Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by DSWBeef

You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game.

Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it.

Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. And if you dont have time to debate with internet trolls while you yourself are one then you better just stop.

its because its people like him that tarnish the reputation of crowd funding. real genuine people who truly have what it takes to produce a game but lack the capital will suffer from projects such as greed monger. go to unity subforums work in progress and looking for a team. follow these forums for a week or two and you will see the number of complete fail projects that exist and how similar greed monger is to them.

Last I checked the pulse of Greed Monger was still alive and kicking... Nothing from our Development Chats indicate as of last night that the whole team (Or any of the time for that matter) had up and left. Jason is still very much a part of the team, I'm still there, We still have a healthy and growing team of world Builders plugging away at building the world. We have a couple other Programmers besides my self. We have several help wanted ads with people contacting us all the time to join. Seems like Jason and I ALMOST hold a interview a day sometimes even 2 or 3 interviews in a single day with people wanting to join our team... Personal that's not a sign of failed team.

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by bishbosh2

well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

Unity is so flexible without the source code there is basically no need for it...

Ah yes sorry it was not 1000 players it was acutally 999.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MuchDifferent-Man-Vs-Machine-FPS-Server-Networking,14590.html

So proof there that middleware works, as at the time it beat SOEs planetside .. tho im pretty sure PS2 has now topped that but i guess SOE have super servers running that game.

As for Physics, there are 2d physics addons available in the unity asset store so you dont need to use physx.. thats what im saying you can write so many different plugins for unity it jsut makes it very flexible..

Now would an in-house engine be more flexible.. yes it probally would, but you would then need the in-house programmers that are capable of writing an engine from the ground up including all the networking code and so on.. Indie companies do not have the finances to support this kind of development path, hell even some big companies dont these days.

Unity and other 3rd party engines are one of the best things to happen to the gaming industry.. giving peopel access to tech to makes games they never would have had..

Anyway this has gone off the ponit as they are now using Hero Engine by the looks of it.. another great engine to use for an MMO, if you can be bothered to learn heroscript..

Originally posted by JamesP

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by DSWBeef

You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game.

Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it.

Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

Have you personally worked with the HeroEngine? If not I wouldn't be so quick to judge it. I have extensive experience with it and for MMO Development it's 100% better then Unity3D. Not to mention we will be getting the Source License soon after Launch.

yes. hero script is terrible.

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by DSWBeef

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by DSWBeef

You do realize that they switched to the Hero Engine after Unity changed there EULA? So no they are not using unity anymore. Also who says you have to be some huge modeler/Coder to run a video game buisness? Im sure if a modeler sat Bobby Kotick the CEO of Activision down and said make me a house Kotick wouldnt know the first thing about making said house. Also if you do your research you would see that he has actually started learning how to model and script. And if you actually go on their forums there are plenty more images and videos showing the game.

Sure his attitude wasnt the greatest but I prefer a dev who will stick up for himself and his game then what most devs do which is just ignore it. He actually addresses it.

Better get all the facts before you bash someone.

oh wow how comforting. they just figured out which engine they will be using? on top of that they switched to an engine that gives you even less control than the engine they were initially working with. He is starting to learn how script and model now? why not till after the game is released. He has far more important things to attend to like people on the internet critcising his competancy.

how can you compare this guy with kotick. kotick just didnt become CEO of activision like that. the guy had been in the software industry 8 years prior to becomeing CEO of activision in 1991 when activision was still a small company and no one played video games.... kotick is a profesional doing his job. he doesnt have time to participate in internet feuds with trolls. im sorry but i prefer a dev who is proffesional. (note: this doesnt mean i like koticks views regarding game design and destroying franchises for quick cash)

Seems you have some vendetta against Greed Monger. So much hate. And if you dont have time to debate with internet trolls while you yourself are one then you better just stop.

its because its people like him that tarnish the reputation of crowd funding. real genuine people who truly have what it takes to produce a game but lack the capital will suffer from projects such as greed monger. go to unity subforums work in progress and looking for a team. follow these forums for a week or two and you will see the number of complete fail projects that exist and how similar greed monger is to them.

How is GM any different? They actually have the funds to make it a reality? Atleast they have devs who speak their mind instead of ignoring all questions asked or giving half assed answers.  How can you tell that his team doesnt have what it takes? You cant, you dont know him or his team. Fail project? How can you judge if this game is gonna fail when its not even in ALPHA yet? You're just a troll.

lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

Awesome show but shame it got cut :(

Originally posted by Caldrin

lol I was working on GM until around 3am and then decided to unwind by Watching Jericho on Netflix. I started watching it like Saturday and have been watching it in my free time ever since... Great Show!

 

Awesome show but shame it got cut :(

Yeah. I'm still on Season 1 but so far there does seem to be alot they could have covered that at least they haven't yet. 

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by bishbosh2

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by bishbosh2

well no you cant what you whatever you want with unity unless your purchase the full source code license. I cant find anything suggesting they have purchased a full source code license.

I dont think that is 1000 real players connected through a network. looks like AI to me and even after that how can we know what the hit registry is like, it looks laggy as well and it froze up at one time. that video doesnt prove the point you are trying to make.

like i said there is no proof of the these middleware solutions effectiveness. it doesnt matter that the company puts all their resources into making it work. Im not sure if you have any programming experience with non managed languages and game engines but writing your own code in c++ will always execute faster simply because you have you full control over what is happening. I can give you an example based on my real experience. 2d physics runs like shit on unity because Nvidia physx has crap ton of overhead  that needs to be run even when using it in 2d mode. If you write your own engine and use box2d or write your own 2d physics your game will run faster than it would have using unity. 

Unity is so flexible without the source code there is basically no need for it...

Ah yes sorry it was not 1000 players it was acutally 999.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MuchDifferent-Man-Vs-Machine-FPS-Server-Networking,14590.html

So proof there that middleware works, as at the time it beat SOEs planetside .. tho im pretty sure PS2 has now topped that but i guess SOE have super servers running that game.

As for Physics, there are 2d physics addons available in the unity asset store so you dont need to use physx.. thats what im saying you can write so many different plugins for unity it jsut makes it very flexible..

Now would an in-house engine be more flexible.. yes it probally would, but you would then need the in-house programmers that are capable of writing an engine from the ground up including all the networking code and so on.. Indie companies do not have the finances to support this kind of development path, hell even some big companies dont these days.

Unity and other 3rd party engines are one of the best things to happen to the gaming industry.. giving peopel access to tech to makes games they never would have had..

Anyway this has gone off the ponit as they are now using Hero Engine by the looks of it.. another great engine to use for an MMO, if you can be bothered to learn heroscript..

 

 

its still just a test, its not an actual game. since there is no commercial release or public test available how do we know how it plays in terms of responsiveness, lag, hit detection. 

there is nothing wrong with 3rd party game engines when you buy a proprietary license with source code. 

i dont see how you can support 3rd party engines with no source code access like hero engine and unity for use in mmorpgs when there are no working examples that prove their suitability for such a task!!!!

it is not a question of learning how to use hero script. hero script is very easy to learn especially for someone who has experience with c/c++. the core concepts of any OOP language are pretty much the same. C++ gives the user control over memory and pointers and stuff. inexperienced devs should not be making mmorpgs plain and simple. if you cant write your own engine or afford a full source code license  you shouldnt be making a mmorpg.