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  aRtFuLThinG

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1/23/13 6:12:52 PM#41
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

From what I see from list of game to be released in 2013 the only rival is TESO... we shall see

Do not underestimate The Repopulation. My old SWG guild members (some are playing SWTOR) are chomping at the bit to play it. It's looking like it will be another SWG style MMO...finally.

not everybody likes SWG style MMOs

I liked SWG because I like Star Wars...

And The Repopulation is far from Star Wars. I am sure it will be a Heaven for sanbox fans, if it will meet their sky high expectations...

 To me SWG feels more Star Wars than SWTOR anyday.

 

I think it really depends on what aspect each fan like most about Star Wars - it seems to me the people who like bounty hunter and smugglers type of character (freedom of action and ownership of properties and ships) seems to favour SWG type of gameplay, where is people who like lightsabers (questing and fighting) seems to like SWTOR more.

 

Repopulation is a story that we will just ahve to wait and see since it is not even in beta yet, there is really no point in pre-judging something base on 0 information imo.

  ignore_me

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1/23/13 6:14:17 PM#42
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

From what I see from list of game to be released in 2013 the only rival is TESO... we shall see

Do not underestimate The Repopulation. My old SWG guild members (some are playing SWTOR) are chomping at the bit to play it. It's looking like it will be another SWG style MMO...finally.

not everybody likes SWG style MMOs

I liked SWG because I like Star Wars...

And The Repopulation is far from Star Wars. I am sure it will be a Heaven for sanbox fans, if it will meet their sky high expectations...

Not to derail, but us SWG peeps need to back off the expectations of TR being the successor to SWG. It will live as it's own thing, or it will die. The TR team are starting to tamp this down a bit on their own.

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  Ryowulf

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1/23/13 6:15:57 PM#43
At first I was like WTF? Then I realized he was being sarcastic. 
  erictlewis

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

1/23/13 6:16:38 PM#44
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Makeb looks really promissing and population is very healthy... will it own 2013? We will see. it all depends how Makeb will do and how many content updates we will get.

This post brought haters back strong I see... some of you I even did not recognize LOL

From what I see from list of game to be released in 2013 the only rival is TESO... we shall see

Ok then why do we see this and its been like this at least the past week every day

 

The Harbinger »  ø 2.61 +0.08 98.04 % PvE West
 Begeren Colony »  ø 2.45 -0.01 98.12 % RP PvE West
 Jedi Covenant »  ø 2.29 -0.05 98.10 % PvE East
 The Ebon Hawk »  ø 2.28 -0.05 98.12 % RP PvE East
 Prophecy of the Five »  ø 2.20 -0.08 98.12 % PvP East
 The Shadowlands »  ø 2.20 -0.07 98.12 % PvE East
 The Bastion »  ø 2.08 -0.02 98.12 % PvP West
 Jung Ma »  ø 1.91 -0.01 98.12 % RP PvP East
 Corellian Run »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East
 The Fatman »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvP East
 Canderous Ordo »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East
 Drooga's Pleasure Barge »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE West
 High Population Server Test »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East

  Overall Change   -0.21
 
  Volgore

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1/23/13 6:17:39 PM#45
Another propaganda piece pro Bioware/EA SWTOR on mmorpg.com...who is surprised anymore?
  ignore_me

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1/23/13 6:18:26 PM#46

I do agree that a giant space game filled with options would do much for this game. A long as it ran well and was pretty much the opposite of the rest of the game.

Then they could say: The rest of it was just supposed to be a minigame!

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  GrayGhost79

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1/23/13 6:26:08 PM#47

lol... I thought this was going to be a Satire piece, but alas it was not. 

 

There really isn't any hope of SWTOR "Owning 2013", at this point with the steady decline its seeing even with an expansion nearing its not overly likely to survive. 

 

1) The cash shop would need to be reworked

2) Variety in content would need to be expanded upon. Things like adding both Pazaak and Racing would go a long way. 

3) Opening up space

 

And this is just stuff needed to surviving 2013 and its not likely they are going to even be willing to do this. It's going to take time, money, and eating a bit of humble pie.

  Lesrach

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1/23/13 6:27:15 PM#48

I came back to SWToR just resently and the game is very well live and kicking. And I had a good time levelling my second char to 50.

I also thought few months after launch when I left the game that "let it rot and die fast" but I started to miss SW-universe now that time passes and grabbed the only mmo option I new, again. To my suprise I had a blast. Strange thing what alive servers and time off can do to a game.

I feel so many here are still b-hurt that bioware didn't deliver SWG2 etc for them, I understand I was too. But SWToR is a good game for being a wow clone with new skin. What it sadly isn't is this deep Star Wars universe MMORPG, open, Sandbox, skillbased, housing with all planets alive, I could go on.

SWToR gives me nice leveling story, char-progression and pvping in Warzones every now and then and that it does well.

  Sevenstar61

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1/23/13 6:32:06 PM#49
Originally posted by erictlewis
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Makeb looks really promissing and population is very healthy... will it own 2013? We will see. it all depends how Makeb will do and how many content updates we will get.

This post brought haters back strong I see... some of you I even did not recognize LOL

From what I see from list of game to be released in 2013 the only rival is TESO... we shall see

Ok then why do we see this and its been like this at least the past week every day

 

The Harbinger »  ø 2.61 +0.08 98.04 % PvE West
 Begeren Colony »  ø 2.45 -0.01 98.12 % RP PvE West
 Jedi Covenant »  ø 2.29 -0.05 98.10 % PvE East
 The Ebon Hawk »  ø 2.28 -0.05 98.12 % RP PvE East
 Prophecy of the Five »  ø 2.20 -0.08 98.12 % PvP East
 The Shadowlands »  ø 2.20 -0.07 98.12 % PvE East
 The Bastion »  ø 2.08 -0.02 98.12 % PvP West
 Jung Ma »  ø 1.91 -0.01 98.12 % RP PvP East
 Corellian Run »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East
 The Fatman »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvP East
 Canderous Ordo »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East
 Drooga's Pleasure Barge »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE West
 High Population Server Test »  ø 0.00 0.00 0.00 % PvE East

  Overall Change   -0.21
 

LOL... go ahead and log in and check population of the game. You might be very surprised.

More people will start to show up with 1.7 and Makeb coming. I log every day and I do no see any significant differences in population. Starting planets are packed. Fleet have at least 2 instances all the time... even at 3 AM in the morning on weekends. Even higher planets have several instances now.


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  ignore_me

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1/23/13 6:32:51 PM#50
Originally posted by Lesrach

I came back to SWToR just resently and the game is very well live and kicking. And I had a good time levelling my second char to 50.

I also thought few months after launch when I left the game that "let it rot and die fast" but I started to miss SW-universe now that time passes and grabbed the only mmo option I new, again. To my suprise I had a blast. Strange thing what alive servers and time off can do to a game.

I feel so many here are still b-hurt that bioware didn't deliver SWG2 etc for them, I understand I was too. But SWToR is a good game for being a wow clone with new skin. What it sadly isn't is this deep Star Wars universe MMORPG, open, Sandbox, skillbased, housing with all planets alive, I could go on.

SWToR gives me nice leveling story, char-progression and pvping in Warzones every now and then and that it does well.

yep, and if this game wasn't star wars you would have left it in the dust.

The cartel store is a way to try and pay ransom to keep the SW IP alive with a game. Stockholm syndrome.  

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  black_isle

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1/23/13 6:35:17 PM#51
Come on man, i'm not saying the game is dead or anything, it still has it's fans and audience but owning 2013? Come on... :)
  faefrost

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1/23/13 6:43:02 PM#52

Wow! SWTOR own 2013? Bad news bunky. They are still paying back the underwater mortgage from 2011 and 2012. SWTOR CAN'T release a massive boxed expansion. It cost too much to develop the game initially for which they got virtually pitance back in sales and subs. Some estimates put development costs at roughly a half a billion US dollars. Even a game that is doing reasonably well f2p cash shop can't dig out from under that anytime soon. Even a small expansion would mean dumping at least another $100 mil on top of that. (All those messy voice actors). And who do you think would provide 10's or hundreds of millions in financing for a SWTOR expansion pack at this point? Venture capitalists are starting to view MMO's (that aren't called WoW) like the plague. 

Right now there is nothing that the developers can do or propose or change that will have any impact good or bad on SWTOR. It is entirely in the realm of the accountants and business people. Does EA take a bigger hit by axing SWTOR and tanking Bioware's rep? VS what they can get back treating SWTOR as a tax right off? I don't believe there is any mathmatical way that SWTOR could turn a profit at this point. It's just in what way it ends up as a less damaging loss.

  Ryowulf

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1/23/13 6:57:14 PM#53

SWToR's biggest most hyped feature is also its Acillics heel.  I don't know how much money it would cost to voice act another 10 levels for all the classes on both factions, but I doubt its a small number.

I think EA is looking for some short term profits, because they don't plan on keeping this game viable in the long run. That makes the most sense with how they have done ftp, this tiny upcoming expansion, the endless promises of "we are working on this or that...for the furture."

Some people are pointing to server numbers as if that equals $$$, but how many people are playing for free? How many out of those that do spend are spending more than 15 a month?

Is there enough people spending money to dig this game out of its hole and be appealing enough for EA to keep around?

I don't know, but I doubt it.

  Beyorn

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1/23/13 6:57:44 PM#54

These are the things I would love to see:

  1. Continuing of class stories
  2. Bug Fixes
  3. Being able to use Companions more,  have them become a greater part of the story, right now I use only one and the rest are left on the ship to rot
  PieRad

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1/23/13 7:03:00 PM#55

mmorpg.com staff, you should read rules of conduct, no baiting allowed.

You trolls, you.

  xpowderx

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1/23/13 7:03:11 PM#56

I miss my Powertech. The issue with SWTOR is too much theme park. You play through it once and your done. I agree with Mike on the point that Bioware needs to constantly add expansions. If SWTOR had more of a open world/worlds the need for a expansion would be less.

Would be nice to see Bioware expand on PVP. PVP in SWTOR is quite fun! It is SWTOR's real strong point. Towards my end of my SWTOR experience I only logged in to pvp.

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  Yizle

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1/23/13 7:07:24 PM#57
Originally posted by PieRad

mmorpg.com staff, you should read rules of conduct, no baiting allowed.

You trolls, you.

lolz

  WahrHeit

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1/23/13 7:10:11 PM#58
so...this is mmotroll.com?
  McGamer

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1/23/13 7:13:46 PM#59
While I don't agree that SWTOR could own any year without anything short of a miracle. I do however agree with Mike B. for once on his points in that those ideas would go a long ways to helping SWTOR get on the right track.
  darkhalf357x

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1/23/13 7:15:29 PM#60

Thanks Mike. Good article.  Completely agree.  SWTOR isn't the best game, but contrary to popular belief it does have some redeeming qualities which are fun.  Whats missing are side systems to flesh out the main story.  Give us housing or hell, make the cantina a social spot to congregate. Give us other things to do than just quest that adds to the Star Wars universe.

Also believe space combat was a missed opportunity.  Adding something of greater depth and exploration here (dare I say travel to planets manually) would be a plus.

Not convinced Bioware has the manpower to deliver this year.  But will see what happens. I'm currently playing my Bounty Hunter story in F2P and cant say its not fun.

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