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The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » User votes say that Guild Wars 2, The Secret World, and Rift are good?

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OP  1/22/13 11:14:19 AM#1

I'm not here to argue with the ratings, but only to analyze why they are so high.

When a new heavily-hyped game launches, it often has a bunch of people excited to play it who promptly rate it a 10.  That spikes the game to the top of this site's ratings for a while.  Then as players get further into the game, they find things they don't like, and more people rate it down.  That leads the game's rating to drop as time passes.

Additionally, people who don't play a game see it on the top 7 list and rate it down to make room for their own favorite games.  Eventually the game drops off of the top 7 list and people mostly stop rating it.  That's why there is a huge mass of games that barely miss this site's top 7 list.  It also explains why games that not that many people play can easily be just off of the top 7 list, but can't stay on the list for long.

The real question of a game's rating on this site is not of 8.3 versus 7.8 or anything like that.  Rather, it's one of, for how long after launch can a game keep its rating far above the pack?  With Age of Conan, the answer was about two days.  SWTOR and Warhammer made it a little longer than that, but were off the top 7 list within weeks after launch.  Atlantica Online actually got a spike and then came back to the pack several times in what looked like a rather flagrant case of ballot box stuffing.

But Rift is nearly two years past launch and still hasn't quite come back to the pack.  That's impressive.  Some people like Rift and some don't, of course.  But those who dislike it deride it as not the game mechanics they want (e.g., it's a theme park), not as a buggy mess of a game.

The Secret World has been out for more than half a year, and Guild Wars 2 for nearly five months, and they're still way ahead of the pack.  That's also impressive.  Planetside 2, by contrast, is a far more recent release, yet already trails far behind Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World, and will probably soon fall behind Rift in the ratings as well.


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1/22/13 11:27:28 AM#2
I don't know, but I strongly feel that MMORPG.COM is not a reliable source for any type of metric on a game.  If you went by some forum posts you would think the most succesful games are actually failures.  However, to be honest, I never look at game ratings on this site.  Speccially when they are formulated by other posters on this site.  They hold no weight to any type of decision process on wether I like or dislike a game.  That is done by me actually playing them.  This place is nothing but an eternal battle ground for haters and fanboys and for people like me who can't turn away from a train wreck. 

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1/22/13 11:39:54 AM#3

I enjoy Rift, it has it's problems, but what games don't? As far as themeparks go, this has been the one to beat for 2 years IMO. The PvP isn't the best, but this is probably the best PvE game out there at this point and time. It really gives you options other games don't have.

GW2 was...not my style of game. I know a lot of people like it, but after about a month I was done with it. Of course everyone is different, and I can see why some people would enjoy it.

As far as TSW...haven't played it. Heard good things about the PvE, heard the PvP was awful however. Keep in mind that's just heresay.

The ratings on this site should be taken with a grain of salt, but there is some truth to them.

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1/22/13 11:42:04 AM#4
It depends what you like

Tsw has a good leveling game. But its hampered by a wow style grind instances end game. Also its pvp Is poor, which is a shame it was fun in closed beta when only actual pvpers did it.

Rift is a wow clone. But it addresses two of the biggest problems with wow 1) it has stuff to do other than grind instances at end game and 2) its less kiddy. Just like wow it has bad pvp though.

Gw2 is a decent all rounder. It's not a great game in any particular area, but its a well above average game in most areas. Definetly beats the other 2 for pvp, but it ain't no eve, daoc or planetside.

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1/22/13 11:42:52 AM#5
Not much to argue here imo. In  a price/quality ratio, those 3 are among the best out there you are going to find.

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1/22/13 11:49:32 AM#6
Add eve if your more bothered about crafting / exploring / pvp than you are dungeons

Add planetside 2 if you want good pvp and aren't bothered about pve at all.

Thems the 5.

Luckily 3 of them have no sub. So there's nothing to stop you playing say tsw for the quests / dungeons / small group play and ps2 for your pvp / large group play.

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1/22/13 11:57:52 AM#7
It just so happens that the 3 you named ARE good. Some turds do float but the cream also rises to the top.

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1/22/13 11:59:35 AM#8
They are good in comparison to everything else.


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OP  1/22/13 12:05:46 PM#9
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Add eve if your more bothered about crafting / exploring / pvp than you are dungeons

Add planetside 2 if you want good pvp and aren't bothered about pve at all.

Thems the 5.

Luckily 3 of them have no sub. So there's nothing to stop you playing say tsw for the quests / dungeons / small group play and ps2 for your pvp / large group play.

EVE launched a long time ago, so I have no idea what its ratings were near launch.  Regardless, it's not ahead of the pack in the ratings today.

Planetside 2 is a much more recent release and has already fallen far behind both Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World.  It will probably fall the rest of the way back to the pack soon.  Taking a few months to fall back to the pack isn't bad, but it's not nearly as impressive as the ratings that Guild Wars 2, The Secret World, and Rift have put up.  That's why I excluded it from the title of this thread, in spite of it being currently rated higher than Rift.


Actually, have any of you actually read the original post before replying?  This thread isn't here to talk about game mechanics.  It's more like someone who doesn't even know how to play golf analyzing scorecards from the past and running statistical techniques on them to try to predict who will win a future tournament.


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1/22/13 12:07:45 PM#10

It's not so much that I didn't read your post as I don't know any more than you do. Thats why I added there is something to the ratings, but always take them lightly. Those are 3 great games, and deserve the ratings they have IMO. Well maybe not GW2, but we are all biased in some ways :)

Honestly the only one in the top that probably doesn't belong is Vindictus. Seriously guys? It's not even an MMO, and barely even online.

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1/22/13 12:11:10 PM#11

I think you're right.


Rift definitely stays in the list because it is consistently rated high. You rarely hear anything bad about it in the forums either, nothing on the scale of GW2 or SWTOR hating.


TSW? I saw it jump after it went B2P, I suspect it will drop soon. GW2 is still too early to really tell, but I feel it'll stay up there pretty long, considering the following it has on MMORPG.COM.


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1/22/13 5:14:44 PM#12
I think this year will tell us a lot about the staying power of these MMOs.  We've got Neverwinter and ESO coming, and Defiance looks to be an up-and-comer.  Not to mention Age of Wushu and Darkfall.  Lots of choice, but I do predict GW2, Rift and TSW will still have loyal bases by end of 2013.  I'll even go so far as saying SWTOR may bounce back a bit this year, depending on what is delivered.  Even the older MMOs are getting some love -- Vanguard, LOTRO and AoC.

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1/22/13 5:19:09 PM#13

I wonder if there were a ratings page would the ratings change suddenly?

I don't mean the sort option on the games list, but just a page on dedicated to the game's title and its rating alone.  I wonder if that were linked in an obvious spot on the homepage, would we see a sudden shift in game ratings?

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1/22/13 5:19:54 PM#14

I would say a pretty neat and indepth analysis. 

If anything, the rating on this site shows "How long will this game stay alive"  - with some noteable exceptions like RuneScape.

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1/22/13 5:21:30 PM#15
I tried GW2 and TSW fr about a month and both seem pretty decent to me.

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1/22/13 5:25:31 PM#16

Don't take the ratings very seriously. Games like GuildWars 2 are inflames greatly and rated far above what its deserving of while games like World of Warcraft are often bashed down below where it deserves (god did I just defend WoW? Damn...) Simply put those numbers aren't trustworthy at all. GW2 on top of SW is quite funny to me personal as, despite how much I'm not huge on SW, I have a lot of respect for their attempt at changing the direction and pushing an 'action combat' sort of system. It deserves the spot far more then GW2 does but its how it goes. 


If you want to see how a game is, try it yourself. Don't use ratings to judge for you cause depending on the site/audience, you will find greatly different views. Good luck having an Eastern game up top on this list, no matter how well designed it is due to Xenophobia making it difficult for people to get past it to enjoy a good game.


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1/22/13 5:33:04 PM#17
Ratings mean very little, where u have a website that was pushimg Rusty Hearts all over it... only to find out most active members here are not 16, but almost 30.

They had to re-learn their members and find suitable advertising. Any website that allows a 12 year old vote.. when that child has no means to pay for, or sustain a sub.. is flawed.

Now today, most those 12 year olds are 19 and have a taste of work... their opinions about what is good, has differed.

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1/22/13 5:56:57 PM#18

Everything is relative.  If you are a hater of those games I can persuade why those games deserver high ratting.

Becaues other game are not as good.


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1/23/13 6:51:33 AM#19
World Of Warcraft is the most successful MMO in history currently with 10M sub but yet it only has a 7.5. So either more haters are giving it a low rating than players giving it a high one, or about 60% of the WoW community does not even know exsists. I did however hear a rumor that 40% of WoW players dont even know WoW has offical forums lol

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1/23/13 6:59:15 AM#20

The ratings are bogus, they are tampered with by and you shouldn't believe anything about them.


I remember TERA dropping like 30 places in one day randomly over a month after release for no reason, either something logs things wrong or EVERYONE decided to vote it down that day for no apparent reason.

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