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News & Features Discussion  » [Review] Vanguard: Saga of Heroes: The F2P Review

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1/22/13 8:50:43 PM#101

Ftp has since changed, now all races and classes can be played to cap by ftp players, and as before most rare items are locked to ftp gamers but are unlockable through cs potions,  along with many many other things, new dungeons, reworked dungeons.

I for one like the new changes, and they are bringing lots of new players and lots of development dollars, the game is finally seeing some serious updates and fixxes for a change.


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1/25/13 4:21:06 AM#102
To cite crafting as one of the cons is ridiculous. And because it's a chore! You mean it has depth to it? God forbid a game gives us something to do apart from kill mobs hours on end. Over your head, woooosh!

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2/07/13 3:40:36 AM#103

Yeah, its a shame Vanguard can't get good reviews, because the game is really awesome and I'm glad its free/part of station access sub becuse it was one of the games that I had to give up after launch due to never working on my computer... 

It symbolizes what an MMO should be, an immersive highly complicated and time consuming world, not an easily beaten theme park that never updates with any new content and expects people to quit sub and return after expansion for about 3 months until they quit again... 

I love how the classes are different and not overly homogenized, and the in depth crafting/diplomacy is just so nice after all the other shallow mmos... 

What I'd like to see however is free to play with every restriction sold in shop, and just new content - zones/ quests / fluff / early access to content being in the shop... the sub could be premium early access and all game updates for free, while the free players would be paying for every game update to new quests/zones... 

Vanguard needs to add a lot more to that cash shop, they need to add a player studio like on EQ1/2, they need to add fluff outfits and fluff everything, especially house furniture people eat that stuff up... 

Houses and Furniture would net them a lot of money, some people love that stuff... I'd love it if games could be buy to play and actually keep producing content so that people don't get bored and quit, then they'd be able to keep selling all of that content off for sub/cash shop buyers, and keep a population... Free to play is the best thing right now, as there's way more of a population than ever before... 

I was sad when SWG was cancelled, even more heartbroken when SWToR turned out to be a theme park, and I seriously am worried about Vanguard, because it is the one game left that is like SWG... If only we could get another SWG made.... 



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2/26/13 9:05:37 AM#104

I gave this game another try and I’m very glad I did.  Just being able to explore and get lost in such a huge world is a satisfying experience.  The game runs just fine on my system under the balanced settings.  There is lag when changing zones or “chunks” but it’s not game breaking (to me).  Honestly, there’s nothing else like this game on the market for a sandbox (hybrid), PVE focused, high fantasy MMO.   Or some may prefer to call it a non instanced theme park.


 My only gripe is that you can’t experience the many dungeons unless you are part of a group or do it over level.  Oh, and being over level is no guarantee that you can beat the dungeon because the game can be quite challenging.   I fought my way to the end of one only to get owned by the boss.  Such is the life of a soloer in Vanguard.  If you choose that path you must accept the consequneces.


I admit that I am a loner and the game really rewards grouping over solo, but so far I’ve discovered more than enough content to keep a soloist happy.  I usually prefer “stealth grouping” meaning if I see someone in the area struggling in a fight, I enjoy helping out with some healing, dps or buffing, then going on my way.  This game has been great for this type of play with my Druid.


Despite my gripe, I wouldn’t want Vanguard to change its core concept because the established community is really nice and helpful overall.  Perhaps their need to overcome obstacles as a group is the reason.   Because I can’t solo the best content (which has the best gear), I’ll always keep my eye open if a similar game is developed that will truly let me play “my way”.  Until then, I am quite happy with this amazing game and maybe if I stumble across the right kind of crowd, I’ll join them for a good dungeon dive.


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2/26/13 9:13:52 AM#105
I really loved this game, but, absolutely hated the crafting. I think games should be fun, not frustrating. The crafting in Vanguard has too many components. This is the one area they really need to simplify.


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2/26/13 9:20:16 AM#106
Originally posted by Gaeluian
I really loved this game, but, absolutely hated the crafting. I think games should be fun, not frustrating. The crafting in Vanguard has too many components. This is the one area they really need to simplify.

well thats just matter of opinion. it is the same as if i did complain about pvp in game - simply because i am not a pvper (and therefore i usually dont enjoy pvp) and you are appearently not a crafter. as for myself, i think vanguard crafting process is the best i ever experienced in mmorpg.


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2/26/13 9:25:25 AM#107
well i did take a look at vanguard with new changes and it sorta pissed me off.they took away a lot of starting areas for races and that was enough for me to say no. was fun back in its days of glory had a 50 cleric which i enjoyed.

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2/26/13 9:37:59 AM#108
I've been wanting to try VG again for quite some time but I have a lot less time these days and not sure I'd want to resub. So if i wanted to jump back in and play around with my lvl 55 DE necro in red gear what would would I end up having to pay?


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2/26/13 9:45:26 AM#109

Originally posted by xamen

I've been wanting to try VG again for quite some time but I have a lot less time these days and not sure I'd want to resub. So if i wanted to jump back in and play around with my lvl 55 DE necro in red gear what would would I end up having to pay?


Nothing, equipped gear is usable regardless of how you subscribe. If you remove it though, you wont be able to reequip.


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2/26/13 4:28:43 PM#110
Good to know. Thanks for the answer.


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2/26/13 10:02:54 PM#111
Actually all your old char and their gear should be grandfathered so you should be able to remove and requip but any new gear you get that is yellow+ wont be useable without a sub or unlocker.

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2/26/13 10:15:37 PM#112
Yes all char gear if played before is unlocked. Vanguard is true free to play game everything is open other than some gear  in which case u can buy item unlocks in game with in game money so it is all free if  you put enough time into it. I love this game. People can hate on it as much as they want but this game has exploded in pop.

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3/25/13 4:58:10 AM#113
out of date.....f2p mode changed....more better now, one of the best f2p model and game...

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3/25/13 10:42:06 AM#114
Originally posted by crystevil
out of date.....f2p mode changed....more better now, one of the best f2p model and game...

It was already pretty much the best FTP model, this review was a joke...



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3/25/13 10:48:50 AM#115

in fairness, the review was done in october


Vanguard enhanced the ftp options 2 months ago, in January



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3/25/13 10:49:38 AM#116
Originally posted by Nadia

in fairness, the review was done in october


Vanguard enhanced the ftp options 2 months ago, in January


and it was a horrible review then too


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3/25/13 11:10:38 AM#117

Aesthetics 6/10 - Really ? Well if you run the game maxed out it still looks half decent and infact looks better than some MMOs that have been released recently.. All the texture have normal maps applied, they are all pretty high res textures as well, the view distance is pretty amazing, the active weather system works well.. i love watching a storm come in.. Well taking into account the game is 5 years old I think it still loks pretty good and deserves more than a 6. I could play this maxed out on my system without any performance issues at atll.

Intel i7@4.5ghz


Geforce 670 oc

Win7 x64



Longevity 6/10 - it sounds like your saying because it takes time to do things its not good? Questing is as good as any themepark MMO, crafting is pretty good plus the diplomacy is a nice addition.. the fact that certain things can take a lot of time is a godo thing not a bad thing.. Instant gratification is bad in mmos.


Value 6/10 - Really the only big restriction for f2p players are rare items, at the end of the day a company is there to make money they are basically giving you everything for free except for a few restrictions. If you are enjoynig the game enough to need to use rare items then you should really sub and show them your support.

(Just realised its an OLD review so ignore this as things have changed since the review)


Other than those few issues its not a bad re-review I think i would have had it at about 7.5/10

Wish SOE had spent more time on this game as with all the bugs fixed it would have been the best PVE themepark on the market..


My 3D models


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3/25/13 11:14:52 AM#118
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by crystevil
out of date.....f2p mode changed....more better now, one of the best f2p model and game...

It was already pretty much the best FTP model, this review was a joke...

+1 .. Great Game Great F2P model ..... obviously this reviewer has no clue , and really didnt explore or take the time to learn the F2P model in place and really discredits themselves and there erhmmm "Review"


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3/25/13 11:17:12 AM#119
Originally posted by Nadia

in fairness, the review was done in october


Vanguard enhanced the ftp options 2 months ago, in January


  There responsibility is to check this before posting the article , after all they had 2 months to follow up and ensure they are writing accurate and reliable information ...


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3/25/13 11:28:24 AM#120

Originally posted by xDayx

The review is based on someone with a "new normal" opinion of how the themeparks should be in there opinion. What they fail to see is that the mass-appeal market is saturated with rifts, gw2's, swtors, etc. We don't need another one of those. I will agree on the F2P being restrictive, that's the only thing they said right... But then again it's done typical Sony style.

the market is saturated with everything you mentioned except GW2. GW2 tried to break that point of saturation in a much different way. Besides SOE restrictive nature in f2p, the review also got the engine issues right, damn right. The engine where VG and EQ2 were made is just plain bad. I hope they arent using it for EQNext.

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