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  Greatsword

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1/21/13 3:15:14 PM#21
Fuck that loser...
  nilden

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1/21/13 3:21:07 PM#22
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by jimdandy26
RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.

Yeah.  Great.

They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it.

There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it.

All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.

You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.

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  steamtank

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1/21/13 3:26:10 PM#23

I have just recently started playing D3 again. This time knowing that RMAH had removed any sense of competitive gameplay. It is fun in small doses.  I filled all three tabs of my chest twice without finding a single upgrade, and only found 1 item worth putting on the gold AH. 

The AH system is terrible. PoE does so much more for drops.  I just wish PoE had the combat speed of D3.

I will be playing PoE (i donated for beta but didnt want to burn myself out before release) as soon as it releases and chances are wont play D3 anymore. 

I remember playing D1. It was scary, gear was cool, you could FIND your own upgrades at a reasonable pace. I actually kept my armor look at T2 because i thought the chainmail was way cooler looking. So i would constantly rerun those sections to upgrade as T2 without the T3 look. It was fun and I could still beat diablo since the rest of my gear was OMGWFTBBQ power.

  jimdandy26

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1/21/13 3:29:34 PM#24
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by jimdandy26
RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.

Yeah.  Great.

They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it.

There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it.

All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.

You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.

But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.

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  Zefire

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1/21/13 3:34:28 PM#25

First of all they must get rid of the stupid cartoon graphics that does not match with a diablo game.

Secondly they mast get rid of all the stupid dialogs and the stupid companions.

Finally send all your developers to play the diablo 1 and 2 and then start developing again from scratch.

And get rid of the ponies diablo was a game for hardcore players nad not for pussies with ponies.

After all that we may speak again about a diablo game till then path of exile feels more like diablo than the actual diablo 3

  User Deleted
1/21/13 3:37:47 PM#26
Originally posted by Zefire

First of all they must get rid of the stupid cartoon graphics that does not match with a diablo game.

Secondly they mast get rid of all the stupid dialogs and the stupid companions.

Finally send all your developers to play the diablo 1 and 2 and then start developing again from scratch.

And get rid of the ponies diablo was a game for hardcore players nad not for pussies with ponies.

After all that we may speak again about a diablo game till then path of exile feels more like diablo than the actual diablo 3

 

I agree with everything except your first 5 points...

  Foncl

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Joined: 11/14/11
Posts: 186

1/21/13 3:42:56 PM#27

They dismissed feedback for years prior to release with an attitude of "we know best" and "people are looking at diablo 2 with rose tinted goggles", they didn't have a proper beta to get feedback. Then they released this flawed game with a RMAH, ofcourse people who made the decisions are going to get criticised.

 

Writing "fuck that loser" directed at the creator of diablo 2 doesn't make you more popular either. He deserves no sympathy imo.

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 4:04:12 PM#28
Originally posted by jimdandy26
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by jimdandy26
RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.

Yeah.  Great.

They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it.

There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it.

All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.

You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.

But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.

So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?

El Psy Congroo

  lizardbones

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1/21/13 4:05:53 PM#29


Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26 RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.
Yeah.  Great. They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it. There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it. All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.
You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.
But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.
So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?




Wouldn't PvP have to exist in the game in the first place for that argument to make sense?

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 4:10:53 PM#30
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26 RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.
Yeah.  Great. They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it. There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it. All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.
You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.
But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.
So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

 

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?




Wouldn't PvP have to exist in the game in the first place for that argument to make sense?

 

Whether duels are PVP could be debatable.  However there are duels on the test realm, and coming shortly to live once the patch being tested is sent to live servers.

So what now.

El Psy Congroo

  User Deleted
1/21/13 4:13:27 PM#31
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26 RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.
Yeah.  Great. They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it. There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it. All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.
You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.
But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.
So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

 

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?




Wouldn't PvP have to exist in the game in the first place for that argument to make sense?

 

Whether duels are PVP could be debatable.  However there are duels on the test realm, and coming shortly to live once the patch being tested is sent to live servers.

So what now.

 

So we are judging a game on duels now are we? Really?

 

Lame

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 4:15:49 PM#32
Originally posted by Psychow
 

 

So we are judging a game on duels now are we? Really?

 

Lame

No.  I have no idea where you got that from because it is so far from what has been said.

I was actually talking about design decisions including the Real Money Auction House.  You know, where Blizzard decided to cash in on Real Money Trading - normally a bannable action in other online games.

I don't judge Diablo based on duels, and if your critical thinking skills lead you to believe that, well, then I agree with the last word in your post I quoted.

El Psy Congroo

  mad-hatter

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1/21/13 4:18:19 PM#33

All these people complaining about RMAH are forgetting, or never experienced, the 3rd party item shops of D2.  Anyone remember when a Windforce was going for damn near 600$?  Anyone?  Sure nowadays D2 items are pennies but back then I believe MORE players were buying their items than what we have now in D3 with the RMAH.

Either way, it doesn't matter what game it is, if there is an option to buy items for an advantage, there is always going to be that crowd that will do so.  This is not the reason D3 fails.  D3 fails because the story, itemization, and gameplay are just lacking for what we would expect from a Blizzard game.  It has forever tainted the Diablo name.

  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/21/13 4:26:40 PM#34
Originally posted by mad-hatter

All these people complaining about RMAH are forgetting, or never experienced, the 3rd party item shops of D2.  Anyone remember when a Windforce was going for damn near 600$?  Anyone?  Sure nowadays D2 items are pennies but back then I believe MORE players were buying their items than what we have now in D3 with the RMAH.

Either way, it doesn't matter what game it is, if there is an option to buy items for an advantage, there is always going to be that crowd that will do so.  This is not the reason D3 fails.  D3 fails because the story, itemization, and gameplay are just lacking for what we would expect from a Blizzard game.  It has forever tainted the Diablo name.

No, I never did notice the price of a windforce while playing Diablo 2.  Perhaps that was because it wasn't listed in the game Diablo 2.  Perhaps it was because I didn't break the terms of service and engage in Real Money Trading.

 

Sure there are people who want to pay to get ahead in a game.  So let them get banned and don't try to turn RMT into the norm.

It's like Blizzard said "We can't stop all the RMT, so let's just give in and do it too."  That's not unethical greed to you guys?

To me it cheapens a games experience when things that can be earned through gameplay can just be outright purchased instead.

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  jimdandy26

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1/21/13 4:26:58 PM#35
Originally posted by kadepsyson
 

So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?

Its one of the better ways to put two people on the same footing. Or are you really going to dismiss the other side of that argument for those who have time to farm essentially infinitely and those who do not? Also keep in mind that the RMAH is an extremely elegent solution. Not only does this stop third party sales, with all of the hacked accounts that go with it, but this also ensures a new cash cow for the company. Much like how Plex is such a great solution to deal with rmt, this is another, and one that benefits many players.

 

Originally posted by kadepsyson
 

No, I never did notice the price of a windforce while playing Diablo 2.  Perhaps that was because it wasn't listed in the game Diablo 2.  Perhaps it was because I didn't break the terms of service and engage in Real Money Trading.

 

Sure there are people who want to pay to get ahead in a game.  So let them get banned and don't try to turn RMT into the norm.

It's like Blizzard said "We can't stop all the RMT, so let's just give in and do it too."  That's not unethical greed to you guys?

To me it cheapens a games experience when things that can be earned through gameplay can just be outright purchased instead.

And leave that market untapped? Keep in mind that ever dollar that Blizzard takes is one that is not going overseas, meaning as the market gets smaller fewer and fewer will take part. The market will be filled regardless, I would rather see a nicely controlled one, where actual players have a chance to make a profit too, than to see that cash go to overseas funding the people who hack to nuke accounts.

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1/21/13 4:32:24 PM#36
Originally posted by jimdandy26
Originally posted by kadepsyson
 

So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?

Its one of the better ways to put two people on the same footing. Or are you really going to dismiss the other side of that argument for those who have time to farm essentially infinitely and those who do not? Also keep in mind that the RMAH is an extremely elegent solution. Not only does this stop third party sales, with all of the hacked accounts that go with it, but this also ensures a new cash cow for the company. Much like how Plex is such a great solution to deal with rmt, this is another, and one that benefits many players.

Why would I want to dismiss that arguement?  You know, the one where people playing the game should get rewards from their gameplay.  Why would I be against playing a game to earn in game things?

You say it stops third party sales and hacked accounts, and I literally busted out laughing.  I don't mean to be rude, but multiple times a day I have received friend requests in Diablo 3 that really are bots advertising their 3rd party RMT sites.  People still buy those, people still lose control over their accounts.  So yes, it didn't stop 3rd party RMT.  People still do that, and still lose accounts, but now Blizzard does it too to cash in on the RMT.

Also, PLEX to me is horrible.  Yes I can see the advantage of using in game money to fund your gametime.  However, when  a person can outright buy a character that has taken years to gain the skills it has, any ship available for sale, and pretty much any other market item, that is terrible.  It cheapens the experience, including the risk vs reward PVP.  Why care if you risk an expensive ship if you can just open your wallet and replace it?

So yes, I do not appreciate RMT, even when the developers use it to cash in on normally a bannable offense.

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  kadepsyson

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1/21/13 4:39:29 PM#37
Originally posted by jimdandy26

And leave that market untapped? Keep in mind that ever dollar that Blizzard takes is one that is not going overseas, meaning as the market gets smaller fewer and fewer will take part. The market will be filled regardless, I would rather see a nicely controlled one, where actual players have a chance to make a profit too, than to see that cash go to overseas funding the people who hack to nuke accounts.

There's also a market for cash shop random item packs.  Pay 10 dollars and get a tiny chance at something awesome, but usually something mundane and worthless.  Players have spent thousands individually on such things, maybe you should tell Blizzard about another untapped market for Diablo?

 

If it was nicely controlled, there wouldn't be people still going to third party sites for cheaper than Blizzard prices, or losing their accounts over such things.  The only thing Blizzard has done with this is to make money off cheapening the game experience for everyone.  They chose money over quality.  They no longer see asian gold farmers as leeches on their game, but as their competitors.

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1/21/13 4:39:42 PM#38
Originally posted by jimdandy26
Originally posted by kadepsyson
 

So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?

How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage?

How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage?

Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?

Its one of the better ways to put two people on the same footing. Or are you really going to dismiss the other side of that argument for those who have time to farm essentially infinitely and those who do not? Also keep in mind that the RMAH is an extremely elegent solution. Not only does this stop third party sales, with all of the hacked accounts that go with it, but this also ensures a new cash cow for the company. Much like how Plex is such a great solution to deal with rmt, this is another, and one that benefits many players.

Your kidding right?

 

Cash cow is too good a word.

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1/21/13 4:44:41 PM#39


Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by nilden

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by jimdandy26 RMAH existed for D2. It existed for Uo, and Eq, and Daoc. It even existed in one form or another for Wow and virtually every other game that has had something that someone else wants. Blizzard did a smart thing and not only monetized it for themselves, but actually took it into account. Of all the bad things that D3 did, the RMAH is not one of them.
Yeah.  Great. They decided to cash in on real money trading instead of banning people for doing it. There still are people who use third party sites for RMT in Diablo 3.  Still bots that advertise it. All Blizzard did was cash in on RMT.
You can't defend the RMAH when some people say cash shops are fine only if cosmetic well guess what D3 is full on pay to win and IMHO it's a horrible way to have any game. No way I want to play something that is just about who has more money to throw away on virtual items.
But thats not what p2w even means! Pay to win is what happens when those who spend money have an advantage over those who do not. Trading time for money is nowhere near the same thing, no matter how many of you argue that it is. I mean look at MMOdad, his entire angry rant is because he did something he obviously did not enjoy so he could pwn noobs when a new feature launched. He is pissed off because all that time he spent to get that advantage is "easily" done by others for "less work". I have no sympathy for him in the slightest.
So the people who buy items for real money the likes of which I may never see outside of the auction house do not have an advantage when they PVP me?   How is upgrading your equipment for real money not an advantage? How is saving hundreds of hours of searching and having a chance to find an upgrade by opening your wallet not an advantage? Do you honestly believe that buying equipment and saving tons of time is not an advantage?
Wouldn't PvP have to exist in the game in the first place for that argument to make sense?  
Whether duels are PVP could be debatable.  However there are duels on the test realm, and coming shortly to live once the patch being tested is sent to live servers.

So what now.




I would say that duels, unless they come with some kind of reward aren't worth bothering about.

For other types of PvP, it all just depends.

How much difference does the auction house gear make? From the people I've talked to, the difference is minimal. It does make a difference, but it's not the difference between killing a boss or not killing a boss, so I would think it won't make the difference between killing a player and not killing a player. In order for it to be Pay2Win, the player needs to be able to gain a distinct or decisive advantage by spending money.

How will players face each other in PvP? How will the players be ranked? If an advantage is possible through buying gear out of the AH, is the advantage long term or short term? That depends on how much D3's PvP is skill dependent and how much it depends on gear, in addition to how players are ranked to face each other. We only have dueling to go on right now, so it's hard to say how it will play out. Perhaps there will be perks obtainable through PvP, that cannot be bought in the AH. Those players who PvP and are good, regardless of gear will get the perks. Of course, I'm just making that up, but we need to see how it's going to play out before saying it's Pay2Win.

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1/21/13 4:52:26 PM#40
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


I would say that duels, unless they come with some kind of reward aren't worth bothering about.

For other types of PvP, it all just depends.

How much difference does the auction house gear make? From the people I've talked to, the difference is minimal. It does make a difference, but it's not the difference between killing a boss or not killing a boss, so I would think it won't make the difference between killing a player and not killing a player. In order for it to be Pay2Win, the player needs to be able to gain a distinct or decisive advantage by spending money.

How will players face each other in PvP? How will the players be ranked? If an advantage is possible through buying gear out of the AH, is the advantage long term or short term? That depends on how much D3's PvP is skill dependent and how much it depends on gear, in addition to how players are ranked to face each other. We only have dueling to go on right now, so it's hard to say how it will play out. Perhaps there will be perks obtainable through PvP, that cannot be bought in the AH. Those players who PvP and are good, regardless of gear will get the perks. Of course, I'm just making that up, but we need to see how it's going to play out before saying it's Pay2Win.

 

This quote got messed up with formatting, but anyways.

I agree that duels are not much to write home about.  I believe they are by definition a form of PVP combat, but without any reward or stake they're just meh to me.

However, I am fairly certain I could double my character's health and damage by opening my wallet.  With how many times I have come very close to killing a boss, having even 50% more health and damage would have easily clinched it for me.  Also, with adjustable Monster Power that provide higher rewards the harder the monsters get, it becomes more apparent.  For example, a certain boss fight on Monster Power 1 caused me some significant struggle a while ago.  After upgrading my gear through gameplay, I was able to defeat it.  The monster power goes up to 10, and I am nowhere near that yet.  If I opened my wallet, I could jump up to higher rewards immediately.  Same bosses, but paying money gets me the ability to defeat them on a harder mode, and get more rewards for it.

I don't see how the length of an advantage or whether there is any kind of ranking changes the fact that it is still an advantage.

Even if RMT bought gear gets you enough advantage to win just one PVP fight with no reward or perk, that was still an advantage.

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