No chance in hell I'm gonna play a MMO that required higher than average IQ to play. These MMOs (most likely) will be run down basically to more alogrithmics you have to crunch than the regular ones we have now. Having Aspergers syndrome myself, this would not pose an extra challenge to play. It most likely will take me a nit longer before I've figured out the way the alogrithmics are created.

On the other hand though, if a publisher would make a MMo with an AI that learns from the users and adepts to the users gameplay (no regular and repeating alogrithmics), I'd play that for sure. At least that's the kind of MMO that'll be challenging because the AI will respond more like you and me than the standard NPC you meet along the way...

Absolutely. 

Unfortunately such a game wouldn't have very many players. 

Even if the game was perfect and the best one ever made, I would object for moral reasons. No one of any integrity, humility, or humanity would sit and allow such elitism.

To be blunt...

"If for even a second you believe this type of exclusion would result in the elimination of stupidity: you are that which you wish to exclude."

IMO, the exclusion of anyone that doesn't score high on culturally biased and intellectually biased forms of testing is true idiocy. Anyone with a brain (or an education on the subject) knows there are hundreds of types of intelligence besides memory and pattern recognition.

According to academia, I am a very intelligent person. That is why I consider groups like "MENSA" to be a complete joke. To state you are a group designed to include intellectuals yet have entry requirements that are very easily proven as culturally or intellectually biased, is the epitome of hypocrisy. (Well...that and the fact I don't know a single intelligent person who belongs to such a group.) I've met very few people who could hold their own in a conversation with me. Not because I know a lot. Not even because I am smart. Simply because few people can comprehend logic with even a little bit of depth.  Truly it actually is most likely because they are incredibly lazy thinkers and truly don't care about the conversations they actually attempt to have. Our society is increasingly apathetic even in normal conversation. Of course, if one person is good at communicating than they can understand most of what the other says even if they're too stupid to communicate effectively. Just believe me when I tell you the conversation will be one sided, almost as if you are arguing for both parties.

Communication alone requires a certain amount of intelligence (both fluid and crystallized). Although intelligence requires some humility, it also results in a lot of arrogance as well. (The smarter you are, the dumber everyone else gets.) Unfortunately I have met more arrogant "intelligent" people who I conclude are stupider than average simply for the fact they lack that small bit of humility that allows one to see flaws in one's own logic when presented with legitimate argument supported by reason. Moderately intelligent people do not always have high amounts of arrogance and are thus able to learn from others who argue successfully against their incorrect perspective.

IMO, being an intellectual requires one to have a certain open-mindedness and humility; else you are blinded to reality. This is not something easily measured through a standardized test. Those who cannot see things CLEARLY simply cannot be very intelligent. I am not talking about what you believe, but how you view others. How you perceive reality is important, and an education or experience in your outside social bubble can be very influential to your actual intelligence. For example, Charity and a kind heart shows much more intelligence than your ability to perform as a human calculator. The former will survive in our world, while the latter may be excluded as an outsider. One could readily argue, "Stupid people perish, Smart people survive." making charisma a higher form of measurable intellect than memorization, because a Charismatic person is more likely to successfully cooperate and thus achieve safety, food, water, etc. Take a hint though; I am not stating this to be fact.

One could argue...

One could argue... this is the entire point.

Arrogance, which births Elitism, simply cannot hear an argument. It is deaf to that which isn't flattery.

IQ tests tell you only 1 thing and that is how many times a person has practiced a test. It's the same thing as those aptitude tests used by companies to screen out candidates. At this point I have done so many of them that I can solve them in less than 30% of the required time and those tests are supposed to put you under time pressure...

Anyways I don't see the point. It's not like MMORPGs require any thinking. Most MMOs do not require any skill or thinking. It's like they are designed for people who want to play games devoid of any thinking. So no. An IQ test at registration is probably the only point at which you will have to use your brain while playing MMOs.

What kind of IQ test did you take? IQ tests are supposed to test your intelligence not your knowledge. Why would you put a knowledge based question in an IQ test? You either know the person on the 50 cent coin or you don't. There is nothing you can do to figure it out if you don't know it. That simply tests your knowledge not your intelligence.

Originally posted by fivoroth

IQ tests tell you only 1 thing and that is how many times a person has practiced a test. It's the same thing as those aptitude tests used by companies to screen out candidates. At this point I have done so many of them that I can solve them in less than 30% of the required time and those tests are supposed to put you under time pressure...

HOLY @#$#@ YOU MUST BE A GENIUS THEN.

TESTS NO LIE

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Originally posted by greenreen
You use an before words that sound like a vowel, "em" and "eye" match that.

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I wouldn't say an IQ test would be the best barrier for entry since IQ tests are usually full of such arbitrary questions as to be useless in terms of commons sense and adaptability which are mainly what you'd be looking for in this case. You'd end up with a bunch of selfish and sociopathic people slipping through just because they could answer meaningless questions.

A common sense/empathy test would be better I think.

Originally posted by fivoroth

IQ tests tell you only 1 thing and that is how many times a person has practiced a test. It's the same thing as those aptitude tests used by companies to screen out candidates. At this point I have done so many of them that I can solve them in less than 30% of the required time and those tests are supposed to put you under time pressure...

Anyways I don't see the point. It's not like MMORPGs require any thinking. Most MMOs do not require any skill or thinking. It's like they are designed for people who want to play games devoid of any thinking. So no. An IQ test at registration is probably the only point at which you will have to use your brain while playing MMOs.

What kind of IQ test did you take? IQ tests are supposed to test your intelligence not your knowledge. Why would you put a knowledge based question in an IQ test? You either know the person on the 50 cent coin or you don't. There is nothing you can do to figure it out if you don't know it. That simply tests your knowledge not your intelligence.

i know what you mean, but its not totally right. you CAN practice IQ tests and get better and faster but you never exceed your limits. so when you compare results, all testers should have had the same practice before.

still, not wanting to play alone :-)

Originally posted by Istavaan
I think they should make the test focus on chatting up a woman in a bar and see how well most of you do. There are different types of intelligence that an  IQ test does not cover. It's ironic that a so called intelligent person thinks IQ tests represents intelligence or a favourable personality, do you people go outside at all?

...says the hard core member with 1400 posts.

I'm not a huge fan of segregation, but I've never been a fan of idiocy.

So I propose a seperate but equal rule.

The IQ test has roughly 4 or 5 tiers and like minded individuals are sorted accordingly.

Originally posted by Istavaan
Maybe they should make people take a personality test because many mmorpg players lack one. "I have a high IQ but i can't socialize with people" said the mmo gamer.

ironically, this post doesnt make you look very social either

If the game in and of itself interested me, I would play it. If it didn't interest me I certainly wouldn't play it purely because of the entry restrictions.

Whilst I have no moral objections to such an idea (at all), it seems really rather pointless.

Originally posted by Spiider

I see elitism is well and thriwing. And some people believe they are better than others and deserve more just by being "better".

Damn, where did I see this already.... ah I remember, Nazi Germany said "Hi".

 

Coun't me out. Elitists should drown in their egos.

I think MMO in general is losing the elitists and its really a bad thing.

Without Elitists there won't be the perfect setup, there won't be a reason for you to gang up on a person, there would be no drive to excell.

That is whats wrong with our current generation, with the mentality of No Child Left Behind, our society is just getting more and more mediocre. Because those that excell are no longer being praised or getting the praises and acknowledge that is needed. And everyone that is Average are now getting all the praises for their average achievements.

I say bring back the Elitists, so that the rest of the population have someone to hate and want to excell toward.

You have to remember that because of Nazi Germany, Military Technology increased, Countries was united against an common foe, and overall production and industrial growth increased. Sure if they had win, it would have sucked, but it did turn out pretty good. So elitists aren't all bad.