I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

im right there with you man...this game has fallen far from what it once was...its now a huge dissapointment to the old school players who grew up with the grind and who hard hardcore skill...now any tom, dick and harry can pick up wow roll his face across the keyboard and BAM your 90 decked out with everythign handed to you on a platter.

Blizzard is trying WAY to hard to cater to the player base, in wich doing so they killed there game. Its sooo dummed down now that i dare say Runescape is more difficult to play....

I too was a vanilla wow vetrain...recently came back and wont be re subbing once these 2 months done...hell let alone buy this pathetic excuse of a expansion...

WoW is dead(to me) we can only hope Titan saves this downfall into madness that Blizzard has taken.

The change was subtle, it started around the times of Blood Elves and became more promounced when faction changes got implemented.

Horde in Battlegrounds today is pretty much what allliance was in vanilla. 

Originally posted by Dantae87

im right there with you man...this game has fallen far from what it once was...its now a huge dissapointment to the old school players who grew up with the grind and who hard hardcore skill...now any tom, dick and harry can pick up wow roll his face across the keyboard and BAM your 90 decked out with everythign handed to you on a platter.

Blizzard is trying WAY to hard to cater to the player base, in wich doing so they killed there game. Its sooo dummed down now that i dare say Runescape is more difficult to play....

I too was a vanilla wow vetrain...recently came back and wont be re subbing once these 2 months done...hell let alone buy this pathetic excuse of a expansion...

WoW is dead(to me) we can only hope Titan saves this downfall into madness that Blizzard has taken.

WHOA big guy........

WoW still holds highly skilled and competitive players.  

I am only complaining that the HORDE is no longer the powerhouse it used to be. 

However, WoW now caters to a whole new crowd that it used to back in the day.   You cannnot blame them for that, they are a business after all.

What I am pissed about is the fact the HORDE have so easily and completely let hold of thier dominance.

THIS IS FACT:  The alliance are now the better players. 

/wrists

Horde racials were heavily favored in pvp matchups all the way into Wrath and beyond.  When the Alliance started getting some decent racials (and the current controversial Every Man For Himself that humans have), a lot of FOTM pvp'ers switched.  Plus, the Blood Elves diluted the Horde's strength quite a bit, bringing some balance to the numbers of each faction.  Then faction transfers, of course.

But the racial imbalance was a strong indicator.  The redo of racials was the first sign of serious Horde definiciency.  Sure, they were losing a bit more often with Belfs around, but once the racial redo came through...it was an overnight flip-flop for my battlegroup.

Originally posted by jpnole
Well there's always the old saying: "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!"

Think of me as the dumb old fool.

Convert to the alliance................fucking never...........never ever.

I am done with the game, ashamedly.

Originally posted by kabitoshin
I agree horde aren't what they used to be but, alli are just as bad most of the time. Sometimes It would take 5 games for me to get atleast 1 win.

Brother, I went from level 65 to level 68, playing almost nothing but random BG's.   Horde lost almost all of the mathes.  At this point, a gambling man will always bet agianst the HORDE.

Such a sorry state of affairs.  

I WISH.......... I could convey the level of shame I feel.  This may sound extreme, but old school horde willl agree i think.

Originally posted by Maephisto

I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

 

around that level people usually use "Bots" to honor grind until 70 for pvp tier... but i've been alliance for awhile i recently switched over to horde because of pve wise on Illdian. I grinded 67-69 in random bgs. and i got 21 wins with 1,9k honor. It really detemines how well people actually listen in bgs, others rather run around with their heads cut off. Or they watch the chat. "Oh one of the bunkers are taken i need to take it back or stay here to defend this base." Or the popular i m going on a killing spree for more honor...  With bots they are programmed to mount and run forward or heal random players.. I had a monk on alliance cc me while i was trying to cap a flag, he didn't do any damage just kept ccing me.. then his buddies joined him. So i can't really say horde or alliance are better for bgs.. Lol 

Originally posted by HeroEvermore
Funny because on my Vanilla server our Alliance NEVER lost in BG. We had 12 Grand Marshals just in our guild alone (myself included) lol. Its all perspective really.

**

I retract everything I said about HeroEvermore and his guild.   Direct and personal attacks are not what I aimed for. 

I appologize.

Originally posted by Maephisto

I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

 

PMSL at this post!!

You have been out of the game for an age and expected it to be the same? But of course that isn't the funny part!!!

The hilarious part of this post is that you rage on about how great you were and how epic the horde were at the time, but then you sold your account for a shed load of money (great dedication to the horde), probably to someone who had no clue of how to play the character/race and then wonder to yourself what happened to the great and mighty Horde!?!?!

If you did that then i would guess that a lot of other people did the same as well, so if you want an answer to your question i would probably look in the mirror for it.

Originally posted by Maephisto

Originally posted by HeroEvermore
Funny because on my Vanilla server our Alliance NEVER lost in BG. We had 12 Grand Marshals just in our guild alone (myself included) lol. Its all perspective really.

**

 

I retract everything I said about HeroEvermore and his guild.   Direct and personal attacks are not what I aimed for. 

 

I appologize.

its okay, we all have bad days. peace and love :D

Originally posted by Maephisto

I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

 

I totally understand you.

But this is the way it is: WoW is not the game you knew. It is over and it's never coming back. It's something else now. Move on.

You will have to join the other mmorpg nomads until you find another game you like. 

For me, right now, I'm getting my pve on in LOTRO and Vanguard. I get my pvp in Chivalry. There are games in the pipeline. 

Just let go. 

Cheers.

Can only speak from my experience....

Even Pugs in Vanilla employed some teamwork because you would still meet the same players time and again. On my server Horde always employed better teamwork because there was less of them so they knew each other better.

Cross realm BGs ended all that and made Alliance and Horde pugs identical.

Originally posted by Maephisto

I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

 

Not sure this part is true.........

Originally posted by Maephisto

I am an old school vanilla WoW player.  I created my account in January of 2005.  Among today's standards, I am among some of the original Horde Tichondrius players.  I participated in the great "High Warlord" grind and achieved the rank of warlord.  I sold my account for quite a bit a money in those days (early 2006).  Back in those days the Horde on Tichondrius was the pinnacle of pvp talent.  There were no others that could compete.

I recently decided to level a new hunter.  I am currently lvl 68.  I decided to level my character through random BG matches.  Among the matches I have participated in, I have lost atleast 70% of them.  What used to be common sense among even PUG's, is now replaced with "wanna-be heroes" and a complete abandonment of teamwork.

I am here to vent my frustrations.  The Horde is the exact carbon copy of what the Alliance used to be in Vanilla WoW.  The most useless, most pathetic excuses of pvp'ers known to humanity. 

What the hell has happened to my beloved Horde?  Ally's openly kick your ass without even trying.  How do you sleep at night?  Kicking alliance ass used to be a given fact.

My dedication to horde is strong enough that I will no longer level my hunter. I will not transfer my hunter to the alliance. I will just sit and admit defeat and retire a character that barely got started. 

F U HORDE. You are worthless.

/end bitterness

 

http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/oqueue

Maybe this wil help idk you mostly see lvl cap groups (Lots) But if you start a group they will come. @ the least you know your not playing with bots this way.