Originally posted by DamonVile

I wonder how many wow players bought D3. When a company that makes a game that soooo many people think is a good game for the time they played it, it's not really unreasonable to think the same quality is going to be found in another game they put out.

 

Wonder how many of those ppl still think that.

 I played WoW and gave it a few months and in those few months I struggled to like it ,however every other game blizzard has come out with I have enjoyed so far. Even d3.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

 Do you have any idea how those sites work? You can start by excluding the 90% of the ratings that were made before the game even came out.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I agree that it would be extreme if he made a good but not "great" game.  He made Diablo 3 though, which is the only game I'd say ever that deserves a 0/10.  I have said numerous times that IMO, it's worse than ET and worse than the virtual boy.  Now, if they completely removed the RMT AH, it goes up to 1/10 for me.  If they remove the RMT AH and their DRM method, I'd say it's at least a 4/10, possibly more.  I'd never say it was a good game though.

And BTW, sales do not make games great/good/anything.  It just means you had hype and marketing.

Your 0/10 score only holds up if the only 2 games that ever existed were Diablo 2 and Diablo 3.

And even then, you'd only need a binary scoring system, so it would've been a 0/1 score.

Insanity.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

Annual pass accounts for 1.2 million D3 sales. Not 6 million, like your "analyst" suggests. Outright lying is just embarassing.

source: http://www.videogamer.com/pc/diablo_3/news/diablo_iii_sets_pc_sales_record_sells_3_5_million_units_in_24_hours.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_video_games

Again, I must stress this, you were caught lying there.This information is freely available.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

 Do you have any idea how those sites work? You can start by excluding the 90% of the ratings that were made before the game even came out.

Ok, I admit that if you disregard the only metrics we have on player satisfaction it seems people really did like Diablo 3... 

Disregard what players have said on the forums, disregard player reviews, disregard what players say in chat, disregard what players you meet and know in real life say when you ask them, disregard polls and yes... I admit it can seem like most actually enjoyed Diablo 3 lol... 

I mean seriously, it's not like there were so many on the Diablo 3 forums unhappy with the game cheering and celebrating the departure of Jay Wilson that Rob Pardo had to step in and try and defend him.... 

Originally posted by tawess

Originally posted by Souldrainer

This is at least partly a lie.  He says "I was ultimately responsible for the game we released and take full responsibility for the quality of the result", yet when he woke up today, he went to the same office and did the same job he did yesterday.  Taking full responsiblity means having consequences for your actions.  So, he should resign.  Pardo's statement here is a thinly veiled marketing ploy, wrought with lies and buzz words.  If it were a Japanese company, they would have all just done Hari Kari right there in the office.

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...? Yeah sure.. In the real world that is nor how it works. He did his job, like it or not. Will they take the demands of said cult with them in the design of the next diablo game. Sure most likley but that does not equal him as missing the mark. Yes the game sold well but the backlash has spoken for iteself. So.. Because a game sold well and many who bought the game gave feedback expressing how dissapointed they were with the title, resulting in negative publicity and potentially hurting sales of future titles by Blizzard, then nothing can be done to the people at the top? Yeah sure.. In the real world there are potential repercussions if you doa bad job, regardless of how well it sells initially. Short term sure the game has made them money, but long term this type of quality can come back and bite them although Blizzard has a huge following that would buy anything they put out and call it gold.  You say he did his job, I say he did it poorly and should be evaluated on quality and not how many units were bought. I won't argue opinions on the game since we all have our own, but let's not act like it is a tiny minority who felt betrayed by the title. Look it up.

 

If you think you can do better there are several crowd funding sites out there for you to cut your teeth at. After all D1 and 2 are not by todays standard very complicated games system or graphics wise. So we have to be game designers to have opinions on the products we buy. I don't think I can do better at game design but then again it isn't my job.  I bought and played D3 based on the games they have released in the past and have enjoyed them, but I was sorely dissapointed in D3. I guess my opinions irrelevant though because I know I can't do a better job.

 I respect that he came out to the defence of his co worker. I read some of the nasty remarks and felt they were to harsh. But  IMO it is to late to play the blame game since the guy has already resigned. Too little too late. Hopefully they can turn things around at some point.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

 Hey this is the internet, don't spoil their petty arguements with facts!

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

 Do you have any idea how those sites work? You can start by excluding the 90% of the ratings that were made before the game even came out.

Ok, I admit that if you disregard the only metrics we have on player satisfaction it seems people really did like Diablo 3... 

Disregard what players have said on the forums, disregard player reviews, disregard what players say in chat, disregard what players you meet and know in real life say when you ask them, disregard polls and yes... I admit it can seem like most actually enjoyed Diablo 3 lol... 

 

I mean seriously, it's not like there were so many on the Diablo 3 forums unhappy with the game cheering and celebrating the departure of Jay Wilson that Rob Pardo had to step in and try and defend him.... 

 Hence a few dozen malcontents. I disregard all invalid metrics. Just because metrics exist doesn't make them worth anything.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

 Do you have any idea how those sites work? You can start by excluding the 90% of the ratings that were made before the game even came out.

Ok, I admit that if you disregard the only metrics we have on player satisfaction it seems people really did like Diablo 3... 

Disregard what players have said on the forums, disregard player reviews, disregard what players say in chat, disregard what players you meet and know in real life say when you ask them, disregard polls and yes... I admit it can seem like most actually enjoyed Diablo 3 lol... 

 

I mean seriously, it's not like there were so many on the Diablo 3 forums unhappy with the game cheering and celebrating the departure of Jay Wilson that Rob Pardo had to step in and try and defend him.... 

 Hence a few dozen malcontents. I disregard all invalid metrics. Just because metrics exist doesn't make them worth anything.

You are correct, I mean look at all the praise for Diablo 3 and the overwhelming sadness of Jays departure. It truly is a loved game. I apologize for my misguided views. 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by tawess

 

 

So... Because he made one of the best-selling games of all time that just did not happen to meet the standars of a small fanatic cult of gamers he should resign...?

Didn't Diablo 2 top 20 million copies sold a long time ago?  Take your 10 million copies sold, and subtract every Blizzard fanboy who bought the game because of their crossover games.  One analyst suggessted they might have 4 million sold without cross-promotion.  So, there are ~16 million people out there who are boycotting this game.  And you call this a small group?  LOL!

 Seven not twenty. More people have bought D3 than ever played D2. There are an estimated 7,045,562,892
people that haven't bought Diablo 3 on earth. Are they all to be counted as boycotting the game? One analyst suggested the moon is made of green cheese. Should we believe that too?

And wouldnt it be interesting to know how many people who excitingly purchased Diablo 3 were pissed off with what they recieved "dissatisfied customer's"

Slice it any way you want...

It may have sold 10 million + copies, but the game fails big time in more ways then one. Reputation being a big one.

 

 Speaking for the world now too? Because outside of a few dozen internet malcontents I haven't seen any great outcry.

lol... a few dozen? Again... look at any place that has a place for player ratings. Your few dozen becomes thousands upon thousands. Those that post anything postive fit the "Few Dozens" a great deal better than those that have and continue to have issue with D3 for various reasons lol. 

 Do you have any idea how those sites work? You can start by excluding the 90% of the ratings that were made before the game even came out.

Ok, I admit that if you disregard the only metrics we have on player satisfaction it seems people really did like Diablo 3... 

Disregard what players have said on the forums, disregard player reviews, disregard what players say in chat, disregard what players you meet and know in real life say when you ask them, disregard polls and yes... I admit it can seem like most actually enjoyed Diablo 3 lol... 

 

I mean seriously, it's not like there were so many on the Diablo 3 forums unhappy with the game cheering and celebrating the departure of Jay Wilson that Rob Pardo had to step in and try and defend him.... 

 Hence a few dozen malcontents. I disregard all invalid metrics. Just because metrics exist doesn't make them worth anything.

You are correct, I mean look at all the praise for Diablo 3 and the overwhelming sadness of Jays departure. It truly is a loved game. I apologize for my misguided views. 

I don't think he will ever get the sarcasm, lol.

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Originally posted by Aviggin
In the end, if the higher ups are defending Jay Wilson, and actually enjoyed what he had done with D3, then I truly weep for the future games from Blizzard. D3 might be the highest quality we can expect from them from here on out.

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Damn, just when I was hoping Titan was going to be good....

To be honest I think most of the aggression towards D3 was from the lack of PVP and other promised and/or expected features.  PVP was on the back of the box and didn't come shipped as promised.  That should have never happened even if it meant delaying the game for another year.  This was a major release. 

On another honest note the game was pretty good for the time it took me to complete it.  Most expected too much from a game whose template came from the 90s.  But without means of alternative play, class flexibility, and some form of competition, for me at least when I reached the end I was done with the experience.  I can't say I regret any of my time spent playing it though, not in the least.

Originally posted by Swiftrevoir

To be honest I think most of the aggression towards D3 was from the lack of PVP and other promised and/or expected features.  PVP was on the back of the box and didn't come shipped as promised.  That should have never happened even if it meant delaying the game for another year.  This was a major release. 

On another honest note the game was pretty good for the time it took me to complete it.  Most expected too much from a game whose template came from the 90s.  But without means of alternative play, class flexibility, and some form of competition, for me at least when I reached the end I was done with the experience.  I can't say I regret any of my time spent playing it though, not in the least.

PvP wasn't listed as a feature on the back of the box. At least not on mine. All it says is fighting through countless enemies on the battlefield (PvE), trading on the AH, the variety of abilities, etc.

A lot of people didn't like that there was no PvP. I don't care personally about the PvP. After launch, most of the gripes I read were about the itemization, storyline, and how a lot of the skills were next to useless and not viable after a certain point so people were pigeon-holed into specific builds.

EDIT: No, you were right about the PvP on some boxes. I looked up on google images, and one box says "unite with friend to conquer the forces of evil or fight against them to be the strongest hero."

Originally posted by Rusque
but the real flaw with D3 . . . R M A H. That had to be the worst design decision (for players) ever, worked out well for their bank account though.

That and the online requirement for what has previously been a single player series are the biggest reasons I never bothered trying this game.

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

Originally posted by Rusque
but the real flaw with D3 . . . R M A H. That had to be the worst design decision (for players) ever, worked out well for their bank account though.

That and the online requirement for what has previously been a single player series are the biggest reasons I never bothered trying this game.

I also tried Path of Exile. I had to log in to play. Teh Horror!