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bcbully Elite Member Joined: 3/03/12 Posts: 4069	1/19/13 2:06:05 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Please get rid of tutorials. I think they do more harm than good for first impressions. After trying a new beta still under NDA, I just had to stop and say "man this sucks." Now I wasn't talking about the game it's self, because that felt good, real good, but the tutorial made me exit game. Give me a clear concise help center/guide/maual then let me figure it out. Stop this bad tutorial nonsense. /endrant DamonVile- Games built for disposable players are now apparently built by disposable employees.
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jimdandy26 Advanced Member Joined: 6/28/12 Posts: 512	1/19/13 2:21:54 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one. I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won. To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.
Rusque Elite Member Joined: 6/08/10 Posts: 377	1/19/13 2:25:59 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I'm not a fan of "info dump" style tutorials which lead you through every aspect of the game over 1-2 hours. I prefer tutorials to pop up as you encounter new things. "Hey you finally made it to a city, crafting stations are here and here, if you go to one you can learn more about crafting" And then it shouldn't show up until you go to a crafting area and say "Show me".
NBlitz Advanced Member Joined: 2/16/08 Posts: 1815 "Give a man a mask and he will show you his true face." Oscar Wilde	1/19/13 2:34:12 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) MMOs in general need to please as many people as possible from a business perspective. The lowest common denominator needs to be taken into account, I'm afraid.
aWRAY Advanced Member Joined: 7/31/11 Posts: 83	1/19/13 2:38:25 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Alright alright, we hate the tutorials in our MMO's. Especially since the tutorials are extremely similar throughout the genre. But cmon, let's be a little considerate about the ones who have never picked up an MMO before.
n00biz Novice Member Joined: 4/02/11 Posts: 6	1/19/13 2:46:03 PM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Try Planetside 2, and tell me you can figure out what to do in the first 2 hours of gameplay. No Tutorial and you WILL be lost. Tutorials are fine, but should have the option to skip them if you want.
ZombieKen Spotlight Poster Joined: 3/30/10 Posts: 4048 Zombie - Dead but still moving.	1/19/13 2:47:54 PM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Make them skippable and I'm happy. Solves both sides of the problem.
Onomas Elite Member Joined: 7/05/11 Posts: 1019 Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)	1/19/13 2:49:14 PM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Because some people out there refuse to use their brains and figure sh*t out on their own. THey want everything drawed out in crayon kind of like what our mmorpgs have become. mspaintRPG
Icewhite Made History Joined: 7/11/11 Posts: 5524 Pink, it's like red but not quite.	1/19/13 3:38:23 PM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by jimdandy26 Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one. Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade.
Drevar Novice Member Joined: 4/25/04 Posts: 128	1/19/13 3:41:15 PM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) For every person that actually uses their brain to figure out something in an MMORPG, I can show you 200 that will spam global chat asking a question that would have been answered if they had gone through the tutorial.
Loktofeit Elite Member Joined: 1/13/10 Posts: 8785 EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :)	1/19/13 3:42:21 PM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by jimdandy26 Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one. Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade. What these here dudes dun said ---^ filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding.
Rohn Hard Core Member Joined: 7/02/08 Posts: 3503	1/19/13 3:46:00 PM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by jimdandy26 Because anything even half as complex as an mmo needs one. Because not every player logging into an MMO has been playing for a decade. For me, part of the fun of playing a game is figuring things out. With most MMOs, it's really not that hard. Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Kyleran Bitter Vet™ Joined: 9/13/06 Posts: 16782 Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV	1/19/13 3:48:12 PM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) They are my fault, you can blame me for their inclusion in MMOs. ;) On a more serious note, I too enjoy more of a popup style of tutorial as opposed to a 2hr scripted session. "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006 "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon Responsible Drinking - An Oxymoron
Kyleran Bitter Vet™ Joined: 9/13/06 Posts: 16782 Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV	1/19/13 3:48:12 PM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Double post "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006 "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon Responsible Drinking - An Oxymoron
User Deleted	1/19/13 3:50:59 PM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Tutorials are fine. The problem is when they are poorly designed.
birdycephon Hard Core Member Joined: 8/08/09 Posts: 1325 Not Safe For Woona (NSFW)	1/19/13 5:09:56 PM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well?
steamtank Novice Member Joined: 7/10/09 Posts: 297	1/19/13 5:12:00 PM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) EvE has a great tutorial CoX had a decent one. Short, provided rewards, and was skippable if you REALLLLLLLY wanted to be in the main zones
Ramonski7 Spotlight Poster Joined: 5/21/03 Posts: 2225 "A wise man has something to say, but a fool just has to say something."	1/19/13 5:13:38 PM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Sorry I'm the explorer-type so forgive me if this comes out sounding a bit prickish but: "If you coming aboard a mmo expecting to be shown how to play instead of yearning to learn how to play you're right where devs and their current creations want you." Now with that being said, I understand the need to show new players the basics but for every "job" that devs design a system to take over that a mmo's community has traditionally handled very well, it chips away at the very foundation needed in order to build a strong one. "Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Ramonski7 Spotlight Poster Joined: 5/21/03 Posts: 2225 "A wise man has something to say, but a fool just has to say something."	1/19/13 5:14:26 PM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by birdycephon Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well? Nope they went the way of tree killing "Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Loktofeit Elite Member Joined: 1/13/10 Posts: 8785 EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :)	1/19/13 5:16:18 PM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by birdycephon Didn't Ultima Online have a tutorial as well? UO didn't have a tutorial until years after release. Like EVE, it's a game that desperately needs one because of everything there is to do in it, but I can only image the developers says "Well, ... where the **** do we start?!?!" filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding.