"Transmedia synergy secret sauce" ..............

phrasing...........PHRASING.

Defiance is not an MMO, but Diablo 3 and Path of exile are...... /facepalm

Defiance is an MMO, also it's not a fps, it's a third person shooter, and yes there is a big difference. It is however a pixel perfect shooter, which Firefall is not for example.

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

then please tell me wtf is an mmo? Something that has elves and orcs and ends in Warcraft?

Originally posted by Volgore

Problem with Defiance is that it feels like one of these recent singleplayer-mmorpgs.

Since there are no classes, the replay-value is zero. So once the crowd moved out of your area and the game gets top heavy, you will see the complains like "where is everyone?" and "how am i supposed to do the group stuff in my zone?" on the forums again.

Trion just repeats the classic among the modern mmo mistakes.

Well in theory you can grind weapons off the mobs in starter zones because drops are tied to your EGO rating (level), the higher the rating the more variety in drops (as in secondary effects, etc.). I'm more worried about "why" than "what" tho, because once you finish story, there doesnt seem to be much to do other than PvP. 

MMO not being 100% polished at launch doesn't bother me that much but I'd like to know how they plan to expand it post launch. 

Originally posted by DMKano

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

 

MMO is where a thousand or thousands of people plays in the same server. Defiance however doesn't do that, they have "shards". In otherwords they are servers that you enter when you go to a different location, and that's how the shards works. And from my beta experience, I barely saw even 10 people at the same place with me and that's because those areas are sharded.

Hopefully you learned something from this. :)

Originally posted by Black-Dog

On a different note: That picture on previous page, lol :D  All I have to say is .. MAN FEET!

Go on take a look, ugh creepy.

^

Originally posted by codifier

Originally posted by DMKano

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

 

MMO is where a thousand or thousands of people plays in the same server. Defiance however doesn't do that, they have "shards". In otherwords they are servers that you enter when you go to a different location, and that's how the shards works. And from my beta experience, I barely saw even 10 people at the same place with me and that's because those areas are sharded.

Hopefully you learned something from this. :)

Sharding is commonplace in MMO's these days.  The NDA needs to go down soon to stop all this "non MMO" nonsense.

Originally posted by Roxtarr

Originally posted by codifier

Originally posted by DMKano

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

 

MMO is where a thousand or thousands of people plays in the same server. Defiance however doesn't do that, they have "shards". In otherwords they are servers that you enter when you go to a different location, and that's how the shards works. And from my beta experience, I barely saw even 10 people at the same place with me and that's because those areas are sharded.

Hopefully you learned something from this. :)

Sharding is commonplace in MMO's these days.  The NDA needs to go down soon to stop all this "non MMO" nonsense.

Yeah it's getting ridiciulous. I never saw more than 10 players in one place other than Stormwind while I was leveling up in the most populated WoW server. I guess WoW most not be an MMO either.

Sharding is here to stay folks. I personally don't mind it as long as I can get to play with my friends whenever I want and there are other players there when I need them for rifts/dungeons. I don't even understand why people enjoy having 20 other random players running around them in the same little area. It's not like anyone socializes. All that does is make it a pain in the ass to complete quests.

Originally posted by dave6660
There is nothing new in MMO's.

Look up the definition of "new".

Tell me the last MMO that has cross-over to a TV show like Defiance, and i may agree.

Originally posted by DMKano

Defiance is not an MMO, but Diablo 3 and Path of exile are...... /facepalm

Defiance is an MMO, also it's not a fps, it's a third person shooter, and yes there is a big difference. It is however a pixel perfect shooter, which Firefall is not for example.

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

then please tell me wtf is an mmo? Something that has elves and orcs and ends in Warcraft?

 

Can anyone define that term for me? Cause a google search just returned a bunch of information on Defiance (and only Defiance for this) which really makes it sound like marketing hype words instead of a real thing. This is certainly the first time I have read that term before.

This is at best a gimmick

And with Siffees track record - I wouldn't get too excited or attached to either the show or the game

Originally posted by Jalitan

Originally posted by Black-Dog

On a different note: That picture on previous page, lol :D  All I have to say is .. MAN FEET!

Go on take a look, ugh creepy.

^

Heretics!! both of you!

Originally posted by Roxtarr

Originally posted by codifier

Originally posted by DMKano

Defiance - 1000s of players in a persistent virtual world, with solo and group PvE missions, PvP open world and battlegrounds, skill/ability tree, gear upgrades..... And that is not an MMO?

 

MMO is where a thousand or thousands of people plays in the same server. Defiance however doesn't do that, they have "shards". In otherwords they are servers that you enter when you go to a different location, and that's how the shards works. And from my beta experience, I barely saw even 10 people at the same place with me and that's because those areas are sharded.

Hopefully you learned something from this. :)

Sharding is commonplace in MMO's these days.  The NDA needs to go down soon to stop all this "non MMO" nonsense.

In Defiance Shards work out differntly then what you are thinking.

Originally posted by Volgore

Originally posted by Jalitan

Originally posted by Black-Dog

On a different note: That picture on previous page, lol :D  All I have to say is .. MAN FEET!

Go on take a look, ugh creepy.

^

Heretics!! both of you!

Lmao. long toe freaky feet!

I don't really understand the "Defiance isn't an MMO" schtick around here.

It's one large and completely seamless gamespace like Fallen Earth and there's virtually no instancing.  They don't even shard.  On that basis alone it's ahead of a lot of "MMOs."

Additionally, it has a fully functional RPG progression system based on increasing lateral options and deeper avatar customization.  Oh, and it's completely free form btw; no classes, no levels, no arbitrary restrictions imposed on the players, et cetera.

The third person combat is done quite well though it's run-and-gun rather than cover-based (should've been cover-based, IMO).

Defiance is more MMO than half of the "MMOs" on the market right now.  Hell, it's more MMO than TOR is.

Too many trolls on this website.  I guess it's why I only visit it once a month though usually it's PreCU vets who stink up this joint.

New, new, new..

I wish some titles would do OLD things right, how about that?

All that is happening is dumbing down and making MMOS "casual".

What is new in Defiance? Seems to me like Firefall with different textures? (I like Firefall btw)

Originally posted by Black-Dog

The game as I see it since playing beta is extreme in its weakness as it stands... ok it plays as a fps/fallout style gameplay if I dare say it myself, but its weak.. the good thing for it as a game right now is the fact its smooth and with lots happening it dont lag in big fights..

Not surprising though I guess eh...

On a different note: That picture on previous page, lol :D  All I have to say is .. MAN FEET!

Go on take a look, ugh creepy.

I guess you must be Epitome of perfection then? i seriously get very annoyed with people like you. No one is perfect, and it is the flaws and imperfections that makes us humans. 

It is so easy to crticise others without posting your own pictures isn't it? let us see how good you look with your perfect body and features.