Originally posted by gaou

Originally posted by PWN_FACE

Originally posted by jdlamson75

I played Darkfall on and off for 4 years, and was, at best, cannon fodder.  But I loved it.

 

I played Unholy Wars from the beginning of beta til about 4 days ago, and have no plans on playing again.  I know a lot of folks who feel this way, and it makes me sad.

Same for me.

 

Why is that though? 

 

It's like I don't even have the energy or desire to analyze it that much now. 

 

On the bright side, I live where I might still be able to play the old Darkfall when it goes FTP here. Is that possible or is it something I just imagined? 

 

Who cares. ArcheAge is coming out and Trion is publishing. I think that's good news. I'm over DF now.

Didnt they shut DF 1 down for DF: UW?  because if so, i wouldnt think they would bring it back ftp or otherwise.  havent followed too closely though, so sorry if im mistaken and its still running

DF1 is not running. But there was some talk (somewhere in the mess of the old official forums  and/or the official blog, from Tasos himself, that DFUW would be the new game for NA and EU and that they were going to create an f2p version of DF1 for the Asian market with their Korean partners. 

Of course, that could be cool for me since I live in Asia with the ping and all, but at the same time, f2p pvp is kind of sketchy. Also, who knows when and if that will ever happen considering what's going on with DFUW. The only way I see it done is if the Korean partner already has the game (DF1) as part of the deal for the financial backing of DFUW, and they are refitting it for f2p. I just hope it's not p2w... 

Originally posted by PWN_FACE

Of course, that could be cool for me since I live in Asia with the ping and all, but at the same time, f2p pvp is kind of sketchy. Also, who knows when and if that will ever happen considering what's going on with DFUW. The only way I see it done is if the Korean partner already has the game (DF1) as part of the deal for the financial backing of DFUW, and they are refitting it for f2p. I just hope it's not p2w... 

They won't launch old (DF 1) as F2P - it will be the new one (DF:UW).

No matter how old players praise DF 1 - it wouldn't have any appeal to F2P audience - it doesn't look great and is needlessly complicated.

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

Other games, such as Age of Wushu, come very close and perhaps rise above features in DFUW but without full loot its a moot point. Full loot is what drives 90% of the game population. 

I wouldn't really call it a failure until it actually launches and these forums are STILL dead, and I vaguely recall seeing the same type of disappointment and lull in acitivity in the first DFO beta right up until launch.

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

 

Other games, such as Age of Wushu, come very close and perhaps rise above features in DFUW but without full loot its a moot point. Full loot is what drives 90% of the game population. 

 

I wouldn't really call it a failure until it actually launches and these forums are STILL dead, and I vaguely recall seeing the same type of disappointment and lull in acitivity in the first DFO beta right up until launch.

What drives the tenth player then?

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

 

Other games, such as Age of Wushu, come very close and perhaps rise above features in DFUW but without full loot its a moot point. Full loot is what drives 90% of the game population. 

 

I wouldn't really call it a failure until it actually launches and these forums are STILL dead, and I vaguely recall seeing the same type of disappointment and lull in acitivity in the first DFO beta right up until launch.

I 100% agree. As bad as AV is handling DFUW (which isn't as bad as people say), you still have to judge the ENTIRE package. You can't say yeah they create a game that sounds good on paper and is completely what I want in a game, BUT they suck with communication etc. You have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Also, it's important to note that they are constantly saying that they will fix things that players don't like. They're always like "we think this is good, but we're open to change things as necessary." Almost all of the rage from this immature spastic community is based on the assumption that they're... what? not working hard enough? The forums look like this: A ton of kids making posts about things they don't want in the game, and then whenever AV releases patch notes, it's those same kids saying "OMG THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIXED ___" 

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

What? You know the beta is out? And I've played it? Not to mention darkfall 1... You're not making any sense. We're talking about AV and the games they make. 

How exactly can you say Embers if better if it's not even CLOSE to being out? There's like what 1 dungeon test concept video?

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

What? You know the beta is out? And I've played it? Not to mention darkfall 1... You're not making any sense. We're talking about AV and the games they make. 

How exactly can you say Embers if better if it's not even CLOSE to being out? There's like what 1 dungeon test concept video?

I'm going off the proposed features - since neither game is released, or has an exact release date.

You know the beta came after two seperate months of AV saying the game was release ready and a blatant lie about Steam?

I'm simply noting that it is possible for Embers to come out before Darkfall UW sees a release.  Even if UW comes out first, the chances of it having anywhere close to the features of Embers, or even having a positive, fun, bug free experience is extremely slim - and I'm basing that simply on Aventurines past games :)

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

What? You know the beta is out? And I've played it? Not to mention darkfall 1... You're not making any sense. We're talking about AV and the games they make. 

How exactly can you say Embers if better if it's not even CLOSE to being out? There's like what 1 dungeon test concept video?

I'm going off the proposed features - since neither game is released, or has an exact release date.

You know the beta came after two seperate months of AV saying the game was release ready and a blatant lie about Steam?

I'm simply noting that it is possible for Embers to come out before Darkfall UW sees a release.  Even if UW comes out first, the chances of it having anywhere close to the features of Embers, or even having a positive, fun, bug free experience is extremely slim - and I'm basing that simply on Aventurines past games :)

LMAO. You're not a reasonable human being if you think it's at all plausible that Embers will come out before DFUW. And yes I know that they delayed the release at least twice before they finally gave up and released a beta. How does that change the here and now? See this is one of the problems with people like you: you get so damn caught up in what you think you're owed or what you expect that you can't look at things objectively. 

I will like to point out (again) how funny it is that you're SO SURE that Embers is gonna be this perfect game all the while you're talking about how much darkfall sucks. Were you around ~5 years ago when Darkfall was gonna be THE game to end all games? Everything about it was going to be downright incredible and it was going to be UO/Shadowbane incarnate. Much like how you're treating Embers now.

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

What? You know the beta is out? And I've played it? Not to mention darkfall 1... You're not making any sense. We're talking about AV and the games they make. 

How exactly can you say Embers if better if it's not even CLOSE to being out? There's like what 1 dungeon test concept video?

I'm going off the proposed features - since neither game is released, or has an exact release date.

You know the beta came after two seperate months of AV saying the game was release ready and a blatant lie about Steam?

I'm simply noting that it is possible for Embers to come out before Darkfall UW sees a release.  Even if UW comes out first, the chances of it having anywhere close to the features of Embers, or even having a positive, fun, bug free experience is extremely slim - and I'm basing that simply on Aventurines past games :)

LMAO. You're not a reasonable human being if you think it's at all plausible that Embers will come out before DFUW. And yes I know that they delayed the release at least twice before they finally gave up and released a beta. How does that change the here and now? See this is one of the problems with people like you: you get so damn caught up in what you think you're owed or what you expect that you can't look at things objectively. 

I will like to point out (again) how funny it is that you're SO SURE that Embers is gonna be this perfect game all the while you're talking about how much darkfall sucks. Were you around ~5 years ago when Darkfall was gonna be THE game to end all games? Everything about it was going to be downright incredible and it was going to be UO/Shadowbane incarnate. Much like how you're treating Embers now.

Actually I'm treating Embers as a better proposed list of features with the same ones that Darkfall fans look for.  That's all.

To be fair, I don't really think Embers will come out before DFUW.  If that were close to teh case, I'd actually think it'd simply be Embers is coming out, but Darkfall UW....

I was around for Darkfall.  I remember hearing about Darkfall 2.0 after that, then 2010, then UW, and now NGE.

I'm not treating Embers as some perfect MMO.  I didn't even kickstart it as I did other games.  I'm simply saying that it would be extremely difficult to be worse than Darkfall Unholy Wars.

Here is a question for you though: Why do you thnk Aventurine was so sure it was release ready that they mentioned that two different months, and put off changing to beta until the very last minute?

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

If you drop the "pre" from pre ordering, Mortal Online makes Darkfall no longer the "only" one.

A FPS doesn't have over the shoulder POV.

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

 

If you drop the "pre" from pre ordering, Mortal Online makes Darkfall no longer the "only" one.

A FPS doesn't have over the shoulder POV.

 

The funny part to me, is how DarkfallFanatic doesn't even know what year it is.  Might be a side effect of waiting for Darkfall 2010 so long ;)

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by JeremyBowyerYou have to give credit where credit is due. They're the only ones creating a full loot, massive pvp conquest, fps game.

Well you almost had a good point.

Sadly though, this is just not true.

There is another full loot massive pvp conquest with FIrst Person view, among a massive amount of far more innovative and impressive features, MMORPG being created.

It is called Embers of Caerus.

There are other, better, options coming.  There's no real need to get suckered and support incompetent devs

Look through the features in the link, and you'll see a staggering difference in what is being attempted by both companies.

Aventurine had their chance to do it right, and had to shut down Darkfall.  Why give them another chance on a worse version, when other devs are creating better games?

Because like I said.... they're the only game in town. when does Embers come out......? Like 2015 or something?

There seems to be a big influx of sandbox hardcore mmo's coming out and that's GREAT. But they're not out yet and they can't be judged. You can't say that better options are coming until they're here because a big part of the darkfall hate is the hype/promises that they didn't live up to. I'm not sure why you think embers is immune to this.

Remind me again when Darkfall 2010 was released?

Or is there even a release date for it at all at this point?

What? You know the beta is out? And I've played it? Not to mention darkfall 1... You're not making any sense. We're talking about AV and the games they make. 

How exactly can you say Embers if better if it's not even CLOSE to being out? There's like what 1 dungeon test concept video?

I'm going off the proposed features - since neither game is released, or has an exact release date.

You know the beta came after two seperate months of AV saying the game was release ready and a blatant lie about Steam?

I'm simply noting that it is possible for Embers to come out before Darkfall UW sees a release.  Even if UW comes out first, the chances of it having anywhere close to the features of Embers, or even having a positive, fun, bug free experience is extremely slim - and I'm basing that simply on Aventurines past games :)

LMAO. You're not a reasonable human being if you think it's at all plausible that Embers will come out before DFUW. And yes I know that they delayed the release at least twice before they finally gave up and released a beta. How does that change the here and now? See this is one of the problems with people like you: you get so damn caught up in what you think you're owed or what you expect that you can't look at things objectively. 

I will like to point out (again) how funny it is that you're SO SURE that Embers is gonna be this perfect game all the while you're talking about how much darkfall sucks. Were you around ~5 years ago when Darkfall was gonna be THE game to end all games? Everything about it was going to be downright incredible and it was going to be UO/Shadowbane incarnate. Much like how you're treating Embers now.

Actually I'm treating Embers as a better proposed list of features with the same ones that Darkfall fans look for.  That's all.

To be fair, I don't really think Embers will come out before DFUW.  If that were close to teh case, I'd actually think it'd simply be Embers is coming out, but Darkfall UW....

I was around for Darkfall.  I remember hearing about Darkfall 2.0 after that, then 2010, then UW, and now NGE.

I'm not treating Embers as some perfect MMO.  I didn't even kickstart it as I did other games.  I'm simply saying that it would be extremely difficult to be worse than Darkfall Unholy Wars.

 

Here is a question for you though: Why do you thnk Aventurine was so sure it was release ready that they mentioned that two different months, and put off changing to beta until the very last minute?

You're not just comparing the stated list of features. You used Embers as a counter argument to me saying they're the only guys doing it. And the fact is that you can't use a game that not only isn't OUT, it doesn't even have GAMEPLAY footage to make the point that they're some kind of alternative to Darkfall... they're not.

To your question: I think they vastly overstated how ready the game was and I think it's because they're BAD with communication and I also think it's because of how viciously entitled their community seems to be. They were constantly attacked for delaying "darkfall 2010" (in fact you've referenced it deliberately a couple times just in the past few posts...) and so they're extremely pressured to get it out.

But quite frankly I don't give a damn about your loaded question. Because I'm not saying anything they've done is ok. I'm saying that after all is said and done it's the only viable large scale pvp conquest fps game. They've also done more for the hardcore pvp mmo community than any game since UO/Shadowbane. PERIOD. Yes they've done things wrong along the way, but I choose not to take it as personally as all of you guys do. I wouldn't care if they did flat out lie about anything, they're a damn game developer and I'm a consumer. If they give me a product that I think is worth 14.99/mo or whatever it is, I'm gonna play it.  

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

 

If you drop the "pre" from pre ordering, Mortal Online makes Darkfall no longer the "only" one.

A FPS doesn't have over the shoulder POV.

 

The funny part to me, is how DarkfallFanatic doesn't even know what year it is.  Might be a side effect of waiting for Darkfall 2010 so long ;)

Picking on a guy for a typo? I really wouldn't expect anything else from you at this point. You're nothing more than a typical, angry, snide, entitled forum dweller. How sad it must be to spend so much of your time talking about a game/company you hate.

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

You're not just comparing the stated list of features. You used Embers as a counter argument to me saying they're the only guys doing it. And the fact is that you can't use a game that not only isn't OUT, it doesn't even have GAMEPLAY footage to make the point that they're some kind of alternative to Darkfall... they're not.

To your question: I think they vastly overstated how ready the game was and I think it's because they're BAD with communication and I also think it's because of how viciously entitled their community seems to be. They were constantly attacked for delaying "darkfall 2010" (in fact you've referenced it deliberately a couple times just in the past few posts...) and so they're extremely pressured to get it out.

But quite frankly I don't give a damn about your loaded question. Because I'm not saying anything they've done is ok. I'm saying that after all is said and done it's the only viable large scale pvp conquest fps game. They've also done more for the hardcore pvp mmo community than any game since UO/Shadowbane. PERIOD. Yes they've done things wrong along the way, but I choose not to take it as personally as all of you guys do. I wouldn't care if they did flat out lie about anything, they're a damn game developer and I'm a consumer. If they give me a product that I think is worth 14.99/mo or whatever it is, I'm gonna play it.  

The word was creating.  You said Aventurine were the only ones creating such a game.

My counter example was perfect then in that regards - because it is a game from another company that hits all the features you mentioned, and is being created.  In other words, it neatly disproved your statement.

The merits of either game weren't important at that point, it was simply a perfect example to show that your statement was incorrect.

I do feel that Aventurine should be very relieved that Embers and other similar games are not out yet.  If any one of them has the features of Darkfall but is released and a solid exprience, or worse if an Embers style list of features made it into a released game, Aventurine would fold.  The fans are already drifting away, the lack of a released solid compeitor is a huge boon for Aventurine to buy more time with.

In general, if someone is bad at communicating, I would expect them to not be able to get across what they want to say very well.  In Aventurine's case, if they knew it was not ready for release, but said multiple times that it was, this is what is known as lying.  Lying isn't a very good way to communicate, sure, but it is an important distinction.  The Steam bit was a terrible excuse/lie on their part as well.

I agree with your last bit - if a game developer makes a product I feel is worth the price, I will buy it as well.

Originally posted by JeremyBowyer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Although I agree with most of you and while Tasos should be receiving flak due to a buggy unfinished game the fact still remains that it is the only FPS full loot sandbox available to play by pre-ordering. Games such as The Repopulation and Archeage have barely been announced and will probably release around q3 q4 2012, which still gives people a huge downtime in between while craving a sandbox. 

 

If you drop the "pre" from pre ordering, Mortal Online makes Darkfall no longer the "only" one.

A FPS doesn't have over the shoulder POV.

 

The funny part to me, is how DarkfallFanatic doesn't even know what year it is.  Might be a side effect of waiting for Darkfall 2010 so long ;)

Picking on a guy for a typo? I really wouldn't expect anything else from you at this point. You're nothing more than a typical, angry, snide, entitled forum dweller. How sad it must be to spend so much of your time talking about a game/company you hate.

I'm sorry you feel so strongly about this video game that you had to attack me personally.

I'd prefer to just discuss gaming though in the future.