Originally posted by Maephisto

We know so little about this game.  We havent even played the damn thing yet.

However, we have people who have formed absolute impressions/judgements of the game.

Sounds legit.  Let's at least wait for beta leaks and/or user reviews before making such threads.

They have crystal balls full of negative energy, can't you feel it? This site makes me feel depressed

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Vayman
If TESO was Exactly like tes single player it would hurt the series too. Why buy tes 6 set inside say elswher when you already have elswher in the mmo. Bethseda will want the mmo to be different to the single player, so people have a reason to play both games. as it should be we've all seen how shite solo orientated mmos like swtor are,

I think we're on the same line of thought here, actually. While I wouldn't expect an MMO to have the same featureset as a single player, it's my fear that the components that wereleft out of the MMO may not be replaced by anything that would set TESO off from the rest of the MMO market.

If the MMO feels generic - devoid of the "life" and "vibrance" that makes the single-player so appealing - there may not be many who play both.

Of course, it's all speculation. It's interesting that you mention SWTOR. During the years leading up to it's release, My inner Star Wars child managed to convince me that it will be a great and fully-featured MMO version of KOTOR. I'm getting a little deja-vu with TESO.

Either way, I'll watch the game's news and development, and will be happy to be wrong. I honestly hope it lives up to everyone's expectations.

I don't like Facebook integration being one of their four key design pillars. I don't like the world isn't seamless and that you can't enter the enemy's territory. I'm highly ambivalent of the megaserver concept. But let's see how it turns out in the end. I signed up for beta at least, and am somehow getting hyped.

After WAR,SWTOR and GW2 it seems I enjoy the pain.

Originally posted by Axxar

I don't like Facebook integration being one of their four key design pillars. I don't like the world isn't seamless and that you can't enter the enemy's territory. I'm highly ambivalent of the megaserver concept. But let's see how it turns out in the end. I signed up for beta at least, and am somehow getting hyped.

After WAR,SWTOR and GW2 it seems I enjoy the pain.

You cant enter enemy territory?  Why the hell not???  Why cant there be a pvp server with a ruleset that allows people to go into enemy territory?

damnit.....

Have they given any reason as to why they chose to lock down enemy territories from outsiders?  I hope it isn't an effort to protect pve'ers.

The game isnt even in beta, but it sucks? O.o

Gotta love these forums!

Originally posted by Daxamar

The game isnt even in beta, but it sucks? O.o

Gotta love these forums!

Locking races to factions + blocking off areas = sucks

Originally posted by Normandy7
The hardest part for Zenimax will be trying to conviince the diehard Elder Scrolls player to buy into the traditional theme park mmo setup.  I'm not convinced that will happen.

The hardest part for Elder Scroll fans will be trying to convince the devs at Zenimax to actually make an Elder Scrolls game.  Unfortantly this didn't happen.

What I think is funny is why should Zenimax have to convince Elder Scrolls fans to accept thier game.  Instead of designing an Elder Scrolls game they made another tradtiional theme part mmo, isn't there enough of them already?

Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

As a true TES fan I realise it doesn't look nor sound very promising at all, though the MMO player in me begs me to wait and see till I have a chance to play the product..

Hopes are low and I presume it will get pretty bloody after release. 

Please do not screw up TES!

I agree. The strongest points of the Elder Scrolls games is that they are free-roaming, open-ended, class-free sandboxes. Any MMORPG brought out under the Elder Scrolls IP that does not offer these things is going to crash hard.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Normandy7
The hardest part for Zenimax will be trying to conviince the diehard Elder Scrolls player to buy into the traditional theme park mmo setup.  I'm not convinced that will happen.

The hardest part for Elder Scroll fans will be trying to convince the devs at Zenimax to actually make an Elder Scrolls game.  Unfortantly this didn't happen.

What I think is funny is why should Zenimax have to convince Elder Scrolls fans to accept thier game.  Instead of designing an Elder Scrolls game they made another tradtiional theme part mmo, isn't there enough of them already?

I don't think Zenimax are just targeting TES fans. They are also after ex WoW, DAoC, WAR, GW2 players, PvPers etc.

Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by Rekindle

 

 

3.  Your sell out attitude.  Morrowind was revolutionary, Oblivion was decent, Skyrim (well, lets not talk about the pc verson).  This online game does not stand out, its not distinctive and nothing, absoutely nothing, about it is innovative.

Please elaborate... I have been playing Skyrim on PC without any problems since release and have over 900+ hours banked on my characters. Skyrim is the best Elder Scrolls yet bub.  You are in a small minority if you believe otherwise.

 

I agree, I have absolutely no idea what he was talking about. I have it on a PC with no Mods and it is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had since the Ninendo Legend of Zelda and the Baldur's Gate series.. The way they made the world feel alive and all the different paths you can take was nothing short of amazing. The only issue I have had is water stuttering as the rings of water move away from your body when SLI is enabled with my dual 580Ms. The game plays fine on the highest settings anyway without SLI. Ive seen some minor bugs, but nothing that made me think it wasn't worth playing. I think he is def in the minority.

I agree about the hype train, but there is nothing wrong with people being excited about something new to dive into.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Normandy7
The hardest part for Zenimax will be trying to conviince the diehard Elder Scrolls player to buy into the traditional theme park mmo setup.  I'm not convinced that will happen.

The hardest part for Elder Scroll fans will be trying to convince the devs at Zenimax to actually make an Elder Scrolls game.  Unfortantly this didn't happen.

What I think is funny is why should Zenimax have to convince Elder Scrolls fans to accept thier game.  Instead of designing an Elder Scrolls game they made another tradtiional theme part mmo, isn't there enough of them already?

Pardon the caps, but THE GAME ISN'T EVEN IN BETA YET! You can make no accusations about what sort of game has been made based on trailers and concept discussions. Provide me 1 shred of proof to support your claim of them making a "traditional theme part mmo". Please, do so. Until then, I'm staying hopefully optimistic for the game. Does that mean that I'm going to be blind to problems, no. It means I can hope that 2 companies (Zenimax and Bethesda) can work together to make a good game. So few people seem to remember that Bethesda is in the works as well on this game.

Originally posted by noncley

Originally posted by NL-Rikkert

As a true TES fan I realise it doesn't look nor sound very promising at all, though the MMO player in me begs me to wait and see till I have a chance to play the product..

Hopes are low and I presume it will get pretty bloody after release. 

Please do not screw up TES!

I agree. The strongest points of the Elder Scrolls games is that they are free-roaming, open-ended, class-free sandboxes. Any MMORPG brought out under the Elder Scrolls IP that does not offer these things is going to crash hard.

While ESO won't be completely free-roaming with the faction zones, the developer statements are all showing that it will still be an open-ended game. Furthermore, look at the history of The Elder Scrolls games. Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion all had classes!!! Only the most recent in a series of 5 was a classless game. How then can you claim that the entire Elder Scrolls game concept is hinged on being a classless sandbox? Yes ESO will have classes, but any class can wear any armor and use any weapon. Furthermore, you will have points just like in Skyrim for customization. So what if you pick some form of warrior at the beginning. You spend your customization points in magic if you want to. How is that so limiting that you're bringing it up as a valid complaint?

Last bit that I'm going to put out, do your research people.

Originally posted by drebian

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by Normandy7
The hardest part for Zenimax will be trying to conviince the diehard Elder Scrolls player to buy into the traditional theme park mmo setup.  I'm not convinced that will happen.

The hardest part for Elder Scroll fans will be trying to convince the devs at Zenimax to actually make an Elder Scrolls game.  Unfortantly this didn't happen.

What I think is funny is why should Zenimax have to convince Elder Scrolls fans to accept thier game.  Instead of designing an Elder Scrolls game they made another tradtiional theme part mmo, isn't there enough of them already?

Pardon the caps, but THE GAME ISN'T EVEN IN BETA YET! You can make no accusations about what sort of game has been made based on trailers and concept discussions. Provide me 1 shred of proof to support your claim of them making a "traditional theme part mmo". Please, do so. Until then, I'm staying hopefully optimistic for the game. Does that mean that I'm going to be blind to problems, no. It means I can hope that 2 companies (Zenimax and Bethesda) can work together to make a good game. So few people seem to remember that Bethesda is in the works as well on this game.

The combat, class, faction, punishment and quests systems would've translated.  Combat would have to be tweaked and I understand adding in an action bar but race/land locking is totally the wrong direction.   I'm also leery of talking to someone who automatically jumps to absurd conclusions - you either lack problem solving skills or just trying to play advocate.

Originally posted by Rekindle

 

1.  Paul Sage's video released back at the beginning of the announcement. Immediately, the video did not feel like a  hype video but a damage control video.  Nothing in the video convinced me that this would by a vision i could share in as an ESO.

 

2.  The cinematic trailer.  You wasted your money on a generic cinematic trailer.  The cinematic trailer for Ultima ONline is awesome but says/shows nothing about the game.  I personally feel fans would have been better served by a good game play video.  I think it should be clear what players want to see.  The fact you release this instead speaks volumes about the coming ineptedtude.

3.  Your sell out attitude.  Morrowind was revolutionary, Oblivion was decent, Skyrim (well, lets not talk about the pc verson).  This online game does not stand out, its not distinctive and nothing, absoutely nothing, about it is innovative.

4. What really seems to be happening here is someone has taken a box'd mmo and tryed to skin it as Elder scrolls.  I'm so sick of this and its why i only play Eve now.  They design the game then slap the IP on? Seriously?   This is suposed to be Elder Scrolls.  More generic crap with no thought put into creative character progression.   More levels? Seriously?  this has to be the new slogan for the game.

5.  I usually don't go out on the negative limb but from everything I see so far...The Elder Scrolls Online is off to a bad start and the company that you have implementing your generic MMO is completely and utterly releasing a generic mmo.

6.  This is not a vision of Elder Scrolls I can get behind.

 

You could go on treasure hunts and drop things on the ground in Ultima since launch, You of all people should have know Paul.

 

What a snooze fest!

Main problem with any game are people that ask "Why this game was/will be a major disappointment for me". If this will be your major disappointment .. great .. leave and do not return and do not bother all the rest. People like you with attitude like yours are being failures of many could be good games. Period.

Originally posted by daltanious

Originally posted by Rekindle

 

1.  Paul Sage's video released back at the beginning of the announcement. Immediately, the video did not feel like a  hype video but a damage control video.  Nothing in the video convinced me that this would by a vision i could share in as an ESO.

 

2.  The cinematic trailer.  You wasted your money on a generic cinematic trailer.  The cinematic trailer for Ultima ONline is awesome but says/shows nothing about the game.  I personally feel fans would have been better served by a good game play video.  I think it should be clear what players want to see.  The fact you release this instead speaks volumes about the coming ineptedtude.

3.  Your sell out attitude.  Morrowind was revolutionary, Oblivion was decent, Skyrim (well, lets not talk about the pc verson).  This online game does not stand out, its not distinctive and nothing, absoutely nothing, about it is innovative.

4. What really seems to be happening here is someone has taken a box'd mmo and tryed to skin it as Elder scrolls.  I'm so sick of this and its why i only play Eve now.  They design the game then slap the IP on? Seriously?   This is suposed to be Elder Scrolls.  More generic crap with no thought put into creative character progression.   More levels? Seriously?  this has to be the new slogan for the game.

5.  I usually don't go out on the negative limb but from everything I see so far...The Elder Scrolls Online is off to a bad start and the company that you have implementing your generic MMO is completely and utterly releasing a generic mmo.

6.  This is not a vision of Elder Scrolls I can get behind.

 

You could go on treasure hunts and drop things on the ground in Ultima since launch, You of all people should have know Paul.

 

What a snooze fest!

Main problem with any game are people that ask "Why this game was/will be a major disappointment for me". If this will be your major disappointment .. great .. leave and do not return and do not bother all the rest. People like you with attitude like yours are being failures of many could be good games. Period.

Players who have been around long enough to experience various phases of the (de-) evolution of this Genre have hi expectations. 

Honestly, i'm glad that there are a lot of people out there that can find enjoyment with the current crop of mmos.  Frankly, the farce this genre has turned into makes me ill.  The item shops, the same tired old game play over and over.

Forgive an experienced gamer when they look towards a studio (and their partners) for something a bit more innovation and RGP pure.  For years tehre were a bunch of us waiting for TESO to come and be TES Online.

Instead we're getting WoW in TES clothing.

Should I be "happy"?  Should I not voice my opinion on the subject? I'm pretty sure I'm not offending anyone by talking about the game (there are lots of sensitives on these forums).  Maybe you're the one who should leave my thread and let me talk about why I think this game has problems.  There are lots of forums  you can go and talk about how lovely the game is.

Pure TES players should be let down by this anmd if they are going for a bite of the WoW pie then shame on them for copying/selling out.

And yes Skyrim on the PC was nothing more then a complete port from teh xbox. the UI is clunky and terrible on a PC.  And also, on a pc Skyrim had signifcant performance issues.  Again, my expectations are different than yours.  That does not mean someone should  go away.

Originally posted by Rekindle

Originally posted by daltanious

Originally posted by Rekindle

 

1.  Paul Sage's video released back at the beginning of the announcement. Immediately, the video did not feel like a  hype video but a damage control video.  Nothing in the video convinced me that this would by a vision i could share in as an ESO.

 

2.  The cinematic trailer.  You wasted your money on a generic cinematic trailer.  The cinematic trailer for Ultima ONline is awesome but says/shows nothing about the game.  I personally feel fans would have been better served by a good game play video.  I think it should be clear what players want to see.  The fact you release this instead speaks volumes about the coming ineptedtude.

3.  Your sell out attitude.  Morrowind was revolutionary, Oblivion was decent, Skyrim (well, lets not talk about the pc verson).  This online game does not stand out, its not distinctive and nothing, absoutely nothing, about it is innovative.

4. What really seems to be happening here is someone has taken a box'd mmo and tryed to skin it as Elder scrolls.  I'm so sick of this and its why i only play Eve now.  They design the game then slap the IP on? Seriously?   This is suposed to be Elder Scrolls.  More generic crap with no thought put into creative character progression.   More levels? Seriously?  this has to be the new slogan for the game.

5.  I usually don't go out on the negative limb but from everything I see so far...The Elder Scrolls Online is off to a bad start and the company that you have implementing your generic MMO is completely and utterly releasing a generic mmo.

6.  This is not a vision of Elder Scrolls I can get behind.

 

You could go on treasure hunts and drop things on the ground in Ultima since launch, You of all people should have know Paul.

 

What a snooze fest!

Main problem with any game are people that ask "Why this game was/will be a major disappointment for me". If this will be your major disappointment .. great .. leave and do not return and do not bother all the rest. People like you with attitude like yours are being failures of many could be good games. Period.

Players who have been around long enough to experience various phases of the (de-) evolution of this Genre have hi expectations. 

Honestly, i'm glad that there are a lot of people out there that can find enjoyment with the current crop of mmos.  Frankly, the farce this genre has turned into makes me ill.  The item shops, the same tired old game play over and over.

 

Forgive an experienced gamer when they look towards a studio (and their partners) for something a bit more innovation and RGP pure.  For years tehre were a bunch of us waiting for TESO to come and be TES Online.

Instead we're getting WoW in TES clothing.

 

Should I be "happy"?  Should I not voice my opinion on the subject? I'm pretty sure I'm not offending anyone by talking about the game (there are lots of sensitives on these forums).  Maybe you're the one who should leave my thread and let me talk about why I think this game has problems.  There are lots of forums  you can go and talk about how lovely the game is.

 

Pure TES players should be let down by this anmd if they are going for a bite of the WoW pie then shame on them for copying/selling out.

 

And yes Skyrim on the PC was nothing more then a complete port from teh xbox. the UI is clunky and terrible on a PC.  And also, on a pc Skyrim had signifcant performance issues.  Again, my expectations are different than yours.  That does not mean someone should  go away.

I was going to post what you just did, but now I don't have to. Thanks.

Originally posted by Rekindle

Originally posted by daltanious

 

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Should I be "happy"?  Should I not voice my opinion on the subject? I'm pretty sure I'm not offending anyone by talking about the game (there are lots of sensitives on these forums).  Maybe you're the one who should leave my thread and let me talk about why I think this game has problems.  There are lots of forums  you can go and talk about how lovely the game is.

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Is not problem of voicing your opinion. But is big difference if somebody voice it did not like some game and if somebody chases every possible forum and flames over game, how bad it is, every one should stop playing it ... etc etc.

I had very bad experience (mainly) with Rappelz and Aion, I might speak in some forum about that ... but that it is. Then I will forget about that game, will not go on their official forums or any dedicated forums. But many players it looks make scope of their life spitting and shitting on some game over and over at any possible time and place. I was referring to that kind of people.