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  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 6:00:02 PM#61
Originally posted by jimdandy26
 

"Hi and welcome back to the biggest Starcraft 3 tournament yet!  The grand prize is 50,000,000 to the winner, and we are here bringing it to you live.  We're at a very close point, final seconds people, both teams have significant forces attack the others last buildings.  It's come down to this, whichever one loses their buildings first loses out on the 50 million dollar prize!  OH and in a sudden move the Red Team just swiped their credit card, getting all their buildings repaired instantly!  Remember, Blizzard allows this for their game so it is allowed!  And that's it!  Red Team is the winner!"

Personally I think you'd be the first fan up to Red Team congratulating them on their skillful win and seeing nothing wrong with that because Blizzard said it was ok :)

 

 

Also, not everyone pirates games.  Always on DRM punishes everyone for it.

If Diablo 3 had the amazing gameplay, instead of altering it to encourage use of the auction house, then I'd be happier.

El Psy Congroo

  User Deleted
1/21/13 6:03:05 PM#62
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by jimdandy26
 

"Hi and welcome back to the biggest Starcraft 3 tournament yet!  The grand prize is 50,000,000 to the winner, and we are here bringing it to you live.  We're at a very close point, final seconds people, both teams have significant forces attack the others last buildings.  It's come down to this, whichever one loses their buildings first loses out on the 50 million dollar prize!  OH and in a sudden move the Red Team just swiped their credit card, getting all their buildings repaired instantly!  Remember, Blizzard allows this for their game so it is allowed!  And that's it!  Red Team is the winner!"

Personally I think you'd be the first fan up to Red Team congratulating them on their skillful win and seeing nothing wrong with that because Blizzard said it was ok :)

 

 

Also, not everyone pirates games.  Always on DRM punishes everyone for it.

If Diablo 3 had the amazing gameplay, instead of altering it to encourage use of the auction house, then I'd be happier.

 

Not everyone steals bank accounts, but we all suffer by having to rember pin numbers. Stupid banks...damn them!!

  redcapp

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1/21/13 6:09:41 PM#63
The last paragraph of what was quoted in the OP is very noble.  That said, I lol'd when he 'gauranteed' we'd enjoy his future designs.
  DamonVile

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1/21/13 6:28:22 PM#64
Originally posted by zymurgeist

If you're "forced" to trade you must suck at the game. I've never had any great  difficulty  doing anything in the game without ever using the auction house. There are no must have items. You just can't faceroll inferno though.

 

I didn't say must have or that I had any problems playing the game. I did however play diablo 2 where it was fun to find my own " best" items in the game...as a drop..from things I actually killed.

The point of a loot farming game is to find your own loot, not buy it from an AH. If I wanted to do that I'd play real life.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  jimdandy26

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1/21/13 6:36:39 PM#65
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by jimdandy26
 

"Hi and welcome back to the biggest Starcraft 3 tournament yet!  The grand prize is 50,000,000 to the winner, and we are here bringing it to you live.  We're at a very close point, final seconds people, both teams have significant forces attack the others last buildings.  It's come down to this, whichever one loses their buildings first loses out on the 50 million dollar prize!  OH and in a sudden move the Red Team just swiped their credit card, getting all their buildings repaired instantly!  Remember, Blizzard allows this for their game so it is allowed!  And that's it!  Red Team is the winner!"

Personally I think you'd be the first fan up to Red Team congratulating them on their skillful win and seeing nothing wrong with that because Blizzard said it was ok :)

 Yay! Now the personal attacks begin! For someone who implies they think for themself you certainly don't. There is no logical tie between the RMAH and what you describe above. Unless you really want to attempt to say that D3 was also designed as an Esport. They are designed in different ways to meet different needs and wants. 

Also, not everyone pirates games.  Always on DRM punishes everyone for it.

Always on DRM really has nothing to do with the discusion, and really has its own set of both positives and negatives. I will say though that some of those things on your list you honestly have no right to expect from any game company, and the fact that you have been granted the privilage in the past was do to many other factors, with many of the positive outcomes being a complete surprise.

If Diablo 3 had the amazing gameplay, instead of altering it to encourage use of the auction house, then I'd be happier.

This is assuming of course that D3 ever had that "amazing" gameplay you wanted. I do however find it hilarious that for all of the whining about "wanting something different" from the games industry in general, every time they actually make changes and DO something different there are a legion of players just like you throwing an absolute shit fit and demonizing them for it. I get it, I do. You wanted D2, but "better", and you did not get what you wanted so let the fit commence. Considering all of the rest of the compaints, about the switching of gears in how the story is told, the general changing of themes etc D3 is more a reimagining of the Diablo franchise than a true sequal, which is fine. You may have cause to be upset about the false marketing then, or even that the story is poor. But to make claims that the gameplay was once amazing and is now ruined by this or that is insane unless you were one of the developers.

 

I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won.

To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.

  DamonVile

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1/21/13 6:47:41 PM#66
Originally posted by jimdandy26

This is assuming of course that D3 ever had that "amazing" gameplay you wanted. I do however find it hilarious that for all of the whining about "wanting something different" from the games industry in general, every time they actually make changes and DO something different there are a legion of players just like you throwing an absolute shit fit and demonizing them for it. I get it, I do. You wanted D2, but "better", and you did not get what you wanted so let the fit commence. Considering all of the rest of the compaints, about the switching of gears in how the story is told, the general changing of themes etc D3 is more a reimagining of the Diablo franchise than a true sequal, which is fine. You may have cause to be upset about the false marketing then, or even that the story is poor. But to make claims that the gameplay was once amazing and is now ruined by this or that is insane unless you were one of the developers.

 

I don't think the first part of this is really fair to say in this situation. Players who want new and innovative aren't lining up to play diablo part 3. They want new and inovative games.

People lining up to play a part 3 are looking for updated game play and a continuation of the story being told. If they played part 1 and 2 they don't really want the wheel reinvented on them. I think the devs frogot what made diablo great and tried to be inovative.

A good example of this is buying your grandparents the newest car with all the gadgets and them never wanting to drive it because it doesn't even have a place to put the keys and the damn thing keeps talking at me!.

If it wasn't broke they shouldn't have tried to fix it is what most fans are really trying to say I guess.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  jimdandy26

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1/21/13 6:59:35 PM#67
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by jimdandy26

This is assuming of course that D3 ever had that "amazing" gameplay you wanted. I do however find it hilarious that for all of the whining about "wanting something different" from the games industry in general, every time they actually make changes and DO something different there are a legion of players just like you throwing an absolute shit fit and demonizing them for it. I get it, I do. You wanted D2, but "better", and you did not get what you wanted so let the fit commence. Considering all of the rest of the compaints, about the switching of gears in how the story is told, the general changing of themes etc D3 is more a reimagining of the Diablo franchise than a true sequal, which is fine. You may have cause to be upset about the false marketing then, or even that the story is poor. But to make claims that the gameplay was once amazing and is now ruined by this or that is insane unless you were one of the developers.

 

I don't think the first part of this is really fair to say in this situation. Players who want new and innovative aren't lining up to play diablo part 3. They want new and inovative games.

People lining up to play a part 3 are looking for updated game play and a continuation of the story being told. If they played part 1 and 2 they don't really want the wheel reinvented on them. I think the devs frogot what made diablo great and tried to be inovative.

A good example of this is buying your grandparents the newest car with all the gadgets and them never wanting to drive it because it doesn't even have a place to put the keys and the damn thing keeps talking at me!.

If it wasn't broke they shouldn't have tried to fix it is what most fans are really trying to say I guess.

Based on sales comparisons alone I would disagree with that assessment. But even if it were true the attitude that "we pay your salaries, you have to do what WE say" is absolute bullshit. Again, unless you want to make the claim of false advertising its not up to the players to make any of the claims you attribute to them.

I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won.

To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1964

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 7:01:57 PM#68
Originally posted by Psychow

Not everyone steals bank accounts, but we all suffer by having to rember pin numbers. Stupid banks...damn them!!

To relate this in Diablo terms:

If I wanted to store my money, I could go to a bank.  They'd store it there, and I'd have to remember things to get at it.  (this is like closed battle net, characters stored online, remember account info)

If I wanted to I could instead bury my money in a trunk in the backyard.  I wouldn't have to remember a PIN, but it wouldn't be as secure.  (This is like characters stored on your hard drive.  Lost if you lose your computer or drive fails, but doesn't require going to an online server.)

 

So yes, I still feel that I should have the option for single player, LAN, and a more secure battle net.  It should be an option, like in Diablo 2, not do this or else, like Diablo 3.

 

 

Also, for jim dandy - I wasn't saying Diablo 3 was an esport.  I was showing the dangers of a future of continued legal RMT and a possible consequence.  I'm sorry if you couldn't make that leap, but hopefully I helped you along by explaining it here.

You say DRM has nothing to do with the discussion, but you brought it up :)  I'll link you your post if you want, or you can edit it, whatever you want.

As far as amazing gameplay, no I do not believe D3 ever had it.  That was why I was referring to Diablo 2 as the better game.  I do want innovation and change, but in a good direction.  Such as with Path of Exile's innovations and ethics, and Torchlight 2 with its single player and modding.  Two recent examples (one isn't even out yet) of the games industry making changes and I love the changes made.  So no I wasn't a developer, I was meaning the changes from Diablo 2 to Diablo 3.  Glad to clear that up for you as well :)

El Psy Congroo

  Vannor

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1/21/13 7:25:32 PM#69
I like the game. Best combat in an ARPG ever imo. It definately lacks content though and that's the only reason I don't play it on a regular basis. If they use theirs heads with the expansion and put in more randomly generated stuff instead of focuses on a linear type story it could be something amazing.
  kadepsyson

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Posts: 1964

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 7:28:51 PM#70
Originally posted by Vannor
I like the game. Best combat in an ARPG ever imo. It definately lacks content though and that's the only reason I don't play it on a regular basis. If they use theirs heads with the expansion and put in more randomly generated stuff instead of focuses on a linear type story it could be something amazing.

Your post reminded me of Sacred 2.  Mainly because of the huge number of quests, massive world to run through, two different campaigns, and an expansion I haven't tried yet which adds even more.

Think I'll download that, could be fun.  Last time I played it it was fun, and it didn't become non-functional for periods of time that result in my character being dead when the game started to function again Diablo 3 style.

El Psy Congroo

  DAOWAce

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I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.

1/21/13 8:46:39 PM#71

I'm glad I only paid $10 for the game.

I knew before I even got into the beta that it wouldn't hold a candle to Diablo 2.

 

Combat is basically the best part of the game; everything else is mediocre at best.

 

Diablo 2.5 launches in 2 days (Path of Exile).  Great to see the progress the game has been made since I first played it (November 2011).  Been a while, but it'll be worth it.

DAOWAce Xfire Miniprofile
  User Deleted
1/21/13 8:50:29 PM#72
Originally posted by Rednecksith
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by Psychow
Diablo 3 is...oh screw it. Enjoy your hatred forum people. It's what you enjoy most isn't it?

Pretty much this.

Know what, I agree. I could spend hours of my life and pages of text pointing out the misconceptions, double standards, and outright lies the hate train spouts about D3, but I'm done.

What's important is that many people still enjoy the game, love where it's going, and will continue to play for a long time. Others have their little niche game (which isn't bad BTW) and I have mine.

 

Have to agree with this. Especially Psychow's post.

  argos5

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1/21/13 9:05:46 PM#73
Originally posted by Greatsword
Fuck that loser...

LMAO!!! one of the greatest quotes from a Blizzard Employee, when the original Diablo creator remarked about Diablo 3. was it Rob that said "Fuck that loser..." XD

  Silverchild

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1/21/13 9:59:53 PM#74

Problem with D3 is that it was literally built around the AH.

It feels like, at every step, maximizing profits for the RMAH was a core design goal. At the end, the game just doesnt feel right for me.

 

"lol just dont use the ah if you dont like it" > Doesnt work like that. They messed up the loot tables of everyone just to encourage people to use it. Bashiok (if i remember correctly) admitted it in a blue post.

 

Oh, also, for those pro-rmah : Please explain to me why blizzard shouldnt start selling speedhacks and maphacks for all their games. I mean, people are going to hack anyway.... why not make some money from it? Wouldnt hurt anyone, would it?

  ThomasN7

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1/21/13 10:04:59 PM#75
I guess this officially makes Diabo 3 a failure. I'm sad really because i love the franchise but the steps they took forward with Diablo 3 sure ruined the Diablo name. I never thought this would happen to such a great franchise, or should I say once was great.
  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 10:11:56 PM#76
Originally posted by Normandy7
I guess this officially makes Diabo 3 a failure. I'm sad really because i love the franchise but the steps they took forward with Diablo 3 sure ruined the Diablo name. I never thought this would happen to such a great franchise, or should I say once was great.

A disservice to fans of the franchise perhaps, but not a financial failure.  With the money Blizzard gains from expensive box sales, and the stream of income from its allowed Real Money Trading, it is doing pretty nice with its plan to make the most money no matter what anyone thinks.

El Psy Congroo

  Silverchild

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1/21/13 10:21:18 PM#77

As a game, d3 is certainly not a financial failure. However, was it worth it to kill the entire franchise?

 

Think about long term profit. Blizzard is diablo, warcraft, and startcraft, and they just might never get the chance to make D4.

  catlana

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1/21/13 11:39:01 PM#78
Originally posted by Normandy7
I guess this officially makes Diabo 3 a failure. I'm sad really because i love the franchise but the steps they took forward with Diablo 3 sure ruined the Diablo name. I never thought this would happen to such a great franchise, or should I say once was great.

I was also very disappointed with Diablo 3. The over simplification of stats and skills. The extremely easy gameplay that I was told to suffer through so the game would get better. The RM auction house being the center of the game. The inability of people to login (error 37) and play. The relationship to the fans and creators of previous games (ala "fuck that loser"). I am not planning on ever buying another Diablo game again.   

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 11:41:57 PM#79
Originally posted by catlana
Originally posted by Normandy7
I guess this officially makes Diabo 3 a failure. I'm sad really because i love the franchise but the steps they took forward with Diablo 3 sure ruined the Diablo name. I never thought this would happen to such a great franchise, or should I say once was great.

I was also very disappointed with Diablo 3. The over simplification of stats and skills. The extremely easy gameplay that I was told to suffer through so the game would get better. The RM auction house being the center of the game. The inability of people to login (error 37) and play. The relationship to the fans and creators of previous games (ala "fuck that loser"). I am not planning on ever buying another Diablo game again.   

Ah yes, the error codes.

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1/21/13 11:51:15 PM#80
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Long time Diablo 1 & 2 player who was looking forward to this game.  Never have been so disappointed in a game before.  Worst itemization I have seen.  Drops were horrid, the only way to equip your character was off the auction house.  Sorry, rather find my equipment.  Hence I gave the game to my son, who soon ditched it too.

The pvp never materialized and the patches do little to fix the game.  Heck I would have accepted a graphically updated Diablo II over this any day in the week.

So yeah, Jay Wilson basically blew it.  Anyone attempting to say nice things about the job he did, did not play the game much.

You do realise the items on the AH were found by REAL players,

 

Botting is a major issue in D3, head over to the Demonbuddy forums and look at how many people are talking about running 10+ bots at the same time. Nothing you see on the AH was necessarily found by a real player.

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