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  Rusque

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1/24/13 11:15:57 AM#41

Minecraft isn't a sandbox . . . it's a themepark with just one ride. A tedious boring ride at that.

Look, I loved playing with legos as a child (they're still kinda fun) but smashing and placing blocks for hours upon hours is not my definition of fun. And if any game dared to ask you to do something as repetitive as that in exchange for a castle or what have you, people would be up in arms over the "grindyness" of the quest.

  maplestone

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1/24/13 11:51:50 AM#42
Originally posted by Rusque

Minecraft isn't a sandbox . . . it's a themepark with just one ride.

I think you've made pretzels out of those definitions.

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 12:18:18 PM#43
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Minecraft does not have fun combat to me. It is a non-starter. And most player created content is crap. I have seen my sons playing it with his friends .. they can't pay me to play their "content".

Sure, there are those who create novelty like putting a WOW city into Minecraft, or create the Starship enterprise, but anyone who think it can replace WOW is smoking crack.

It is just a different kind of game. It is only for people who want to build stuff, not those who like progression/combat MMOs.

Well said. It's definitely a builder game, not for someone who enjoys combat, replayability, progression, PvP, pretty much anything that makes an MMO an MMO. It has it's strong points, but the glaring weaknesses make it not even really an option unless you just want to make a pretty house and fall in lava.

I don't think it should even be compared to a MMO. The goal is totally different. The comparison is pointless.

  ShakyMo

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1/24/13 12:23:07 PM#44
I like minecraft
But I like terraria more, especially in.multiplayer.

But some good points here, minecraft has way more right to be on here than all these arpgs and mobas.
  ShakyMo

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1/24/13 12:24:41 PM#45
Also spot the people who only played the free version with "its just playing with lego" type posts.
  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 12:26:03 PM#46
Originally posted by ShakyMo
I like minecraft
But I like terraria more, especially in.multiplayer.

But some good points here, minecraft has way more right to be on here than all these arpgs and mobas.

You support MMORPG.com include all sort of non-MMO online games (i.e. minecraft)? In that case, i agree with you.

  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

1/24/13 12:38:20 PM#47

Wow so much Minecraft hate.

Amazing how many people can look at Minecraft and throw their hands up saying "but there is nothing to do!"

Want a goal? Some progression? Get to and defeat the Ender Dragon.

But yeah, really is a game for builders.

Though multiplayer Stronghold clearing in the Nether is as much if not more fun than most any MMO dungeon run.

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  ShakyMo

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1/24/13 12:49:03 PM#48
Nari.

Minecraft is multiplayer.
There's even mods for it for stuff like rvr servers and what have you.

Minecraft and terraria have
Crafting
Pvp
Multiplayer
Housing
Support for lots more players on a server
Gear progression
Boss encounters
Endgame
Survival elements like food
Day night cycle
Near infinite sized persistent world.

that's way more mmo features than say diablo 3 or LOL.
  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 12:51:52 PM#49
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Nari.

Minecraft is multiplayer.
There's even mods for it for stuff like rvr servers and what have you.

Minecraft and terraria have
Crafting
Pvp
Multiplayer
Housing
Support for lots more players on a server
Gear progression
Boss encounters
Endgame
Survival elements like food
Day night cycle
Near infinite sized persistent world.

that's way more mmo features than say diablo 3 or LOL.

Sure .. but it is not a MMO, right? So my point stands. I agree to include non-MMO online games, and sure some with MMO features like D3 AH (Minecraft does not have a AH, does it?) in this website.

 

  ShakyMo

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1/24/13 12:58:03 PM#50
D3 would be a better game if it didn't have ah
  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 12:59:12 PM#51
Originally posted by ShakyMo
D3 would be a better game if it didn't have ah

That is a matter of opinion. I like the AH. But nevertheless of whether you like it or not, it is a MMO feature, is it not?

 

  cronius77

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1/24/13 1:11:13 PM#52

i have to agree with some posters as well minecraft should have its own forum here especially considering games like D3 and LOL have them which are not mmorpgs either.

Also people should check out blockscape http://www.blockscape.com/v2/ its minecraft with 3d graphics and a much deeper survival system coming in the next couple of weeks for its steam release. The game has a downloadable demo version now but its worth a look if you really enjoyed minecraft. I know Ill be buying it myself when its closer to release and out of beta.

  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 1:14:00 PM#53
Originally posted by cronius77

i have to agree with some posters as well minecraft should have its own forum here especially considering games like D3 and LOL have them which are not mmorpgs either.

Also people should check out blockscape http://www.blockscape.com/v2/ its minecraft with 3d graphics and a much deeper survival system coming in the next couple of weeks for its steam release. The game has a downloadable demo version now but its worth a look if you really enjoyed minecraft. I know Ill be buying it myself when its closer to release and out of beta.

There is another thread listing games included here that have no persistent world (and hence not MMOs). There are plenty. So while i don't like Minecraft, i think it should be included.

  wormywyrm

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1/24/13 2:06:53 PM#54

Minecraft is huge.  It is really popular, especially among kids.  I work with kids and you'd be surprised how many of the boys play minecraft.  They'll even come into the office playing it on their phones or tablets.

I agree with OP that its made fools of these AAA developers.  What a simplistic concept for a game, yet it has become so popular...  Why?  Because it allows players to use their imaginations, create their own content, and share that content with other players.  What a novel idea.  This is something MMORPGs should have been taking advantage of from day 1 but they are too foolish to do so instead they've followed the money:  single player on rail games and the popular WoW.

It would only require minor alterations to make minecraft a MMORPG, but it plays better as a 10-100 simulatenous player privately owned server based game because that allows individuality of servers and thus more options and gameplay time.

I have been previously addicted to minecraft and I literally am scared to play it again because I know that I won't be able to stop if I do...  I cannot say THAT about any MMORPG, ever, save SWG...   Although I know some people who can.

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  nariusseldon

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1/24/13 3:28:09 PM#55
Originally posted by wormywyrm

Minecraft is huge.  It is really popular, especially among kids.  I work with kids and you'd be surprised how many of the boys play minecraft.  They'll even come into the office playing it on their phones or tablets.

It is huge, but not anything more than any successful online game. My kids play Minecraft for a while, and now they move onto LOL.

So if you want to talk about online games that are more successful than MMOs, you should include LOL, Diablo 3, WOT and quite a few others. In fact, if you look at xfire numbers, minecraft is at #9 .. which is great .. but certainly not more "great" than COD4, BF3, D3, WOT, and of course LOL.

So why aren't we talking about LOL (which has more than 10M active users, more than minecraft) "makes fools of MMO companies"?

 

  Zarriya

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1/24/13 4:30:34 PM#56
Originally posted by Rusque

Minecraft isn't a sandbox . . . it's a themepark with just one ride. A tedious boring ride at that.

Look, I loved playing with legos as a child (they're still kinda fun) but smashing and placing blocks for hours upon hours is not my definition of fun. And if any game dared to ask you to do something as repetitive as that in exchange for a castle or what have you, people would be up in arms over the "grindyness" of the quest.

Rusque, did you ever play Minecraft with other people?  That is where it truly shines.  I have had so much fun with my guildmates playing this game on the side of our MMOs.  The creativity, fun and cooperative play is limitless.

 

  aRtFuLThinG

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1/24/13 4:59:19 PM#57
Originally posted by EccentricPenguin
minecraft also looks like an un-fun version of some backshelf b-title from the 20's.

 There is no computer (or even electronics) back in the 20s. If you are going to try to be sacastic, probably a good idea to least be a bit historically accurate (or at least not totally wrong or absurd) ;)

 

I agree with the OP, minecraft have outdone itself in ways that many big company mmos have not.

In terms of graphic... come on now, it is created by a one man army, seriously how much graphics do you really expect from such a conceptually simple but systematically complex game?

 

  wormywyrm

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1/24/13 5:01:37 PM#58
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by wormywyrm

Minecraft is huge.  It is really popular, especially among kids.  I work with kids and you'd be surprised how many of the boys play minecraft.  They'll even come into the office playing it on their phones or tablets.

It is huge, but not anything more than any successful online game. My kids play Minecraft for a while, and now they move onto LOL.

So if you want to talk about online games that are more successful than MMOs, you should include LOL, Diablo 3, WOT and quite a few others. In fact, if you look at xfire numbers, minecraft is at #9 .. which is great .. but certainly not more "great" than COD4, BF3, D3, WOT, and of course LOL.

So why aren't we talking about LOL (which has more than 10M active users, more than minecraft) "makes fools of MMO companies"?

I sometimes work with kids 5-10 years old, and I often ask them what games they play.  I do not mention any game in particular.  I have never had any of them tell me they play LOL or Diablo 3, but many play minecraft.

I am not very familiar with LOL, but it is my understanding that it is derived from custom maps going all the way back from warcraft 3 and starcraft 1.

Minecraft on the other hand, is an example of a very cheaply made recent multiplayer game that focuses on building/sandbox and has become incredibly successful.  Minecraft is not necessarly a new genre or even a new concept, but it does represent a type of game that MMOs could have evolved into 10-20 years ago but failed to.  Minecraft contrasts sharply with the MMO genre which has shifted away from virtual worlds and building and towards linear story driven content.  Hence why minecraft might 'make a fool' of a AAA MMO developer that is not hitting it big with their copy cat linear MMOs.

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  kadepsyson

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1/24/13 5:04:33 PM#59
Originally posted by EccentricPenguin
minecraft also looks like an un-fun version of some backshelf b-title from the 20's.

Minecraft has also sold over 6 times as many copies as Guild Wars 2.  Over 18 million last I looked.  So it is rather funny to me when people say it looks un-fun and like a terrible game from the past, when a new game with supposed innovation and quality graphics (lol culling fail), sells far, far less, while costing much more to both produce and purchase.

 

Yeah, Minecraft.  Better selling, more innovative, and far more influential than GW2.

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  apb2011

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1/24/13 5:10:50 PM#60

Why live artifically in a computer game when you can live in real life. The whole world is out there for you to create. There is so much land out there to build all these things you want in an artificial game. You can be affecting multitudes of real people in real life. Something in you says, "no you can't do it" find out what that thing is. You will discover that it is just an illusion.

Why live artificially?

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