Originally posted by c0exist
My question is this, if leveling and story quests are soloable why not just make another single player game?  I have been excited about this game since I heard news of it, as i am a huge rpg fan.  What makes the best mmorpgs in my opinion is that we are fighting as a group towards some evil incarnate or fighting for some other purpose.  Now sure some quests will be soloable but the fact that you can "beat the main story" by yourself contradicts the game being an mmo.  At that point its a single player game where you see random people running around instead of interacting with people to obtain a goal.  Because lets face it, an mmo is as good as its community and if you allow people to solo pretty much 90% of the game then a community doesnt exist.  My favorite mmorpg memories are when i was grouping with others and not through an instant match system where i would never see those people again but people who are actually on my server where i can call for their helkp and vice versa.  But maybe im weird, I really want to play this game and i will because i love elder scrolls game but the longevity of the game for me wont be there if this is the case.

Every mmo on the market is soloable through the main story to max level. I haven't played one yet I cannot.  The only time I do group stuff is when it is monster content that is made for groups. All mmo's have that feature as well. Not sure what the gripe is I think you may be confused.

Originally posted by c0exist
My question is this, if leveling and story quests are soloable why not just make another single player game?  I have been excited about this game since I heard news of it, as i am a huge rpg fan.  What makes the best mmorpgs in my opinion is that we are fighting as a group towards some evil incarnate or fighting for some other purpose.  Now sure some quests will be soloable but the fact that you can "beat the main story" by yourself contradicts the game being an mmo.  At that point its a single player game where you see random people running around instead of interacting with people to obtain a goal.  Because lets face it, an mmo is as good as its community and if you allow people to solo pretty much 90% of the game then a community doesnt exist.  My favorite mmorpg memories are when i was grouping with others and not through an instant match system where i would never see those people again but people who are actually on my server where i can call for their helkp and vice versa.  But maybe im weird, I really want to play this game and i will because i love elder scrolls game but the longevity of the game for me wont be there if this is the case.

Because after you get done doing the story crap you can then play the main part of the game which will be 3 faction pvp or higher tier pve that may require grouping. The story is just to get you to max level. You can group up and make it easier or challenge yourself and do them solo. In DAOC some classes were able to complete their quests solo but others asked for help with certain parts. I am completley ok with this as the main objective of the game for me will be the RvR. For me the leveling experience is just getting me used to new abilities and spells in order to prep you for the end game content.

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Originally posted by Coman

Just because you can do something alone, does not mean you have to do it alone. Really...why does a big portion of the crowd that want to play with others need to be forced to play with others? 

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They are not forced themselves, they want to force OTHERS to play the game how they believe the game should be played...

Originally posted by ant211

Originally posted by calranthe

Originally posted by ant211

i agree with OP. plenty of soloable games out already. ffxi was the best mmo for me because it was hard to achieve objectives without a good group. felt more rewarding and acievements meant more because not everyone could have the best shit.

i hope one day someone has the balls to make a tough game where adventure and levelling is the main focus and end game isnt the be all end all.

I like main story being 100% solo in an mmo, if an mmo has a story a good story you want to read and emerse yourself in that is not easily possible in groups, how many groups do you know who will let you wander around in a quest soaking up the atmosphere or roleplay ?

Play a single player game then

Well that is the standard reply sadly I have played multiplayer games since the 80's with the old bbs games, grouping had not even been invented in these games back then but we still played together chatting through talk while hitting the v key to kill a thing.

When I play an mmo it is to be social and yes I sometimes group but I do not need a game mechanic like "forced grouping" to cause me to group,

A single player game does not have the interaction in town and maybe making new friends that an mmo has.

I was brought up on films and fantasy where the lone hero saved the day, yes other people were around but  usually you had one main guy and sidekicks, I love the challenge of going out alone and adventuring in an mmo and then  talking to my friends back at town about my escapades.

Single player games do not give that.

 

wait... your telling me to play a single player game because i want to group up but you want to play an mmo because you want to solo.

your talking in reverse lol

When he says "play a single player game then", thats what others tell him.

 Though, I  can understand how you could interpret it that way.

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Originally posted by Gdemami

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Originally posted by Coman

Just because you can do something alone, does not mean you have to do it alone. Really...why does a big portion of the crowd that want to play with others need to be forced to play with others? 

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They are not forced themselves, they want to force OTHERS to play the game how they believe the game should be played...

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Once a gamer, always a gamer.  

This means gamers are getting older, and with that comes families/jobs/responsibilities.  These gamers dont want to spend thier time looking for a group just to complete content they are paying for.

It is safe to assume all future AAA MMO releases will have a soloable story or suffer becoming a niche title(or worse, be unsuccessful).  Becoming a "niche" title isnt bad, but it is not the goal of any AAA release.