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  xpowderx

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1/19/13 5:27:26 AM#41

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

Success is your proof;
courage is your armour;
go on, go on, in my strength;
& ye shall turn not back for any!
— Liber AL III:46

  theniffrig

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Ooh, they have the internet on computers now.

1/19/13 8:18:07 AM#42
Secondly, I really don't care that every other person out there can play as the same hero as me, I don't even care if they're doing it while on my team. Fact is, ~I~ can play as my favorite hero, that suits (pun) me just fine. Worry less about what other people are doing with their time.

QFT.

I think this superhero MMO will be more successful than the others that came before it simply because you can play as the Iconic Marvel Heroes instead of having to create basic rip-offs of existing characters in a character creator.

  nariusseldon

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1/21/13 12:52:15 AM#43
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

  xpowderx

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1/23/13 6:48:50 PM#44
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

Success is your proof;
courage is your armour;
go on, go on, in my strength;
& ye shall turn not back for any!
— Liber AL III:46

  Yizle

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1/23/13 7:18:40 PM#45
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

How is this a console game? Nothing I have seen in the gameplay videos supports this. Controls with the mouse targeting and powers looks like Diablo. Also show me a list of the limited skill sets? Need a link to that.

  xpowderx

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1/23/13 9:41:29 PM#46
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

How is this a console game? Nothing I have seen in the gameplay videos supports this. Controls with the mouse targeting and powers looks like Diablo. Also show me a list of the limited skill sets? Need a link to that.

Diablo :-D

Success is your proof;
courage is your armour;
go on, go on, in my strength;
& ye shall turn not back for any!
— Liber AL III:46

  Arcona

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Joined: 3/30/04
Posts: 1166

1/24/13 12:04:12 PM#47
Originally posted by xpowderx

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

Marvel Heroes has limited character customization? Why you think that?

David Breivik say it has spec trees kinda like Diablo 2 that changes the way a hero play, like he did with Diablo 2 skill trees, where you could make a bow amazon, or spear amazon that played completely different

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19248

1/24/13 1:46:56 PM#48
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

How is this a console game? Nothing I have seen in the gameplay videos supports this. Controls with the mouse targeting and powers looks like Diablo. Also show me a list of the limited skill sets? Need a link to that.

Diablo :-D

Yeah you just made his point. Diablo is a PC game, not a console. game.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19248

1/24/13 1:49:20 PM#49
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by xpowderx

Marvel should stick to movies, comic books and toys til they figure out what a mmorpg is all about! They know how to spend money on advertising. It is sad for Marvel Heroes to be called a mmorpg when its nothing more than a converted console game with multiplayer features added.

This is a very dissappointing title!

wait .. you are disappointed before you know if the game is fun? Why should i care what it is called? If it is a GOOD console game with multiplayer features, what is the problem?

Actually, many games are fun(Torchlight , Call of Duty, is very fun!).  Many of those games are not MMORPG's. As the original poster stated. This IMO is not a mmorpg(which is the point). It is a console game with limited character customization and or skill sets. With added multiplayer functions. Even single player rpgs offer more customization than this title.

hmm ... which one? Diablo 3 has 5 classes, all with different looks and powers. Diablo has 3. Torchlight 1 has 3. D2 has 5.

MH has 26 heroes .. each with multiple costumes. Just by counting, i don't see MH has fewer customization. Even Marvel Ultimate Alliance has only 20 heroes, and MUA does not have different skill trees for each hero.

 

  Arcona

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1/25/13 4:35:57 PM#50

I really hope Marvel Heroes will be great, it has awesome universe, we have played fantasy to death now :)

also, did I mention Diablo and Diablo 2 lead designer is behind it :)

we will see in 2-3 months.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 19248

1/27/13 2:26:06 PM#51
Originally posted by Arcona

I really hope Marvel Heroes will be great, it has awesome universe, we have played fantasy to death now :)

also, did I mention Diablo and Diablo 2 lead designer is behind it :)

we will see in 2-3 months.

I am cautious optimistic. If it is half as fun as Marvel Ultimate Alliance, it will be a good game. And the best part, it is F2P, so i don't have to pay a cent to find out.

  Eleonel

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Joined: 1/31/13
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1/31/13 3:13:33 AM#52

I agree with the above post 100%, MUA was my favorite console game and Legends my favorite psp game. If this game is anything like it, which it looks to be, it will be epic. However,  I see some nit pickers on here complain about a few things that don't make sense.

1st - No character creation!!? Uhm, no idiots (I meant it in a nice way). It's a MARVEL game, why would they want you to create a totally random character in that universe for no good reason, there are so many characters in that universe to play and haven't even seen the light of day. Not to mention so many character archs and histroy to draw from. Add a whole bunch of random wannabe's into that and you get a bad story that won't be submersive because they'd have to generalize it for the thousands of players or not include you in it. I'm so glad Marvel had the balls to say no to what every mmo tries to do and make it all about them! I'm just getting started, hold up!

Most of the people who complain about no character creation, will go and create a Spiderman, Thor, Wolverine wannabe anyway!  Will the real slim shady please stand up? ughh...Only a few of you actually sit down and try to come up with something unique. Sure I love the idea of coming up with my backstory and creating a character from scratch, but I can play superhero mmo's like champions online for that. My main problem with DCUO is that I wanted to play Superman but had to create a kncok off instead. (With ice powers?) That $hit cray! See, even with a game with customization, you will not always get what you want. It's DCUO, why can't I be one of the many different Supermans they have? Or Batmans (BEYOND would have been awesome!!!). Do you expect to play a created character when you start playing Arkham Asylum? No, it's all about being Batman, you know his strengths, weaknesses, backstory, you don't have to play a nobody. Not to mention that when pvp is added to Marvel Heroes, because I know it will, you shouldn't be mad at all the Spidey's running around as long as you're the best. :) Compete to be the best Spidey? Isn't that more fulfilling than being the best sidekick6969?

I may be wrong and I'm open to opinions but I think a game like this will stomp DCUO because there is factual stories from the comics and actual heroes with a background being played. Besides, you get to spec into the powers you want and select your costumes so there will be diversity. one Storm might specialize in wind push back abilities while the other stuns you with lightning. (bad example but you get it) Like I said, there will be many copies but only one can triumph. :)

2nd - No open world!? My answer to that is play MUA. Tell me if it took away from the exploration or gaming experience. I rather have 10 detailed decently sized levels like the ones we've seen than going to Deepholm and questing in WoW. Sorry but it's just too much land for no reason, too many useless grinding and random quests. I rather have a focused story with cutscenes. The only thing I don't like is that levels are chosen at random, I hope you get to choose them in endgame just cuz you feel like going to Jurassic Park or w.e that level is called, you know what I meant...

  nariusseldon

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1/31/13 2:19:56 PM#53
Originally posted by Eleonel

I agree with the above post 100%, MUA was my favorite console game and Legends my favorite psp game. If this game is anything like it, which it looks to be, it will be epic. However,  I see some nit pickers on here complain about a few things that don't make sense.

1st - No character creation!!? Uhm, no idiots (I meant it in a nice way). It's a MARVEL game, why would they want you to create a totally random character in that universe for no good reason, there are so many characters in that universe to play and haven't even seen the light of day. Not to mention so many character archs and histroy to draw from. Add a whole bunch of random wannabe's into that and you get a bad story that won't be submersive because they'd have to generalize it for the thousands of players or not include you in it. I'm so glad Marvel had the balls to say no to what every mmo tries to do and make it all about them! I'm just getting started, hold up!

Most of the people who complain about no character creation, will go and create a Spiderman, Thor, Wolverine wannabe anyway!  Will the real slim shady please stand up? ughh...Only a few of you actually sit down and try to come up with something unique. Sure I love the idea of coming up with my backstory and creating a character from scratch, but I can play superhero mmo's like champions online for that. My main problem with DCUO is that I wanted to play Superman but had to create a kncok off instead. (With ice powers?) That $hit cray! See, even with a game with customization, you will not always get what you want. It's DCUO, why can't I be one of the many different Supermans they have? Or Batmans (BEYOND would have been awesome!!!). Do you expect to play a created character when you start playing Arkham Asylum? No, it's all about being Batman, you know his strengths, weaknesses, backstory, you don't have to play a nobody. Not to mention that when pvp is added to Marvel Heroes, because I know it will, you shouldn't be mad at all the Spidey's running around as long as you're the best. :) Compete to be the best Spidey? Isn't that more fulfilling than being the best sidekick6969?

I may be wrong and I'm open to opinions but I think a game like this will stomp DCUO because there is factual stories from the comics and actual heroes with a background being played. Besides, you get to spec into the powers you want and select your costumes so there will be diversity. one Storm might specialize in wind push back abilities while the other stuns you with lightning. (bad example but you get it) Like I said, there will be many copies but only one can triumph. :)

2nd - No open world!? My answer to that is play MUA. Tell me if it took away from the exploration or gaming experience. I rather have 10 detailed decently sized levels like the ones we've seen than going to Deepholm and questing in WoW. Sorry but it's just too much land for no reason, too many useless grinding and random quests. I rather have a focused story with cutscenes. The only thing I don't like is that levels are chosen at random, I hope you get to choose them in endgame just cuz you feel like going to Jurassic Park or w.e that level is called, you know what I meant...

Yeah.

1) I also think it is going to be good to actually play spiderman and ironman. I actually made an ironman look alike in DCUO .. and i would much rather playing the real one. No one says you have to design your own character in every RPG. In lots of Japanese RPG, you don't even get to pick your name.

2) Not every game needs an open world. I don't see how an open world can add significantly to this kind of super hero small group adventure. In fact, it would be odd to see 100 super heroes in a big war. It is much more conforming to lore to see a few heroes against hordes of enemies, and a few bosses.

  RefMinor

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1/31/13 2:28:09 PM#54
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Eleonel

I agree with the above post 100%, MUA was my favorite console game and Legends my favorite psp game. If this game is anything like it, which it looks to be, it will be epic. However,  I see some nit pickers on here complain about a few things that don't make sense.

1st - No character creation!!? Uhm, no idiots (I meant it in a nice way). It's a MARVEL game, why would they want you to create a totally random character in that universe for no good reason, there are so many characters in that universe to play and haven't even seen the light of day. Not to mention so many character archs and histroy to draw from. Add a whole bunch of random wannabe's into that and you get a bad story that won't be submersive because they'd have to generalize it for the thousands of players or not include you in it. I'm so glad Marvel had the balls to say no to what every mmo tries to do and make it all about them! I'm just getting started, hold up!

Most of the people who complain about no character creation, will go and create a Spiderman, Thor, Wolverine wannabe anyway!  Will the real slim shady please stand up? ughh...Only a few of you actually sit down and try to come up with something unique. Sure I love the idea of coming up with my backstory and creating a character from scratch, but I can play superhero mmo's like champions online for that. My main problem with DCUO is that I wanted to play Superman but had to create a kncok off instead. (With ice powers?) That $hit cray! See, even with a game with customization, you will not always get what you want. It's DCUO, why can't I be one of the many different Supermans they have? Or Batmans (BEYOND would have been awesome!!!). Do you expect to play a created character when you start playing Arkham Asylum? No, it's all about being Batman, you know his strengths, weaknesses, backstory, you don't have to play a nobody. Not to mention that when pvp is added to Marvel Heroes, because I know it will, you shouldn't be mad at all the Spidey's running around as long as you're the best. :) Compete to be the best Spidey? Isn't that more fulfilling than being the best sidekick6969?

I may be wrong and I'm open to opinions but I think a game like this will stomp DCUO because there is factual stories from the comics and actual heroes with a background being played. Besides, you get to spec into the powers you want and select your costumes so there will be diversity. one Storm might specialize in wind push back abilities while the other stuns you with lightning. (bad example but you get it) Like I said, there will be many copies but only one can triumph. :)

2nd - No open world!? My answer to that is play MUA. Tell me if it took away from the exploration or gaming experience. I rather have 10 detailed decently sized levels like the ones we've seen than going to Deepholm and questing in WoW. Sorry but it's just too much land for no reason, too many useless grinding and random quests. I rather have a focused story with cutscenes. The only thing I don't like is that levels are chosen at random, I hope you get to choose them in endgame just cuz you feel like going to Jurassic Park or w.e that level is called, you know what I meant...

Yeah.

1) I also think it is going to be good to actually play spiderman and ironman. I actually made an ironman look alike in DCUO .. and i would much rather playing the real one. No one says you have to design your own character in every RPG. In lots of Japanese RPG, you don't even get to pick your name.

2) Not every game needs an open world. I don't see how an open world can add significantly to this kind of super hero small group adventure. In fact, it would be odd to see 100 super heroes in a big war. It is much more conforming to lore to see a few heroes against hordes of enemies, and a few bosses.

I don't think this game will be fun for me, I like open worlds with things to do in them

  Eleonel

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1/31/13 2:54:02 PM#55

It's more like open levels, you still get to explore them and fly around. You know how you can't go and fly from Metropolis to Gotham in DCUO? I think that's how the levels will be set here, you won't be able to fly to these locations but once you're teleported there you can still explore. You might even get more area overall to explore when you add all the maps together. They already have like 5 or more and they must have a few others in the works.

Think of it this way, in DCUO you get to see Metropolis and Gotham, nice. In Marvel Heroes you get to see Hell's Kitchen, Dino Land(?), Avenger's Tower, Manhattan, The prison for naughty villains (name leaves me) and I bet a few more by the time the game is released. I think with new expansions they will add a few more areas to explore as well so if exploring is a main concern it won't be an issue. I guess if you want a big sandbox than this isn't for you though.

  GoldenArrow

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1/31/13 3:06:17 PM#56

Failure?

I think the idea is great.

I'ts your typical Diablo clone with constantly adding new classes/content.

  nariusseldon

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1/31/13 7:37:48 PM#57
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Failure?

I think the idea is great.

I'ts your typical Diablo clone with constantly adding new classes/content.

Plus playing as Marvel characters. That is a big plus.

  nariusseldon

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1/31/13 7:38:31 PM#58
Originally posted by Eleonel

It's more like open levels, you still get to explore them and fly around. You know how you can't go and fly from Metropolis to Gotham in DCUO? I think that's how the levels will be set here, you won't be able to fly to these locations but once you're teleported there you can still explore. You might even get more area overall to explore when you add all the maps together. They already have like 5 or more and they must have a few others in the works.

Think of it this way, in DCUO you get to see Metropolis and Gotham, nice. In Marvel Heroes you get to see Hell's Kitchen, Dino Land(?), Avenger's Tower, Manhattan, The prison for naughty villains (name leaves me) and I bet a few more by the time the game is released. I think with new expansions they will add a few more areas to explore as well so if exploring is a main concern it won't be an issue. I guess if you want a big sandbox than this isn't for you though.

Aren't they going to have random levels like Diablo?

  Eleonel

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1/31/13 8:41:56 PM#59

Yeah they said something about random levels, I wish I knew more about Diablo gameplay as it would give me a great idea on what to expect but I don't.

From all the video's i saw the levels aren't exactly small and there are little instances you can access while in those levels.

They said someting about the same level changing around each time you enter it? In order to keep players from knowing where everything is in each level after they've played it through a few times.  

I'd have to look up the video where they mention this.

  Eleonel

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2/01/13 1:24:24 AM#60

Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFW5JguKE1Y&feature=player_embedded

Go to the 7 minute mark, they talk a little about zones. But I hope some of you watch the whole video as a lot of questions will be answered. There are 4 parts to that video and that is the first, there is a lot of gameplay footage. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th is with David Brevik who answers many questions. 

 

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