're gonna be staying bitter towards the genre for a much longer time, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by xArsonistx

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by xArsonistx

These dynamic events are the same as go here kill that quest only difference is how they packaged it. I fear for the human race when people blndly let companies repackage old stuff and they call it groundbreaking.

 

Tell you what I have invented dynamic toilet paper it will wipe your ass a different way each time no two times alike lol.

 

Umm ok, How do you suppose to proceed in killing mobs in another way that has never been done before, fart them to death? ohh that won't work It's still same thing you still kill them but It's wraped up in a different package.

I never said I had the ultimate idea. Simply stating that they rebranded quest to make the gullible believe they were getting something new when in fact they get the same thing wrapped in a different package.

 

Its PR ya know you literally can't believe a single word a company or a reviewer says anymore. People have lost all dignity and are easily bought.

 

Pretty much everything has been done before since the dawn of computer gaming.

Only thing that is left are VR and the holodecks but that's just new tech the core gaming still same as we have today.

Define "core gaming", because I assume you would be more specific than just simply stating something like "PvE and PvP".

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by xArsonistx

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by xArsonistx

These dynamic events are the same as go here kill that quest only difference is how they packaged it. I fear for the human race when people blndly let companies repackage old stuff and they call it groundbreaking.

 

Tell you what I have invented dynamic toilet paper it will wipe your ass a different way each time no two times alike lol.

 

Umm ok, How do you suppose to proceed in killing mobs in another way that has never been done before, fart them to death? ohh that won't work It's still same thing you still kill them but It's wraped up in a different package.

I never said I had the ultimate idea. Simply stating that they rebranded quest to make the gullible believe they were getting something new when in fact they get the same thing wrapped in a different package.

 

Its PR ya know you literally can't believe a single word a company or a reviewer says anymore. People have lost all dignity and are easily bought.

 

Pretty much everything has been done before since the dawn of computer gaming.

Only thing that is left are VR and the holodecks but that's just new tech the core gaming still same as we have today.

 

Define "core gaming", because I assume you would be more specific than just simply stating something like "PvE and PvP".

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Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by Enerzeal

Originally posted by eyelolled

  The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

What is dynamic about this? It's a god damn quest chain! Get me eggs, okay we got eggs, ohh no we're being attacked! Defend from attack - okay go  get more eggs!

Start again.

Do you know what Dynamic means? Is this even for real?

Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress

You just told me exactly what happens in the event, no divergence, no change, absolutely nothing about it was truly dynamic!

The location, the same. The activity, the same. The steps taken to complete the activity, the same!

 

This is what an MMO gamers is happy with these days! No wonder this genre is nose diving.

 

 

In your typical quest chain, the quest giver will always be there, ready to give you your task, tracking your progress along the chain. Go to the lodge any number of times and he will always be there, at the most wandering around. In the particular DE the OP described, you go to the lodge and you will be met with different possible state:

1.) The girl is asking around for help with egg collection

2.) The girl is no longer there, as she is gathering eggs not too far away

3.) The lodge is under attack by Gryphons

4.) Eggs are cooked, and the girl is selling omelettes.

Quest chain or not, scripted or not, repeating or not, you simply CANT say that this is the same experience as a traditional Quest system. This is why we are happy. We are able to appreciate the strive to move away from traditional systems. People like you though, apparently want something you cannot summarize or predict. You're gonna be staying bitter towards the genre for a much longer time, I'm afraid.

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by Enerzeal

Originally posted by eyelolled

  The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

What is dynamic about this? It's a god damn quest chain! Get me eggs, okay we got eggs, ohh no we're being attacked! Defend from attack - okay go  get more eggs!

Start again.

Do you know what Dynamic means? Is this even for real?

Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress

You just told me exactly what happens in the event, no divergence, no change, absolutely nothing about it was truly dynamic!

The location, the same. The activity, the same. The steps taken to complete the activity, the same!

 

This is what an MMO gamers is happy with these days! No wonder this genre is nose diving.

 

 

In your typical quest chain, the quest giver will always be there, ready to give you your task, tracking your progress along the chain. Go to the lodge any number of times and he will always be there, at the most wandering around. In the particular DE the OP described, you go to the lodge and you will be met with different possible state:

1.) The girl is asking around for help with egg collection

2.) The girl is no longer there, as she is gathering eggs not too far away

3.) The lodge is under attack by Gryphons

4.) Eggs are cooked, and the girl is selling omelettes.

Quest chain or not, scripted or not, repeating or not, you simply CANT say that this is the same experience as a traditional Quest system. This is why we are happy. We are able to appreciate the strive to move away from traditional systems. People like you though, apparently want something you cannot summarize or predict. You're gonna be staying bitter towards the genre for a much longer time, I'm afraid.

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

Really this is getting out of hand, can't you hear yourself how this sounds really dumb when you wrote it?

Of course It's all about kill shit, gather shit, crafting shit, pick shit, protect shit.....what else is there to do in a game in any game???????

I take it you have ideas how to make features that no one ever had in their wildest dreams right, It sounds like it with your respons.

Seems to be some emotional investment in "winning" this argument.

Oh, it's Saturday, of course. Hey, look over there; Redskins vs Cowboys!

Originally posted by Torgrim

Really this is getting out of hand, can't you hear yourself how this sounds really dumb when you wrote it?

Of course It's all about kill shit, gather shit, crafting shit, pick shit, protect shit.....what else is there to do in a game in any game???????

I take it you have ideas how to make features that no one ever had in their wildest dreams right, It sounds like it with your respons.

When you feel the need to start your post with a pointless insult, you've already well and truly lost.

That aside, the whole point of something being "revolutionary" is that it has found a way to do something new, and not just rested on the "what else is there to do?" argument.

PQs were revolutionary, a concept that worked (sorta, I ran into more than my fair share that couldn't be finished due to bugging or lack of population, but whatever) and added something completely new to the MMO formula.

Rifts, adding the notion of invasions and zone events, were an evolution of that basic concept.

DEs, like Champion's version (albeit Cryptic never tried to make a big deal of them), being nothing really more than a renaming of PQs, are neither revolutionary nor evolutionary.

And that, of course, is where the argument is -- for reasons that wholly escape me, some argue that DEs are somehow something new and not simply a near copy-and-paste of PQs. I've yet to see anyone articulate a good reason for this belief.

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by Enerzeal

Originally posted by eyelolled

  The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

What is dynamic about this? It's a god damn quest chain! Get me eggs, okay we got eggs, ohh no we're being attacked! Defend from attack - okay go  get more eggs!

Start again.

Do you know what Dynamic means? Is this even for real?

Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress

You just told me exactly what happens in the event, no divergence, no change, absolutely nothing about it was truly dynamic!

The location, the same. The activity, the same. The steps taken to complete the activity, the same!

 

This is what an MMO gamers is happy with these days! No wonder this genre is nose diving.

 

 

In your typical quest chain, the quest giver will always be there, ready to give you your task, tracking your progress along the chain. Go to the lodge any number of times and he will always be there, at the most wandering around. In the particular DE the OP described, you go to the lodge and you will be met with different possible state:

1.) The girl is asking around for help with egg collection

2.) The girl is no longer there, as she is gathering eggs not too far away

3.) The lodge is under attack by Gryphons

4.) Eggs are cooked, and the girl is selling omelettes.

Quest chain or not, scripted or not, repeating or not, you simply CANT say that this is the same experience as a traditional Quest system. This is why we are happy. We are able to appreciate the strive to move away from traditional systems. People like you though, apparently want something you cannot summarize or predict. You're gonna be staying bitter towards the genre for a much longer time, I'm afraid.

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

 

Really this is getting out of hand, can't you hear yourself how this sounds really dumb when you wrote it?

Of course It's all about kill shit, gather shit, crafting shit, pick shit, protect shit.....what else is there to do in a game in any game???????

I take it you have ideas how to make features that no one ever had in their wildest dreams right, It sounds like it with your respons.

But it is the manner in which it is delivered that matters.  By your argument you may as well subsist on gruel because it keeps you alive.  

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by Torgrim

Really this is getting out of hand, can't you hear yourself how this sounds really dumb when you wrote it?

Of course It's all about kill shit, gather shit, crafting shit, pick shit, protect shit.....what else is there to do in a game in any game???????

I take it you have ideas how to make features that no one ever had in their wildest dreams right, It sounds like it with your respons.

When you feel the need to start your post with a pointless insult, you've already well and truly lost.

That aside, the whole point of something being "revolutionary" is that it has found a way to do something new, and not just rested on the "what else is there to do?" argument.

PQs were revolutionary, a concept that worked (sorta, I ran into more than my fair share that couldn't be finished due to bugging or lack of population, but whatever) and added something completely new to the MMO formula.

Rifts, adding the notion of invasions and zone events, were an evolution of that basic concept.

DEs, like Champion's version (albeit Cryptic never tried to make a big deal of them), being nothing really more than a renaming of PQs, are neither revolutionary nor evolutionary.

And that, of course, is where the argument is -- for reasons that wholly escape me, some argue that DEs are somehow something new and not simply a near copy-and-paste of PQs. I've yet to see anyone articulate a good reason for this belief.

Read what he wrote then you understand.

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by Torgrim

Really this is getting out of hand, can't you hear yourself how this sounds really dumb when you wrote it?

Of course It's all about kill shit, gather shit, crafting shit, pick shit, protect shit.....what else is there to do in a game in any game???????

I take it you have ideas how to make features that no one ever had in their wildest dreams right, It sounds like it with your respons.

When you feel the need to start your post with a pointless insult, you've already well and truly lost.

That aside, the whole point of something being "revolutionary" is that it has found a way to do something new, and not just rested on the "what else is there to do?" argument.

PQs were revolutionary, a concept that worked (sorta, I ran into more than my fair share that couldn't be finished due to bugging or lack of population, but whatever) and added something completely new to the MMO formula.

Rifts, adding the notion of invasions and zone events, were an evolution of that basic concept.

DEs, like Champion's version (albeit Cryptic never tried to make a big deal of them), being nothing really more than a renaming of PQs, are neither revolutionary nor evolutionary.

And that, of course, is where the argument is -- for reasons that wholly escape me, some argue that DEs are somehow something new and not simply a near copy-and-paste of PQs. I've yet to see anyone articulate a good reason for this belief.

 

Read what he wrote then you understand.

I think you might be waiting a while longer.  

Originally posted by Latronus

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

If you simplify it, than absolutely it is the exact same thing that we've been doing for years. And you have the right to look at things however you want.

I however, would rather not be simple. I would rather look at all the variable and points AND how they work together.

Imagine this. Two people go hunting. The first person comes home and tells his wife "When I went out this morning, it was cold, and the wind was blowing from the north. I knew that I wouldn't be able to circle around and approach from the south, so for tonight, we are going to have to live with rabbit stew and I'll try for big game again tomorrow."

The second person comes home and tells his wife "Mog kill bunny, you cook"

Those two situations sound completely different to me, even though the end result might be the same, but thats because I'm choosing to NOT be simple.

Originally posted by Myria

When you feel the need to start your post with a pointless insult, you've already well and truly lost.

Learn to read everything (and understand it) before answering - you will feel less embarassed because you will avoid posting nonsense like this.

for reasons that wholly escape me, some argue that DEs are somehow something new and not simply a near copy-and-paste of PQs.

If you think DEs in GW2 are copy/paste of PQs in WAR, if that's really what we are talking about here, then sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Either you're a WAR fanboi (does that kind even exist anymore?) or you didn't play GW2 enough to understand what DEs are all about. But what's sure, is that what you serve us here is a big slimy plate of nonsense.

If anything, GW2's DEs are as similar to WAR's PQs than a Bugatti Veyron is similar to a cart pulled by two oxes. And for Rift's "rifts", just replace the oxes with horses. Many vehicles through the ages shared some common elements, like round wheels, a way to make the vehicle move forwards, and a way to steer the vehicle. Does that mean they are all the same? Same thing goes for concepts in video games. Or we may as well pretend that DEs are "copy and paste" of Pong because both happen on a screen.

Originally posted by eyelolled

I keep hearing people talking about Dynamic Events and how they are just like Rift's rifts, or Warhammer's PQ's, but I don't see the similarity at all.   The DE's in GW2 are extremely revolutionary.   Rifts just seem to be random occurances of mobs all over the map, and that doesn't sound revolutionary at all, nothing like GW2 Dynamic Events.

 

Now I know that there are all sorts of people going to tell me how wrong I am. I've seen how people react to words, and especially words that might show GW2 in a positive light.  And I'm sure that none of them actually care if  nobody says anything, but they sure care if someone says that they like the game. It's just a negative world for many people, and they  feel compelled to "keep the optimism in check"

 

 The DE's in GW2 are very revolutionary. Take for example, one of the norn Dynamic Events in the starting area.  It starts off with a norn woman wanting to collect wyrm eggs for food. Now she asks everyone in the area to help by retrieving as many wyrm eggs as possible, and she will use the eggs to make some food for everyone. Needless to say, she needs a lot of eggs, and the more people that take part, means she will need even more eggs. Once she has enough, she will say so and then give people a chance to bring the last of the eggs they've collected to her.  Yeah, thats right, she doesn't just stop and leave, she gives everyone a chance to participate even though she's reached her quota.

 

Then she goes back to the lodge to prepare a wondrous meal for everyone, but the scent of the eggs attracts wyrms to the lodge! Yes, this is a lodge with NPC vendors and everything, and everybody has to help fend off the wyrm attack! The attack almost seems endless as wave after wave of wyrms attack the lodge. The bodies of wyrms, and norn litter the ground in front of the lodge.  And once the assault is finally over, the eggs are ruined and the woman has to admit that it might not have been such a good idea to collect all those eggs. Another norn comments that the fight was magnificent (LOL! That is sooo norn) and before long the woman decides to go collect more eggs, and the event has gone through it's full revolution. Full circle, so to speak.

 

That is why I say that GW2 Dynamic Events are revolutionary, but what I'm really looking forward to is when they become evolutionary. When an event chain matures to not always come back to the exact same point. Maybe it will still have the potential to return to it's original point, but I would like to see multiple return points to start off from, as well as multiple outcomes. 

 

I can't wait to see where the genre moves to next.

 

 Cool that you like gw2, comparing gw2 and rift I will not comment but I played rif for about 4 weeks before canceled account gw2 did last for 10 days. This is my personal experience from those two games.

Originally posted by Vidir

 

 Cool that you like gw2, comparing gw2 and rift I will not comment but I played rif for about 4 weeks before canceled account gw2 did last for 10 days. This is my personal experience from those two games.

Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Latronus

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

If you simplify it, than absolutely it is the exact same thing that we've been doing for years. And you have the right to look at things however you want.

I however, would rather not be simple. I would rather look at all the variable and points AND how they work together.

 

Imagine this. Two people go hunting. The first person comes home and tells his wife "When I went out this morning, it was cold, and the wind was blowing from the north. I knew that I wouldn't be able to circle around and approach from the south, so for tonight, we are going to have to live with rabbit stew and I'll try for big game again tomorrow."

 

The second person comes home and tells his wife "Mog kill bunny, you cook"

 

Those two situations sound completely different to me, even though the end result might be the same, but thats because I'm choosing to NOT be simple.

 

 

To be honest, I think GW2 has the "simple" version of quests.  I think they somehow managed to further casualize trivialize and dumb down the whole process.

In GW2 there isn't any need to know where to go, who to return to, or what you're really doing.  It really amounts to wandering aimlessly and seeing a bunch of people zerging something, and then pressing buttons until a bar fills and the game hands you a gold star just like the rest of the class.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Latronus

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly the same crap we've been doing for years.  Just you and the fanbois like you are too blinded to the fact that all these DEs are is re-skinned kill, gather, protect, and escort quests just shows how far the community has degenerated into a bunch of easily fooled lemmings.  The big difference is there isn't a "?" Over the quest givers head, but it has been replaced by a bigass circle when the DE is active.   Oooooh, so revolutionary.  They are nothing but the traditional quest system, you are just too blinded  to see it.

The only revolutionary thing about them is they have fooled the suckers into believing they are revolutionary.  

If you simplify it, than absolutely it is the exact same thing that we've been doing for years. And you have the right to look at things however you want.

I however, would rather not be simple. I would rather look at all the variable and points AND how they work together.

 

Imagine this. Two people go hunting. The first person comes home and tells his wife "When I went out this morning, it was cold, and the wind was blowing from the north. I knew that I wouldn't be able to circle around and approach from the south, so for tonight, we are going to have to live with rabbit stew and I'll try for big game again tomorrow."

 

The second person comes home and tells his wife "Mog kill bunny, you cook"

 

Those two situations sound completely different to me, even though the end result might be the same, but thats because I'm choosing to NOT be simple.

 

 

To be honest, I think GW2 has the "simple" version of quests.  I think they somehow managed to further casualize trivialize and dumb down the whole process.

In GW2 there isn't any need to know where to go, who to return to, or what you're really doing.  It really amounts to wandering aimlessly and seeing a bunch of people zerging something, and then pressing buttons until a bar fills and the game hands you a gold star just like the rest of the class.

I agree. It is an oversimplification (as with much of the game) that just makes it incredibly dull to play.  It looks pretty though, I'll give it that.  

Originally posted by kadepsyson

 

To be honest, I think GW2 has the "simple" version of quests.  I think they somehow managed to further casualize trivialize and dumb down the whole process.

In GW2 there isn't any need to know where to go, who to return to, or what you're really doing.  It really amounts to wandering aimlessly and seeing a bunch of people zerging something, and then pressing buttons until a bar fills and the game hands you a gold star just like the rest of the class.

honestly sounds like you didnt put much effort into the game or tried since launch or a month in.. for example i could play through most any MMO with static quest givers and not read any of the text or pay attention just got from point A to point B and level.. but doing so I would miss out on the lore the stories and everything that is going on.. just like in GW2 you could play without paying attention "hearing" and following the stories of the DE's but you are not required to. Game lets you play how you want but people who pay little more attention will get more out of the game then those that don't.. but this like I said above isn't GW2 specific it goes for most MMOs.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by kadepsyson

 

To be honest, I think GW2 has the "simple" version of quests.  I think they somehow managed to further casualize trivialize and dumb down the whole process.

In GW2 there isn't any need to know where to go, who to return to, or what you're really doing.  It really amounts to wandering aimlessly and seeing a bunch of people zerging something, and then pressing buttons until a bar fills and the game hands you a gold star just like the rest of the class.

honestly sounds like you didnt put much effort into the game or tried since launch or a month in.. for example i could play through most any MMO with static quest givers and not read any of the text or pay attention just got from point A to point B and level.. but doing so I would miss out on the lore the stories and everything that is going on.. just like in GW2 you could play without paying attention "hearing" and following the stories of the DE's but you are not required to. Game lets you play how you want but people who pay little more attention will get more out of the game then those that don't.. but this like I said above isn't GW2 specific it goes for most MMOs.

The Secret World has static quest givers, I'm not sure how many people can GW2 their way through investigation missions though.

Just a counterexample ;)