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  erictlewis

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1/25/13 2:45:12 PM#201

I will not pay a sub for this game it needs to be buy to play. 

 

  Sevenstar61

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1/25/13 2:45:51 PM#202
Originally posted by XAPGames

Box + subscription hoping for critical mass and growth after launch, with pre-planned F2P (item shop or freemium) or B2P (box + item shop) conversion for when the population starts dropping.

 

I think this is just about optimal for a game that doesn't go directly F2P or B2P.

 

This is probably the most probable, unless they decide to do this at launch. I would say that they had time to learn from SWTOR that there is no way they will be able to keep the initial surge for a long time. No matter how good the game will be, majority of players who played single player games like  Skirim or other games and will just to get through content will leave the game after they get to max level.


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  Ericcompton

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1/25/13 2:50:13 PM#203
Originally posted by Istavaan
Originally posted by Aeonblades
P2P Subscription. It's the best way to avoid 75% of MMO asshats.

Have you played wow?

No doubt.

WoW has at least 90% immature, TSW and GW2 a whole lot less. It's not the price that keeps them out as much as the content

  safire312

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1/25/13 3:26:43 PM#204

P2P... I want great growing mmo... not just boring gw2like game...

MMO is service, youre playing in your free time... every service is payable... U can easy spent 7eur in cinema... 10/15eur per month isnt really much...

  Fangrim

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1/25/13 3:34:25 PM#205

No it won't, I t will be F2P,with a cash shop and a subscription that unlocks everything where you get cash to spend in the shop per monthly sub.Subscription is not dead.

 

EDIT: that was to Istavan or whatever he calls himself

  korent1991

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1/25/13 3:35:45 PM#206
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Galadourn
I want TESO to attract a mature audience, so I voted P2P.

I've played WOW for years and the community I experienced was awful, elitist wannabe and anything but mature...

Then, I got to GW2 and I'm just amazed how better the community in game is. One of the friendliest community in mmorpg world.

I'm not really sure why people get this idea that P2P will get you mature crowd... So far I've experienced exactly the opposite.

I think B2P with cash shop (not intrusive cash shop where it blocks you from progressing) doesn't give the players this feeling that they're getting coined where P2P model does and is outdated (atleast those sub prices which are present today) thus should be left where it belongs.

Sorry man, you lost me in a fit of giggles at GW2 having a good community. This game is actually known for it's piss poor community. Great game in it's own way, but community is not one of those ways.

On this forums? Yeah, on this forums GW2 is the devils community because most people judge the whole community by few fanboys who patronize everyone who says something negative about the game. I don't like the "GW2 community" on this forums as well, which is funny tho, because GW2 community is actually on GW2 forums and game. That's where you can judge a games community. Here, we're all just "MMORPG.COM community".

I'm saying from my experience. I haven't played a mmorpg, yet, where there isn't so many random douchebags... And if you've met them, you know what I'm talking about.

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  3-4thElf

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1/25/13 3:38:46 PM#207
Originally posted by Rusque

If I were zenimax I would opt for B2P, you can recoup major costs through box sales. All the previous TES games relied soley on box sales and they continued to support those, so I imagine box sales would be great. Also creates to opportunity for deluxe and limited edition boxes which go for $100 - $250 depends on what's inside.

Then adding a reasonable cash shop with cosmetic items and a few creature comforts (as long as they don't infringe on gameplay it will make money.

 

As a player, yes I would like free. P2P only if the game is the next WoW will will be with me for the next 5 years. Otherwise I prefer to have the option to come back anytime without cost.

All the previous TES games were worth buying. Word of mouth is going to kill this game, but if they can keep things hushed about it sadly being just another MMO they could probably eek  a few extra sales by going B2P and advertising it as a game it isn't.

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  aleos

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1/25/13 3:41:19 PM#208

Ok. I'm the owner of Zenimark

 

Boss: Hey whats our subscription model going to be?

Minion: I don't know sir

Boss: What do you mean you don't know

Minion: well we havnt played it yet

Boss: so what you're saying is you havn't played the game yet so you cant put forth an opinion of value?

Minion: thats correct.

Boss: this isn't my office..

 

and   -scene-

  boxsnd

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OP  1/25/13 3:45:04 PM#209
@all who want P2P. Can you name some P2P MMOs which released after 2005 that were successful? I honestly can't even think of one. What makes you believe ESO will have a different fate?

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  Lawlmonster

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1/25/13 3:48:34 PM#210
I'd be pleased with it being B2P, though naturally I'd prefer cash shops wouldn't accompany the model, though understand the necessity for the publishers and developers to make their end. If it isn't B2P, I'd be willing to accept a subscription based payment, hopefully at ten dollars rather than fifteen, though I also realize that seems unlikely.

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  Ice-Queen

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1/25/13 3:52:16 PM#211
Originally posted by boxsnd
@all who want P2P. Can you name some P2P MMOs which released after 2005 that were successful? I honestly can't even think of one. What makes you believe ESO will have a different fate?

We can't because they've all been terrible WoW clones, that's why they're not P2P. There's a reason games like UO, Asheron's Call, DAOC still have players and subscriptions, they weren't shitty themeparks.

I would ask you, how many mmo's in the past few years that have gotten 500k-over 1 Mill to buy them knowing full well they were subscription based, only to have people leave in droves after the first couple months, then the game having to go B2P or F2P. People will pay a subscription for a game they really like, they won't pay it for a game that's not worthy a subscription.

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  deakon

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1/25/13 4:05:17 PM#212
Originally posted by boxsnd
@all who want P2P. Can you name some P2P MMOs which released after 2005 that were successful? I honestly can't even think of one. What makes you believe ESO will have a different fate?

Depends on the yard stick you judge them by

 

If your expecting millions of active users over a long period of time, then no western mmo apart from WoW has been a success and thats including b2p/f2p/freemium, maybe gw2 but theres no way to know as box sales dont tell us much at all

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

1/25/13 5:10:35 PM#213

i dont know about what they will do till they do it all i know is this

 

P2P = more work on core and bugs then shinies, tends to scare away casual players

B2P = noramlly are games that although have alot of work put into them ( sometimes) tend to be forgotten about by the company after words in order to start work on the next big thing and only small crew is left to work on game with more focus on shinies in cash shop instead of core game or bugs. WHY? because they already got your money they want more not to worry about whether or not you pay your sub.

F2P = same as B2P exept little to no real effert is put into the game inital production, and its all about the cash shops with core game and bugs being very low on priorities

 

rember modern game companies are a bussnes not people who care anymore they only care about the money they make, not the players. their are exeptions but very few

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  safire312

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1/25/13 5:14:38 PM#214
Originally posted by boxsnd
@all who want P2P. Can you name some P2P MMOs which released after 2005 that were successful? I honestly can't even think of one. What makes you believe ESO will have a different fate?

I know one B2P game that ended with no conent, hate gw2 endgame ? wait for more modes,arenas,duels,dungeons, we just release new exansion for next 70dollars... also, dont forget to buy our mega boosts and awesome looking basseball bats and sunglases in our super GEM store !! because our fantasy world rulez ... this is TES, this is serious fantasy world...

  mazut

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1/25/13 5:34:14 PM#215
Even if it start p2p, soon will change ;) Maybe even sooner
  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

1/25/13 5:47:53 PM#216

i hope TESO will take a stand and go back to P2P i mean come on 15 is average for P2P

you cant tell me thats sets you back when you already own a com that can handle it and are paying for a highspeed internet line.

if you fill you need to get the money somewhere drink one less at the bar cut your own hair instead of barber ( no wait dont do that ) skip eating out one day and cook something at the house. get the cheap gas instead of the good gas, HELL WALK.

my point is everyone gose on and on about F2P is bettter cause they cant aford it, well ya know what i know peopple who say they cant aford the cost of gas but spend a few hundred every weekend on bar hopping. . .. . . . . . there would be more money for things if people would watch their money better

great now im ranting on things that dont have to do with thread :p

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  3-4thElf

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1/25/13 5:53:49 PM#217
Originally posted by Squeak69

i hope TESO will take a stand and go back to P2P i mean come on 15 is average for P2P

you cant tell me thats sets you back when you already own a com that can handle it and are paying for a highspeed internet line.

if you fill you need to get the money somewhere drink one less at the bar cut your own hair instead of barber ( no wait dont do that ) skip eating out one day and cook something at the house. get the cheap gas instead of the good gas, HELL WALK.

my point is everyone gose on and on about F2P is bettter cause they cant aford it, well ya know what i know peopple who say they cant aford the cost of gas but spend a few hundred every weekend on bar hopping. . .. . . . . . there would be more money for things if people would watch their money better

great now im ranting on things that dont have to do with thread :p

Very few people praise F2P because they can't afford a monthly fee.

Most people don't like the idea of time ticking away. Most MMOs ofter at best 3 weeks of content at launch any more, paying to wait for content just doesn't make sense with how repeative games are now a days.

Give me an ala carte model any day. Paying for repeat dungeon raids should be recognized as a mental disorder.

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  Fearum

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1/25/13 6:01:40 PM#218
How would boxing gloves and baseball hats fit into TES lore from the cash shop. How could the lore master add in lore about the oh so wonderful cash shop guild in the building next to the fighters guild.
  Kuppa

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1/25/13 6:03:01 PM#219
Originally posted by Squeak69

i hope TESO will take a stand and go back to P2P i mean come on 15 is average for P2P

you cant tell me thats sets you back when you already own a com that can handle it and are paying for a highspeed internet line.

if you fill you need to get the money somewhere drink one less at the bar cut your own hair instead of barber ( no wait dont do that ) skip eating out one day and cook something at the house. get the cheap gas instead of the good gas, HELL WALK.

my point is everyone gose on and on about F2P is bettter cause they cant aford it, well ya know what i know peopple who say they cant aford the cost of gas but spend a few hundred every weekend on bar hopping. . .. . . . . . there would be more money for things if people would watch their money better

great now im ranting on things that dont have to do with thread :p

hey look at that! another that want's to tell everyone how they should use their money. Figures....


  korent1991

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1/25/13 6:07:57 PM#220
Originally posted by Tayah
Originally posted by boxsnd
@all who want P2P. Can you name some P2P MMOs which released after 2005 that were successful? I honestly can't even think of one. What makes you believe ESO will have a different fate?

We can't because they've all been terrible WoW clones, that's why they're not P2P. There's a reason games like UO, Asheron's Call, DAOC still have players and subscriptions, they weren't shitty themeparks.

I would ask you, how many mmo's in the past few years that have gotten 500k-over 1 Mill to buy them knowing full well they were subscription based, only to have people leave in droves after the first couple months, then the game having to go B2P or F2P. People will pay a subscription for a game they really like, they won't pay it for a game that's not worthy a subscription.

well, SWTOR wasn't a WOW clone, TERA isn't a WOW clone, TSW certanly isn't a WOW clone...

Except for SWTOR, those are good games.. But, the market has changed too much at this point, gaming crowd is one of the toughest crowds to please and it get's harder with each day.

We've seen alot of good ideas floping when they were released and we've seen alot less good ideas succeeding... But the main thing is that the competition is now growing bigger and bigger every day, people won't pay for just about anything and that's why all those great games which could've succeed, failed - because of the wrong sub model.

Times changed and I think people are realising the actual value of their money in MMORPGs...

BTW, P2P model after 2005. in NA/EU is RIFT. It's a stable game with decent income if they're managing to keep it alive and add expansions so it's a success in my book. There's alot of them in East with P2P model, but their P2P model is so much different from ours and so much cheaper so I'm not taking it under consideration.

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