Originally posted by Lonzo
Mr. Hype is back!

you obviously havent the slightest clue what went on at mythic before and after warhammer online released.

This guy fought tooth and nail to keep mythic afloat while others were doing bedtime deals with EA. He just hinted that directly without getting disrespctful to rob denton whom btw is a complete and utter moron. Jeff Hickman and Rob Denton killed mythic period look where Im from if you think I do not know what Im talking about to. EA Louse put it out there when warhammer crashed and called swtor out as well. If you think EA didnt TAKE this studio you are lost period and need to learn more about business. Mark made the HUGE mistake of trusting his "friends" Rob and Jeff to run his company and dealt instead with making deals with talent and other studios. That is why he is so hated today because he vouched for design decisions made by two idiots that do not even deserve to be in the industry to this day let alone feed their families from their mistakes.

Mythic dying did not just effect mythic , it effected all the side projects in fairfax and woodbridge VA as well like nothingisimpossiblestudios with blue exile. People pointing the finger here at mark are ignorant to really what was going on in virginia trust me.

Originally posted by cronius77

Originally posted by Lonzo
Mr. Hype is back!

you obviously havent the slightest clue what went on at mythic before and after warhammer online released.

This guy fought tooth and nail to keep mythic afloat while others were doing bedtime deals with EA. He just hinted that directly without getting disrespctful to rob denton whom btw is a complete and utter moron. Jeff Hickman and Rob Denton killed mythic period look where Im from if you think I do not know what Im talking about to. EA Louse put it out there when warhammer crashed and called swtor out as well. If you think EA didnt TAKE this studio you are lost period and need to learn more about business. Mark made the HUGE mistake of trusting his "friends" Rob and Jeff to run his company and dealt instead with making deals with talent and other studios. That is why he is so hated today because he vouched for design decisions made by two idiots that do not even deserve to be in the industry to this day let alone feed their families from their mistakes.

Mythic dying did not just effect mythic , it effected all the side projects in fairfax and woodbridge VA as well like nothingisimpossiblestudios with blue exile. People pointing the finger here at mark are ignorant to really what was going on in virginia trust me.

This.. 

yeah and I am the president,

Everyone knows everything, here is an idea, actually look up the history in news articles about Mythic and you will see what killed the company. Finally Warhammer was a failure for the main two leads believed in a WoW vision, not a daoc one. Simple as that. Nothing more needs to be said.

As far as mark, well he barried his company by his own doings, again look it up, I won't argue with the know it all's here , get the facts from the news articals that lace the internet on the company that was  known as Mythic Entertainment. Mark you messed it up and one day, you might actually admit to it but I doubt it, I think app development is where you should stay.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
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Daoc has way more in common with older themeparks like EQ and Ao than it does sandboxes like eve.

I love daoc, try not to take themepark as av insult. But back then games like daoc and EQ were themeparks, hell the phrase was coined to differentiate EQ from uo.

You can make a good fun themepark, daoc is testimony to that. Themepark doesn't mean a boring instanced to hell shitfest like swtor. That's just a game that takes themepark to the extreme.

Eve Online is a Themepark.. right up there with WoW.. I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Politics with ea, bioware and hickman cost marc his job. Not bloody bright wizards, which he had nothing to do with anyway, the guy doing the balance stuff is that pvp guy on rift.

truth. and we all know how good Rift pvp is... /sarcasm

In reality tho, the entity to blame for WAR is EA. They pushed the game out too early when it needed another 1-2 years in development.

Originally posted by chaintm
lol ea is doing descent and far from having no funds, they still are right below blizzard, you guys can wish EA away all you like, people have been for 10 years now and they still publish games and people still buy them obviously.

Their stock is lower than it has been in a long LONG time. They aren't doing well.

sounds to me like you are just bitter and complaining not knowing really what happened with mythic. TOA did not Ruin DAOC like some of the bitter people here like to say. Yes  people quit over it and yes people were mad but mythic changed how artifacts were leveled and made the master level raids much easier with new frontiers. People left DAOC for wow and EQ2 when they released. Hell even shadowbane took a chunk of DAOC population. People do not play the same game daily forever no matter if it is great or just okay. People have been hoping around games since eq and uo its not something new to the genre. I played them all as well but still held a strong love for DAOC. Warhammer was terrible yes but you need to put blame on denton and hickman. If you tell people here to read old articles than you know that it was hickman and denton that killed warhammer online for many people. Also war had plenty of subs at release and most didnt just leave either. Most left after the constant class imbalances like brightwizards that Adam Gersowitz(who know works for Trion) continued to make stronger and not address the glaring issues with them.

Nothing like melting a entire pug with 2 bright wizards a couple of pocket healers and a tank to shield wall a choke point. I was there from beta to 2010 and i remember the boards and all the crying over BWs.

I would be playing Warhammer Online today if it went F2P. It is the best PvP experience out for myself. I don't think they made a terrible game, I think that they made the wrong moves after launch and it was impossible to come back from. They fixed so many things, but most people don't look twice. The only thing that gets a second look in the MMO world is when a game changes buisness models.

Originally posted by Amaranthar

Mark, you probably don't remember me (using this same name), but you launched into a personnal and scathing attack on me in your forums when I pointed out that DAoC was going to lose subs because you said the world was going to be zoned, and many others were agreeing. Then a month later you were talking about your new "bubble" techology to remove zones.

But I don't hold grudges. Just wanted to say that DAoC was one of the better Themepark games, and some aspects of it were very well done. If it hadn't been Themepark and force marched me past zones I liked very much, I would have considered it one of the great games.

The PvP system was a good one, the best I've seen for a game that isn't "open world". Even in a Sandbox game, it's a solid option to control the brutal outcome of ganksquads such as UO had. Just not the best option, IMO.

Your customer service was the best I've seen in all of MMOdom. Both in-game as well as on the boards, you guys had this nailed!

The bigges shame was the Themeparkiness, the zoning of content. You guys had a great world, and I didn't want to be forced to move on from many areas. Would much rather have done that by choice, when I wanted to, and return to a "home zone", if you will. Of course, that would mean alternate game play to keep things interesting while staying put in an area. I really wished DAoC had done that. The lore was a fantastic choice, and in this it could have been more developed to accomodate it. I'm sure I'm ot the only player that spent a lot of time trying to figure out meaning to the runes, looking for deeper mysteries in the game.

From what it sounds like, you seem to be in a good place. Congrats, and best wishes. Maybe all of the past challenges has done some good, eh?

lmao sorry but if you dont hold grudges you would of never of even brought this up in this froum at all. Well at least you try to redeem your post by wishing him well. lol could not resist.

Great interview.  Really puts a lot of the debate to rest on Mark's departure from EA/Mythic.  I was a pretty big critic of Warhammer when it launched as were many others.  But i'm just a random forumgoer on the interwebs.  It must have been a living hell what Mark had to put up with to ensure that ROI accured, while still trying to make a quality product. 

Reminds you again how messy things get whenever people do business with EA.

At some point the whole blame game really becomes pointless, I must say that after war hammer launched I was one of the posters on VNBoards bashing Jacobs and the crew. At some point I just moved on and I have a different perspective on it now.

Sometimes in life we create scapegoats to channel shortcomings that we often have ourselves but are not ready to face them yet. Instead we take it out on an easy target like most folks have done to Mark after Warhammer. 

I never put myself in his shoes at the time as I was blinded by own sense of self righteousness and anger, but looking back at now, I feel sadness for my actions as I can see how its mindless to jump in the frey and kick a man while he is down.

We all make mistskes, sometimes big ones, and at those times we can feel utterly worthless and like a complete failure, however anothers compassion and forgiveness can bring us back into the light and out of our despair.

Be kind to eachother, find forgivness inside yourself, that is what I learned from Mr Jacobs, even though I never met the man

Please it wasnt Bright Wizards that did it in.

It was the combo of Bright Wizard, Knight of the Blazing Sun and the Warrior Priest that fucking broke the PvP/RvR game.

And it broke it fucking bad.

I watched 2 BW's, 1 KotBS, 2 WP's wipe 20-30 man groups over and over. Its when I said fuck-it and quit.

And yes Im bitter about it. I still to this day miss that game and its potential.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Amaranthar

Mark, you probably don't remember me (using this same name), but you launched into a personnal and scathing attack on me in your forums when I pointed out that DAoC was going to lose subs because you said the world was going to be zoned, and many others were agreeing. Then a month later you were talking about your new "bubble" techology to remove zones.

But I don't hold grudges. Just wanted to say that DAoC was one of the better Themepark games, and some aspects of it were very well done. If it hadn't been Themepark and force marched me past zones I liked very much, I would have considered it one of the great games.

The PvP system was a good one, the best I've seen for a game that isn't "open world". Even in a Sandbox game, it's a solid option to control the brutal outcome of ganksquads such as UO had. Just not the best option, IMO.

Your customer service was the best I've seen in all of MMOdom. Both in-game as well as on the boards, you guys had this nailed!

The bigges shame was the Themeparkiness, the zoning of content. You guys had a great world, and I didn't want to be forced to move on from many areas. Would much rather have done that by choice, when I wanted to, and return to a "home zone", if you will. Of course, that would mean alternate game play to keep things interesting while staying put in an area. I really wished DAoC had done that. The lore was a fantastic choice, and in this it could have been more developed to accomodate it. I'm sure I'm ot the only player that spent a lot of time trying to figure out meaning to the runes, looking for deeper mysteries in the game.

From what it sounds like, you seem to be in a good place. Congrats, and best wishes. Maybe all of the past challenges has done some good, eh?

lmao sorry but if you dont hold grudges you would of never of even brought this up in this froum at all. Well at least you try to redeem your post by wishing him well. lol could not resist.