Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by Se7enSins

B2P

 

Recently released MMOs (TERA, TSW) that started out as P2P ended up either F2P or B2P. SWTOR also went F2P in what, 6 months?

The only MMO that comes to mind that has yet to fail as a P2P game other than WoW is Rift.

 

Top that with GW2's success with the B2P model I doubt devs would want to test the waters with P2P now a days.

Actually,

 

Ultima Online

Asheron's Call

Eve

Dark Age of Camelot

NexusTK

Warhammer

    All still require subscriptions to play. I'm sure there are more i'm missing.

what he said.

although one can argue that EVE can be played for free. In a weird and plain bizzare move, eve lets you buy your subscription with in-game currency.

playing the game in orer to play the game ? YES PLS.

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by Se7enSins

B2P

 

Recently released MMOs (TERA, TSW) that started out as P2P ended up either F2P or B2P. SWTOR also went F2P in what, 6 months?

The only MMO that comes to mind that has yet to fail as a P2P game other than WoW is Rift.

 

Top that with GW2's success with the B2P model I doubt devs would want to test the waters with P2P now a days.

Actually,

 

Ultima Online

Asheron's Call

Eve

Dark Age of Camelot

NexusTK

Warhammer

    All still require subscriptions to play. I'm sure there are more i'm missing.

DAoC and warhammer are on life support though. Also daoc came out in 2001 and war is considered a failure. No idea about the others.

I'm leaning towards the GW2 model. Even though the game still lost tonnes of players, the barrier for returning to the game is much lower, which means the people you lose come back to check it out again when there's a new update. With SWTOR, when I started getting bored, I just quit and never looked back because if I wanted to do so I had to pay up with at least a month's sub (I know it's F2P -now- but it wasn't back then).

Same thing with WoW - I only seem to return when there's a new big expansion, then quit again a little while after hitting the cap.

But it also means the cash shop must be attractive enough that they actually make enough money from it. I don't know if that's the case with GW2 or not, but it doesn't look like they're shutting the down the game to me.

Originally posted by Fearum
How would boxing gloves and baseball hats fit into TES lore from the cash shop. How could the lore master add in lore about the oh so wonderful cash shop guild in the building next to the fighters guild.

This is what scares me about cash shops. Silly cosmetic items.

And whats with all the vanity items in cash shops? The only way to get money out of this generation of gamers is vanity items?

If ESO isn't P2P, I hope it's B2P with no cash shop.

I have no objection to cash shops in MMO's as long as there is no way to convert the items/coin bought in the cash shop to in game currancy.  IE  All items are bound, and you can't convert RL money to in game cash (ala GW2)

I know many people object to cash shops, but I look at it as an additional funding sounce for games to create more content.  As long as it follows the rules I specified above.

Originally posted by boxsnd

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by Se7enSins

B2P

 

Recently released MMOs (TERA, TSW) that started out as P2P ended up either F2P or B2P. SWTOR also went F2P in what, 6 months?

The only MMO that comes to mind that has yet to fail as a P2P game other than WoW is Rift.

 

Top that with GW2's success with the B2P model I doubt devs would want to test the waters with P2P now a days.

Actually,

 

Ultima Online

Asheron's Call

Eve

Dark Age of Camelot

NexusTK

Warhammer

    All still require subscriptions to play. I'm sure there are more i'm missing.

DAoC and warhammer are on life support though. Also daoc came out in 2001 and war is considered a failure. No idea about the others.

Asherons Call has like 900 players and even though its my favorite game of all time it really needs to go F2P.

Originally posted by ragz45

I have no objection to cash shops in MMO's as long as there is no way to convert the items/coin bought in the cash shop to in game currancy.  IE  All items are bound, and you can't convert RL money to in game cash (ala GW2)

I know many people object to cash shops, but I look at it as an additional funding sounce for games to create more content.  As long as it follows the rules I specified above.

Why does it bother you that someone can convert say gems to gold?  As an example I have spent over $770.00 in GW2 and converted msot of it to gold.  Tell me what advatage did I gane from this?  Other then it allowed me to level 3 additional characters to leve lcap and equip them with craftable exotic gear to compete in WvW and PvE.  Did I magically aquire more skill?  More abilities?  More power?  Nope all it did was allow me to convert my real life time into game currency to get to the same stage as someone who played the normal way.  I don't regret my actions one bit either because in an archaic game like WoW it would take me years to level each of every class to the level cap.  All I did was convert time to gold, same as if I played.  To me thats the beauty of a cash shop. 

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Originally posted by azzamasin

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Originally posted by ragz45 I have no objection to cash shops in MMO's as long as there is no way to convert the items/coin bought in the cash shop to in game currancy.  IE  All items are bound, and you can't convert RL money to in game cash (ala GW2) I know many people object to cash shops, but I look at it as an additional funding sounce for games to create more content.  As long as it follows the rules I specified above.

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Why does it bother you that someone can convert say gems to gold?  As an example I have spent over $770.00 in GW2 and converted msot of it to gold.  Tell me what advatage did I gane from this?  Other then it allowed me to level 3 additional characters to leve lcap and equip them with craftable exotic gear to compete in WvW and PvE.  Did I magically aquire more skill?  More abilities?  More power?  Nope all it did was allow me to convert my real life time into game currency to get to the same stage as someone who played the normal way.  I don't regret my actions one bit either because in an archaic game like WoW it would take me years to level each of every class to the level cap.  All I did was convert time to gold, same as if I played.  To me thats the beauty of a cash shop. 

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Real life savings should have any account in video games.

It will depend on how well beta feedback goes and what their business intelligence teams determine to be the best fit. I think that a B2P model with purchasable DLC and item shop might be where they end up but that is pure speculation.

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by azzamasin

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Originally posted by ragz45 I have no objection to cash shops in MMO's as long as there is no way to convert the items/coin bought in the cash shop to in game currancy.  IE  All items are bound, and you can't convert RL money to in game cash (ala GW2) I know many people object to cash shops, but I look at it as an additional funding sounce for games to create more content.  As long as it follows the rules I specified above.

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Why does it bother you that someone can convert say gems to gold?  As an example I have spent over $770.00 in GW2 and converted msot of it to gold.  Tell me what advatage did I gane from this?  Other then it allowed me to level 3 additional characters to leve lcap and equip them with craftable exotic gear to compete in WvW and PvE.  Did I magically aquire more skill?  More abilities?  More power?  Nope all it did was allow me to convert my real life time into game currency to get to the same stage as someone who played the normal way.  I don't regret my actions one bit either because in an archaic game like WoW it would take me years to level each of every class to the level cap.  All I did was convert time to gold, same as if I played.  To me thats the beauty of a cash shop. 

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You have 3 characters with good gear as oposed to the guy thats on a minimum wage and works his ass of real time?

 

Real life savings should have any account in video games.

Personally I enjoy playing a game I bought as opposted to putting more money into a game in order to play it less ;)

Are we voting based on what we personally want or what will bring the game success?  We can speak expertly on the first but not the second.

I would love to see us discuss the game itself, not things we have no control over or understanding of.

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

P2P doesn't make the community any more mature.

As a whole no but it gaurentee's there wil be enough mature players for me to have a good time, its pretty easy to filter out the ass hats, how is  that not obvious about P2P verses F2P?

So people who pay monthly subs are nicer... right....

Talk about stupid Stereotypes...

Originally posted by snapfusion

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

P2P doesn't make the community any more mature.

As a whole no but it gaurentee's there wil be enough mature players for me to have a good time, its pretty easy to filter out the ass hats, how is  that not obvious about P2P verses F2P?

I think P2P brings out the worst in people. They pay therefore they believe they can behave as assholish as they want. On the other hand in F2P/B2P games people are more humble since they get to play for free or with an one time fee.

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Aeonblades
P2P Subscription. It's the best way to avoid 75% of MMO asshats.

Have you played wow?

Can someone explain why exactly it's a given that WoW has a shit community?

The thing with WoW is that so many people play it your bound to find more douches then normal.  But that also means your more likely to find people you do like due to the probabilities of that happening being higher.  I've quit wow about six times and every time I did go back I found a new guild with decent enough people, sure there's been drama, but I doubt you'd every have that in another game.

I get the feeling this has more to do with people on here being pissed of with how, 'their', genre of games has gone and, 'WoW has a shit community', is just another stick to beat it with.

As for OP, I hope they go down the P2P option with a trial.  £8.99 is not much for a well put together game that has lasting appeal, (which I hope this is), and it's a better deal for a customer anyway for obvious cash shop based reasons.