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  Apok_23

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Joined: 1/18/13
Posts: 3

 
OP  1/18/13 2:31:14 PM#1
To each their own, but I just don't dig it. D&D has always been a cerebral game and about immersion into whatever character or world you happened to have created. This combat/art style completely destroys immersion (IMO). Watch the current character class videos and you expect to see a bubbles pop up filled with "BAM!" or "POOOOOW!" like the old sixties Batman show. Combat is so over the top and exaggerated it looks like Marvel vs. Capcom or Street fighter from back in the day. If you like it, more power to you. But there's very little room for the "R" in "RPG" when you swing your sword and it looks like there was a small thermo-nuclear detonation. It saddens me they took the "RPG" out of THE "RPG".
  bcbully

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1/18/13 2:33:52 PM#2
Originally posted by Apok_23
To each their own, but I just don't dig it. D&D has always been a cerebral game and about immersion into whatever character or world you happened to have created. This combat/art style completely destroys immersion (IMO). Watch the current character class videos and you expect to see a bubbles pop up filled with "BAM!" or "POOOOOW!" like the old sixties Batman show. Combat is so over the top and exaggerated it looks like Marvel vs. Capcom or Street fighter from back in the day. If you like it, more power to you. But there's very little room for the "R" in "RPG" when you swing your sword and it looks like there was a small thermo-nuclear detonation. It saddens me they took the "RPG" out of THE "RPG".

 I was gonna say that's a silly reason, but I agree with how D&D should be presented 

  augustgrace

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1/18/13 2:36:00 PM#3

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

1/18/13 2:36:01 PM#4

It saddens me to hear people say they can't roleplay for one reason or another in a game. Whether it be lack of tree-climbing ability or sword animations.

I guess imagination is overrated these days.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Ghavrigg

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Posts: 712

1/18/13 2:39:33 PM#5
Meh, I enjoy the look of the over-the-top animations. Not that big a deal to me. As someone who only played D&D one time and didnt' care for it, this just looks like some fast-paced fun action. Whether it plays as well as it looks is a different story. I don't necessarily trust Cryptic's judgment in terms of fun at this point.
  exwin

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Joined: 3/08/07
Posts: 224

1/18/13 2:45:05 PM#6
All combat and no substance, sounds just like what Cryptic did to Star Trek Online.
  grimal

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1/18/13 2:46:12 PM#7
Do you want us to convince you not to skip it?  What's the point of this thread?

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  Apok_23

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Joined: 1/18/13
Posts: 3

 
OP  1/18/13 2:58:45 PM#8
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.
  Rayshe

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Joined: 11/30/11
Posts: 1295

1/18/13 3:04:13 PM#9
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

Its more the fact that we see people making accounts for the sake of burning down a game. For example with the game i follow being TSW i had somone make a account just to wait for anything wrong to go with the game and then spam threads about it. Its usually hard to tell when people who start complaining on their first post are legit or just trolls.

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  Apok_23

Novice Member

Joined: 1/18/13
Posts: 3

 
OP  1/18/13 3:22:34 PM#10
Originally posted by Rayshe
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

Its more the fact that we see people making accounts for the sake of burning down a game. For example with the game i follow being TSW i had somone make a account just to wait for anything wrong to go with the game and then spam threads about it. Its usually hard to tell when people who start complaining on their first post are legit or just trolls.

 

Thank you. At least you can be an adult. I'm not burning down the game. I just made an observation based on "my" criteria for D&D. I didn't talk trash about people who do like it. I'm old school when it comes to D&D. I have alot of fond memories of the game and really feel the spirit of the game is being bastardised to make a buck. I'm not telling anyone not to play it. I'm just explaining why alot of D&D fans that have been waiting for a Forgotten Realms setting are probably pretty disappointed. I played DDO, but just didn't like the Ebberon setting. For the record, I bought, but did not like "Almur: Reckoning" for the same reasons of art/combat style.
  Istavaan

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Joined: 4/25/12
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1/18/13 3:26:14 PM#11
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by Rayshe
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

Its more the fact that we see people making accounts for the sake of burning down a game. For example with the game i follow being TSW i had somone make a account just to wait for anything wrong to go with the game and then spam threads about it. Its usually hard to tell when people who start complaining on their first post are legit or just trolls.

 

Thank you. At least you can be an adult. I'm not burning down the game. I just made an observation based on "my" criteria for D&D. I didn't talk trash about people who do like it. I'm old school when it comes to D&D. I have alot of fond memories of the game and really feel the spirit of the game is being bastardised to make a buck. I'm not telling anyone not to play it. I'm just explaining why alot of D&D fans that have been waiting for a Forgotten Realms setting are probably pretty disappointed. I played DDO, but just didn't like the Ebberon setting. For the record, I bought, but did not like "Almur: Reckoning" for the same reasons of art/combat style.

You're not burning down the game, REALLY????

  Ambros123

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Joined: 12/04/11
Posts: 891

1/18/13 3:28:01 PM#12
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by Rayshe
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

Its more the fact that we see people making accounts for the sake of burning down a game. For example with the game i follow being TSW i had somone make a account just to wait for anything wrong to go with the game and then spam threads about it. Its usually hard to tell when people who start complaining on their first post are legit or just trolls.

 

Thank you. At least you can be an adult. I'm not burning down the game. I just made an observation based on "my" criteria for D&D. I didn't talk trash about people who do like it. I'm old school when it comes to D&D. I have alot of fond memories of the game and really feel the spirit of the game is being bastardised to make a buck. I'm not telling anyone not to play it. I'm just explaining why alot of D&D fans that have been waiting for a Forgotten Realms setting are probably pretty disappointed. I played DDO, but just didn't like the Ebberon setting. For the record, I bought, but did not like "Almur: Reckoning" for the same reasons of art/combat style.

So says the guy who just created an account to talk smack about a game who won't post on their real account who is such an adult that he is already smack talking other people.  Maybe you missed the news flash but Neverwinter is D&D inspired it is not doing to be a true D&D experiance compared to PnP.

If you think that DDO is D&D then your a hypocrit since DDO is nothing D&D, it is D&D in name only and more bastardizes D&D than NW ever will.

  Entropy14

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1/18/13 3:30:08 PM#13
I hope all other 6.9 to 7 billion in the world make an account to tell us they are not playing.
  User Deleted
1/18/13 3:33:07 PM#14

My suggestion would be to put off making judgement until you find out if the gameplay is to your liking.

 

My reason for saying this is that it's fairly clear that developers aren't giving us many hits with good gameplay.  It might be a really long wait until something else comes along worth playing.

 

  Rohn

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1/18/13 3:34:57 PM#15
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by Rayshe
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

Its more the fact that we see people making accounts for the sake of burning down a game. For example with the game i follow being TSW i had somone make a account just to wait for anything wrong to go with the game and then spam threads about it. Its usually hard to tell when people who start complaining on their first post are legit or just trolls.

 

Thank you. At least you can be an adult. I'm not burning down the game. I just made an observation based on "my" criteria for D&D. I didn't talk trash about people who do like it. I'm old school when it comes to D&D. I have alot of fond memories of the game and really feel the spirit of the game is being bastardised to make a buck. I'm not telling anyone not to play it. I'm just explaining why alot of D&D fans that have been waiting for a Forgotten Realms setting are probably pretty disappointed. I played DDO, but just didn't like the Ebberon setting. For the record, I bought, but did not like "Almur: Reckoning" for the same reasons of art/combat style.

 

I'm a D&D fan, and love the Forgotten Realms setting, and I'm not disappointed in what NW looks like so far.  Actually, it looks like a lot of fun.

When it comes to taste in art or graphics, it's really subjective.  Opinions are just opinions.

Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  augustgrace

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Joined: 1/29/06
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1/18/13 3:36:07 PM#16
Originally posted by Apok_23
Originally posted by augustgrace

whew, this has been weighing pretty heavily on my mind.  Will Apok play? Won't he?  I needs to know now!!!!!

It isn't actually necessary to share your every stray throught with the world.  And you made an account just to post this?!

 

Re read your post, then look up "irony" and proceed to feel as stupid as you look. You think your "530" posts invalidates someone's opinion? Last I checked this was the "general discussion" and that was a "general" observation on my part. For the record, you may want to hold off playing internet mmo tough guy until you remove your TOR sig. That pretty much tells everyone you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to mmo's.

You know what, I actually agree with your feeling regarding over the top effects and actiony combat in a D&D game.  However I understand that the turn based combat of the tabletop isn't going to appeal in a computer game, and the effects are just dressing to keep people interested.  

If you had genuinely come to start a conversation regarding how far the essense of the tabletop should surrender to the necessities of a visual media, then I would have been happy to engage in a discussion.

But you didn't post looking for discussion.  You came to announce, "meh, I'm not going to play...pay attention to me.  My parents won't hug me."  So you came for attention rather than discussion, and that is just what you got.

The only "irony" here is that you clearly don't understand what the word means.

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1/18/13 3:40:57 PM#17

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  Crunchy222

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1/19/13 4:43:48 PM#18

Well i do think the OP brings up a good point.

I think combat is a vital component of mmorpgs, be it more strategy or more action based.  However, his good point comes with the trend in removing the RPG from mmorpg.

At what point do these games turn into MMOAction games?

 

D&D was always about its own little world, rule set, and lore...so its kinda sad to see them attempt to scrap it to appeal to a crowd only interested in combat. 

I guess its that PWE thing they do to games to make them more appealing, and hell, it might be more appealing since theres obviously more people who like all flash and no substance.

 

Ill try it, since its free.  No way in hell im ever giving PVE any money, cant think of a single game they have done even remotely right, and yeah its cryptic who made the game, but i cant recall ever hearing a single positive word on PVE cash shops and their efffect on the game, and i know theyll be dealing with that for sure.

  SpectralHunter

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1/19/13 5:39:08 PM#19
Originally posted by Crunchy222

...obviously more people who like all flash and no substance.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?  Not saying Neverwinter will be both but just because a game has flashy attacks doesn't mean the combat isn't deep.

As for all the recent action oriented MMOs?  It's a backlash from years of tab targetting repetitve pattern button mashing.  But then again action oriented combat is repetitive too but in a different way.

I'm sure people will get sick of high gloss action combat and things will balance out again.  This situation is similar to what is happening with themepark and sandbox MMOs.  We're starting to see more potential sandboxes because of the glut of themepark MMOs in recent years.

  gillrmn

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1/22/13 5:56:17 PM#20
Originally posted by SpectralHunter
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Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?  Not saying Neverwinter will be both but just because a game has flashy attacks doesn't mean the combat isn't deep.

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Nods

 

My sentiments exactly. I want to throw cool moves and have a meaningful story with correct lore and puzzles with "not dumb" combat.

 

Rest of the post about demand and supply seems illuminating, unfortunately my lexicon does not yet register the terms "themepark" and "sandbox" correctly - though sandbox seems like a blackbox in theme to me. Ah! I need to keep up with the trends ... the strain!

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