Well for me, it seems like the industry follows the money. Something sells well, make clones, until they fail. I like to speak up from the start, hoping not to see the industry go down the boring clone road. 

I don't think I want to see games fai;, but I don't want to see what I see as a bad game do well. I'm afraid we'll see 2-5 years of more of the same.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Because you have to tear down the old building and haul off the garbage before you can build something people will actually enjoy. The more MMO's that fail, the more likely we are to end up getting good games.

I personally don't enjoy watching games fail, but I would guess that would be the reason.

Personally I think it has to do with the 'ME generation' - it is all about me - them thinking - I am important - What I want is what everyone wants, etc. Also, everyone is a critic but there are NO EXPERTS.

This is actually probably more accurate than my post, well said.

Originally posted by Kyleran

It's nothing personal.  Simple fact is I want new MMORPG's to be built that incorporate some of the features and designs that I prefer, and currently the main focus of most titles is decidedly different from that.

Way I see it, the only way I'll ever have a chance of seeing a bit more variation in the feature sets of new games is for the current crop being delivered to fail, and fail miserably. 

Yeah, I know my view is selfish, I'm just like that what can I say. 

Unfortunately game design more or less follows the herd in terms of design so I need to see the herd run right off the cliff in order for there to be a chance of something more to my liking being delivered.

Good news for most other folks is that my campaign so far has only been partially successful.  Plenty of titles keep crashing against the rocks, but developers keep sending us the same thing again and again. (with some subtle variations I'll grant)

Or maybe like that other guy said, I'm just a douche.

 

The problem is - it is personal - when you are selfish it is personal.

People think they know what goes into game design but they really don't because they haven't done it. Just because they know what what they want in a game doesn't mean it is possible. I said this before, all games, cars, etc anything designed is a compromise. We have had no-compromise cars, take the Bugatti Veryon, at 1.5 million dollars a car - it is a statement but that is it. Same can be said with games. One could make a no-compromise game but would people be able to afford the price of it or let alone the PC to play it? Probably not. To make things the costs more realistic, they have to compromise. Unfortunately, people with opinions do not have to compromise - they assume everything they want can be done, even if the actual game developer says it can't. An example of this was a recent thread here, about GW2, where people kept saying they want open world PvP and there were actual quotes, from A.Net developers, saying that Open world PvP cannot be put in the game because the game wasn't designed for it.

It is true that some people want to see certain things fail since they don't want games going in that direction, but I also believe that many people simply want MMO's to fail because they watching the drama unfold.  They get some kind of pleasure out of it.  I think a lot of this stems from past failures like Dark and Light, Mourning, and several other spectacularily hyped failures like Rapid Reality Studios.

Essentially, they're entertained by MMO failure.

Originally posted by Quizzical
If a game is highly successful, then there are likely to be many efforts at copying it.  You want that to happen to games you like, not games you hate.

bingo.

Let me get this out there.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on these boards that hopes for the equivalent of a "Dinosaur Killing Meteor" to hit the MMORPG genre.  IMO, it's still stuffering from the illness of developers constantly trying (and failing) to chase WoW's success.  Modern, traditional MMORPGs in general are still being compared to how close they are with WoW.  This is most especially so with big-name releases.  I still think developers are funelling into the same path of development.  Very few dare to be different, and if they are they will not get the big bucks to go on.

SWTOR, by far and easily the biggest MMORPG title in quite a number of years, is about as blatantly uninsipired in MMORPG game design as you can get, despite the fantastic "Star Wars" license and the insane amount of money thrown towards development.  It is the shiniest, easiest example of uninspired design.  You had BioWare... BioWare, of all development houses, openly saying that to defy WoW's design is stupidity.  If there was a title that in alot of years could have really been something, it was SWTOR.  It had "Star Wars."  It had BioWare, the dev house behind KOTOR1.  It had BioWare's reputation to potentially do what they want, because it was BioWare.  It had a healthy amount of time and insane money for development.  And the end result is what is out there now...

You have a disastrous example of an MMORPG that, IMO, truly had a chance to shake the foundations of the MMORPG genre and realign the power structure.  And it proudly settled on being mediocre and uninspired in its design.  And it wasn't the first to do so and it will not be the last.  And it's been going on since about 2004-2005.

A fine justification for that nice Meteor to hit.  Maybe there'll be better diversity afterwards for whatever comes out of the ashes.

I'm not a sports fan, but I think I can draw a parallel.

Being an MMO fan is not unlike being a sports fan.  There are teams you like and teams you don't.  When a team you don't like loses to a team that you do like, there's a sense of satisfaction.

Although applied to MMOs it sounds kind of twisted. 

Originally posted by Scottgun
Because it is justice when garbage gets hauled to the trash heap. We ought to be pleased/enjoy/happy when justice is done.

I see this arguement a lot but never do they go in depth to why said games were garbage.

Again - people who are saying 'it is because they don't know how to write a game' or 'is following WoW' or any of the other of the 'multitude of hater platitudes' really need to understand how games are designed, developed, coded, etc. It they actually understood it, they might be able to understand it is easy to be a critic, hard to be an expert. And don't say I went to college for game programming either,college education is one part, real world experience is the other.

The honest thing is, these game companies are made of fans, just like us. BUT, they have to work in the real world where money talks. If a game makes no money, it dies. Sandbox games have a very small market draw, there I said it. If you think not, then why aren't there more sandbox games out there? Companies need to continually draw new people into the market, if they don't then the market can only support so many games. It will eventually peak, but right now, it is not.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Kyleran

It's nothing personal.  Simple fact is I want new MMORPG's to be built that incorporate some of the features and designs that I prefer, and currently the main focus of most titles is decidedly different from that.

Way I see it, the only way I'll ever have a chance of seeing a bit more variation in the feature sets of new games is for the current crop being delivered to fail, and fail miserably. 

Yeah, I know my view is selfish, I'm just like that what can I say. 

Unfortunately game design more or less follows the herd in terms of design so I need to see the herd run right off the cliff in order for there to be a chance of something more to my liking being delivered.

Good news for most other folks is that my campaign so far has only been partially successful.  Plenty of titles keep crashing against the rocks, but developers keep sending us the same thing again and again. (with some subtle variations I'll grant)

Or maybe like that other guy said, I'm just a douche.

 

The problem is - it is personal - when you are selfish it is personal.

 

People think they know what goes into game design but they really don't because they haven't done it. Just because what they want in a game doesn't mean it is possible. I said this before, all games, cars, etc anything designed is a compromise. We have has no-compromise cars, take the Bugatti Veryon, at 1.5 million dollars a car - it is a statement but that is it. Same can be said with games. One could make a no-compromise game but would people be able to afford the price of it? Probably not. To make things the costs more realistic, they have to compromise. Unfortunately, people with opinions do not have to compromise - they assume everything they want can be done, even if the actual game developer says it can't. An example of this was a recent thread here, about GW2, where people kept saying they want open world PvP and there were actual quotes, from A.Net developers, saying that Open world PvP cannot be put in the game because the game wasn't designed for it.

What I want in modern MMO's was delivered successfully by titles such as UO, DAOC and AC over 10 years ago. 

I'm not looking for them to re-invent the wheel, but rather revisit some of the mechanics and designs from the past that have been tossed aside over the years.

In a nutshell - Think DAOC 2.0 without the WOWification that WAR underwent.

This theory has been proposed before, but welcome to the Internet, already in progress.

Because I'm a narcissistic, evil, vindictive bastard. 

Originally posted by Orthus.Aku

Originally posted by Scottgun
Because it is justice when garbage gets hauled to the trash heap. We ought to be pleased/enjoy/happy when justice is done.

I see this arguement a lot but never do they go in depth to why said games were garbage.

I'm answering a question that has alot of question begging in it as well as ad hominem. So, it's a somewhat of a pert answer.