Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Myrdynn

I think this marks the first time in MMORPG.com history that the entire site agrees on something

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but it makes little sense to me.

Trion has just fired a load of long term devs for Rift and now there going to publish this limited appeal niche game?, (Whether I may like it or not is irrelevent, it's a game with limited appeal to most people because of it's mechanics).  Were those people fired for this?!

Rift must be doing worse then I thought because if they seriously cut people to fund publishing this then they are clueless

dont worry dude, MoP wont be affected by the AA release, the audience are not the same...

Just reading this today and my morning coffee just got even better tasting!

Woo Hoo! News for the inquiring minds!

Originally posted by Ghostsan
This is excelent news! Trion has what it takes to do it. AA will exist in Europe. :)

I didn't catch that part.  The Trion publishing includes Europe also?

Originally posted by XAPGames

Originally posted by Ghostsan
This is excelent news! Trion has what it takes to do it. AA will exist in Europe. :)

 

I didn't catch that part.  The Trion publishing includes Europe also?

 

Yes it does.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by vtravi
Hmm 30 levels of tutorial. How many players are gonna quite before they get through the tutorial. I only need about an hour to figure out how a game works. This seems excessive

I agree 100% and this is the one thing that really, and I mean REALLY turns me off about AA - at least based on hands on from others.

Hopefully we can skip it all starting at level 2 and not be ridiculously gimped.

Seriously? I dont get it. Everyone and his cat has enjoyed and applauded WoW and/or GW2. Guided Experience.

And, it is all good and nice.. it is just nothing to hold you very long. But for a introduction into a sandbox game it is a very wise move. I may even enjoyed GW2 or WoW if the got their game only up to level 30 and delivered from there a good sandbox experience.

In other words. ArcheAge Level 1 - 30 is like WoW or GW2. You will get your Quests, your story tidbits, your dungeons, well all the GW2 and WoW package. And some basic introduction into how some Sandbox Tools work. As much as i know you will be even pvp protected up to there.

Then the sandbox game starts slowly. The open pvp, the expansion force pvp, territory controll, farm building and so on.

And yes.. GW2 and WoW is just a tutorial.. and never was a lot more. They left out the game.

Edit: And yeap. Trion is most probably the best choice.. especially for europe. EU only publisher suck altogether.

Sandbox games can be very confusing to a new player. Dropping them into the deep end and telling them to learn to swim might work, but it's more effective to tutor them so they at least get a taste of the different activities before having to decide what they want to do.

Perfect solution, IMO.

Originally posted by sumfool
hopefully they wont be charging full price again everytime an expansion is released ,like they do with rift , that would be so uncool .

 I don't understand the attitude of  "X-pac should be cheap". Maybe after some months, but at launch date full price is acceptable. Esspecially when you look at the console market, that regularly charges $60 for 30-50 hours of game play.

For AA: I totaly think Trion is a great choice, should do well.

Originally posted by Slappy1

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by troublmaker

Not to rain in on people's parade but what makes Trion such an outstanding publisher?  They've published one game so far and it's had less than average success.

The other game they were publishing, End of Nations is no longer being developed... or has had severely delayed development.

That other game they're working on Defiance isn't out yet.

Crytek's Warface (which they're publishing) isn't out yet.

They don't really have an outstanding record as a publisher.

They really support their game and the community. From a gamer's perspective, what more could you ask for?

How have they really supported their game and community?  They pumped out content at a good pace for the first 18 months, then xpac, and now few months later?  Unless they can match their first 18 month pace then they were full of a lot of hot air and marketing bull.  So far they're not on pace.

The fact is they don't have an outsanding record as a publisher.  I can see being excited that EA isn't the publisher, but that's different than throwing accolades at Trion where they haven't earned them yet.

From what I just looked at SL release was 11/13/2012 they had 6 hotfixes and then 2.1 patch on 12/12/2012 and have had 5 hotfixes since that.I fail to see that they're anywhere near being full of hot air.In 2 month's and 11 day's to have 11 hotfixes and a 2.1 patch.

Patches and hotfixes aren't content updates.  Anet patches every week.  BIg deal.  They released 2.1 which was content previously developed and locked for SL to keep power guilds from burning through it.  They haven't actually done anything content wise for several months.

Looking back through their frenzied patch history they didn't really add a lot of content for the first 18 months compared to any other game's first 18 months of pre-generated content.  It's entirely possible a huge portion of what they delivered then was mostly complete by launch.  So what they do over the next 6 to 12 months will be indicative of what they can really do.

So far they aren't actually a proven success at all.  They just don't have the dings and marks against them for mistakes that older companies have made.  The cheering here is premature adjulation.

Excellent choice in Trion, I think.  Although I'm not currently playing Rift, I did play betas and early release and was extremely impressed by the polish and high quality of customer service.

I've had my eye on ArcheAge for some time now, and this is another reason to hold my interest.

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by troublmaker

Not to rain in on people's parade but what makes Trion such an outstanding publisher?  They've published one game so far and it's had less than average success.

The other game they were publishing, End of Nations is no longer being developed... or has had severely delayed development.

That other game they're working on Defiance isn't out yet.

Crytek's Warface (which they're publishing) isn't out yet.

They don't really have an outstanding record as a publisher.

They really support their game and the community. From a gamer's perspective, what more could you ask for?

How have they really supported their game and community?  They pumped out content at a good pace for the first 18 months, then xpac, and now few months later?  Unless they can match their first 18 month pace then they were full of a lot of hot air and marketing bull.  So far they're not on pace.

The fact is they don't have an outsanding record as a publisher.  I can see being excited that EA isn't the publisher, but that's different than throwing accolades at Trion where they haven't earned them yet.

 

So you're saying that they've been slacking in the last six months in terms of updates to the game? They've patched the game over 50 times, and have made significant changes to the game 10 times. They're already gearing up for 2.2. This is all while developing and preparing for a major expansion.

 

What do you want from them? A reacharound and a sandwich after?

god I know right, some people are just sick and messed up in the head and cant stand when others are happy, 98% of the thead is all positive and then you have these 2 ..

I think you should do everyone a favor troublmaker, and Torvaldr and shut that hole in your face. do a lil reasrech and investiagate things before looking like morons.

If your not intrested in AA or Trion, then I sugest you move on..

On a lighter note, I am very happy Trion has picked up AA, could not ask for a better company :)

Originally posted by vtravi
Hmm 30 levels of tutorial. How many players are gonna quite before they get through the tutorial. I only need about an hour to figure out how a game works. This seems excessive

And those are the guys who i dont party with, those who belive they know all. To be hardcore does not exclude you to enjoy the little things, and specially when learning your character.

Great news.

I love Archeage and I love Trion.

Best marriage ever!!!

I can't wait!!

Originally posted by nightscar

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by troublmaker

Not to rain in on people's parade but what makes Trion such an outstanding publisher?  They've published one game so far and it's had less than average success.

The other game they were publishing, End of Nations is no longer being developed... or has had severely delayed development.

That other game they're working on Defiance isn't out yet.

Crytek's Warface (which they're publishing) isn't out yet.

They don't really have an outstanding record as a publisher.

They really support their game and the community. From a gamer's perspective, what more could you ask for?

How have they really supported their game and community?  They pumped out content at a good pace for the first 18 months, then xpac, and now few months later?  Unless they can match their first 18 month pace then they were full of a lot of hot air and marketing bull.  So far they're not on pace.

The fact is they don't have an outsanding record as a publisher.  I can see being excited that EA isn't the publisher, but that's different than throwing accolades at Trion where they haven't earned them yet.

 

So you're saying that they've been slacking in the last six months in terms of updates to the game? They've patched the game over 50 times, and have made significant changes to the game 10 times. They're already gearing up for 2.2. This is all while developing and preparing for a major expansion.

 

What do you want from them? A reacharound and a sandwich after?

god I know right, some people are just sick and messed up in the head and cant stand when others are happy, 98% of the thead is all positive and then you have these 2 ..

I think you should do everyone a favor troublmaker, and Torvaldr and shut that hole in your face. do a lil reasrech and investiagate things before looking like morons.

If your not intrested in AA or Trion, then I sugest you move on..

 

On a lighter note, I am very happy Trion has picked up AA, could not ask for a better company :)

If you want to be one of the hivemind koolaid drinkers then be my guest.  You sound exactly like the GW2 hivemind from last summer.  Are we going to get your "why I quit" or "why I was wrong too" posts after your hype fails you?

Asking critical questions or questioning decisions should make you feel insecure at all unless there is something to actually worry about.  What are you worried about?

The problem with people that take your attitude is that you need everyone else to hoopla and dance too.  I never said I wasn't interested in ArcheAge or I thought Trion would fail.  I said Trion is unproven at this point and has mediocre success at best, with one major title.  As for Jake Song, I think he's one of the most brilliant designers in the genre.  Lineage was my first game and I can see a lot of his early design philosophies and ideas show up in ArcheAge.

Consider that and consider also that I'm not going to shut up so you can feel more cozy.  I'm not flaming and actually have points to my posts, unlike you.  Maybe you should consider that before you shoot your mouth off.

If you're very confident about your last sentence maybe you could tells us why you think XL couldn't ask for a better partnership.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Sandbox games can be very confusing to a new player. Dropping them into the deep end and telling them to learn to swim might work, but it's more effective to tutor them so they at least get a taste of the different activities before having to decide what they want to do.

Perfect solution, IMO.

 

 

How do you train someone used to theampark MMOs to play a Sandbox MMO without leading them so they feel fooled later when the guided game play poofs?