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  mrcheapy

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Joined: 9/19/12
Posts: 59

1/15/13 7:56:54 AM#161

most dont hate the game, they just hate seeing the direction it has been drug through. i assume most people here once did like the game, but after seeing the decline are rather disenfranchised. its not their job to sell the game to people, i like the game but all the people i've introduced to either can't run it , or can't understand it. there are problems to ww2ol that you can't even MENTION on playschool forums because it gets locked. 

 

  Stug

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 399

1/15/13 12:54:41 PM#162
Yup -wwiiol is for the thinking gamer cheapy. No two ways about it that, and that is certainly a strength in some ways.

  Hodo

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Joined: 6/05/08
Posts: 559

1/15/13 2:14:47 PM#163

[quote] Originally posted by wrath04 [quote] <snip>quote] 

I still play off and on, on my alt account. I was on this past weekend, 4 AOs and around 100 people online. It was to say the least depressing.

Checked both Teamspeaks, and there were at most 20 people in the Axis TS when I checked and thats spread out over 30 different channels.

The lag issue is pretty bad also, I watched a few people rubberband around, one rifleman run off into the sky. Nice to see they havent fixed that yet. Then you have the I shot him, and 3 seconds later when the packet gets to my computer, I die, because he shot me.

And they still havent improved the flightmodel. It still feels like I am flying a poorly designed paper airplane balanced on the head of a pin. The random snap stalls and spins are stupid. Also they havent fixed the slats on the Bf109. They still pop in and out like they are spring loaded. Trueth is they are much like the flaps on the aircraft, they operate pretty deliberately, not suddenly.

This was tested and confirmed by several people back in 2003 at an air show with a surviving 109. But now I am nitpicking again.

So much crap, so little quality.

  wrath04

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Joined: 6/14/11
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1/15/13 3:01:33 PM#164
Originally posted by Hodo

[quote] Originally posted by wrath04 [quote] quote] 

I still play off and on, on my alt account. I was on this past weekend, 4 AOs and around 100 people online. It was to say the least depressing.

Checked both Teamspeaks, and there were at most 20 people in the Axis TS when I checked and thats spread out over 30 different channels.

The lag issue is pretty bad also, I watched a few people rubberband around, one rifleman run off into the sky. Nice to see they havent fixed that yet. Then you have the I shot him, and 3 seconds later when the packet gets to my computer, I die, because he shot me.

And they still havent improved the flightmodel. It still feels like I am flying a poorly designed paper airplane balanced on the head of a pin. The random snap stalls and spins are stupid. Also they havent fixed the slats on the Bf109. They still pop in and out like they are spring loaded. Trueth is they are much like the flaps on the aircraft, they operate pretty deliberately, not suddenly.

This was tested and confirmed by several people back in 2003 at an air show with a surviving 109. But now I am nitpicking again.

Whazzup Bro!

Yeah I wish more people were on too and that was most of the reason for me to come into the forum and try to speak up. I don't find it sad or anything like that because I see the pop picking back up slowly again imo...But for a while there I wasn't sure, and that was scary.

I just didn't feel good about sitting around watching people go. I have a healthy respect for even the most ardent haters here, to me, some of thier plight represents how I felt way back when some of the changes that I hated to see made took place. But at the same time I gotta be honest here by saying the Game is Still Great...I wouldn't waste my time on it if it wasn't. I Think I'm still a sensible person lol hell I don't know sometimes though :)

I play mostly Infantry so I'm not much of a pilot, lol That's the UNDERSTATEMENT of the world LOL  let's put it this way, they should code it to where I can't get within 1000m of a runway,I'm so bad lol. I've even unplugged my j/s to stamp-out any temptation!

No doubt there's alot of things that need worked on with the game, many have been mentioned already so i'm not gonna beat a dead horse listing any, but I think people should know that there's ALOT of GREAT things going in the game too.

I wish you vets that left for one reason or another could "bury the hatchet" and come back to the rest of us players you left behind. I think I speak for alot, if not most, when I say you guys are more needed now than ever.

I also would like to mention how COOL this community is. For example,Last night before I went FB busting with a new friend, there was a "green tag"(new player) asking how to use area chat, and what was an FRU, ect, In open channel...and almost instantly, 4 or 5 Vets spoke up and helped him out. This is not a revealation or anything, I see this kind of thing go on all the time. As well as the players who have the help channel tuned. To me ,it's this kind of thing that strengthens this community. And part of the reason I have GREAT HOPE, that this game will go on for years to come.

Damnit!  Just thinking about it makes me want to log in right now. But I have to wait a bit. Sorry for another wall of text man, but it had to be said. Look me up anytime in-game(wrath04) and we'll have some fun! as long as you do the flying:)

  axishatr

Novice Member

Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  1/16/13 8:26:42 AM#165

What you are seeing here, mmorpg subscribers is a company driven (orders by the pr staff) to come over here and defend thier dead game. 

 

You see, the pr guy came over and got his arse handed to him.  He got his threads deleted and locked.  Why?  Because he is terrible at what he does.

 

However, what he is good at is swinging his virtual "big club" to make people do things.  Thats why likes of company0 (a crs rep) is over here promoting a "positive" vibe for this game.  Yes, it takes an order to get people to come defend this pile.

 

What do we get overall?  You see the same 10 people defending the game.  It's the long time drones of this game that have more invested in it with money and TIME then most of the people carrying a crs tag these days.  You see the scared old timers in panic mode that the game is gone soon.  Another last ditch effort to save the dealer for their addiction.

 

I find it amusing that we see these "new" people posting but it always seems they have a full understanding of the current admin in game and the lingo used in that world.  New people that just joined know the full slang for a new game?  Come on....

 

Everyone see it for what it is.  A company using whatever means they can find (FREE) to help this game.  They've raised the real sub price.  They've tried to trick people into playing FTP and then complain they are baggage.  They are begging for people to pay $30 to keep the game running and have some hope to update it again in a year or so.  They cannot afford to hire anymore staff and have had to recycle another batch of volunteers to run the forums and day to day gaming world (FREE).  Now they contact their "High Command Staff" to come over here and pump glitter and rose scent into everyone.

 

Just stop crs.  In everyones eyes besides those that are addicts or employees (free or paid) you look like idiots and failures.  The more you claw, the more you highlight it.

 

You should have treated people better.  You should have just run your company without thinking you didn't have to answer to anyone because you are an internet gaming brand and rules don't apply to you as far as customer service and care.  Even at this bleak and ugly hour when you need everyone you can muster to come pay for your world.....your head pr guy is caught posting horrible nasty things about those free players.

 

You see, that is because that is whom they allow to run their company.  Those are the same people that turned me into an enemy of this game and its bugs, bias, and overpricing.  Yep, I need to move on....but thank that pr guy for making me what I am today. 

  Silky303

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Joined: 10/30/10
Posts: 137

1/16/13 8:39:43 AM#166
If you strip away all the bias, the personal hurt and grandstanding points scoring, you have a struggling game still much loved and enjoyed by its players and community

Yeah it has issues but hey, it's still the most gripping game out there, even if it doesn't quite realise its full potential

SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL

  pittpete

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Joined: 6/04/10
Posts: 243

1/16/13 9:02:05 AM#167

"You see, that is because that is whom they allow to run their company.  Those are the same people that turned me into an enemy of this game and its bugs, bias, and overpricing.  Yep, I need to move on....but thank that pr guy for making me what I am today. "

And for anyone keeping up with these posts, there it is in a nutshell.

Most players don't hate the game, but rather have an agenda against an employe/employees.

This is like going to eat at a restaurant, then telling everyone that the food, owners and people who eat there all suck because the waiter was rude to you.

 

  argel

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Joined: 6/08/05
Posts: 34

1/16/13 9:05:02 AM#168

Seriously axishatr, get help :D It's worrying to see someone saying 'they made me an enemy of the game... they made me what I am today...' in such a weird way. This is why nobody takes you seriously and your comments are seen for what they are: biased lunacy.

 

Fwiw I'm not even subbed and I still defend the game. I don't feel that they owe me anything and I don't owe them, it's just a game I enjoy and when you see that, you don't like people characterising it as unenjoyable or gloating over it's downward trajectory.

 

Grow up son.

  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  1/16/13 9:12:48 AM#169

No its like paying top dollar for what was advertised as the best meal in town and having to pay for it in advance, sometimes for the whole year, and then when they serve you its cold crap from 1990s fast food menus.  When you complain they attack you and then throw you from the resturant and tell you it WAS good food because other hungry people are eating it. 

 

No wait, if that was a resturant, they'd be out of business by now.  You see, even the regulars would die from the food poisoning.

  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  1/16/13 9:13:43 AM#170
Originally posted by argel

Seriously axishatr, get help :D It's worrying to see someone saying 'they made me an enemy of the game... they made me what I am today...' in such a weird way. This is why nobody takes you seriously and your comments are seen for what they are: biased lunacy.

 

Fwiw I'm not even subbed and I still defend the game. I don't feel that they owe me anything and I don't owe them, it's just a game I enjoy and when you see that, you don't like people characterising it as unenjoyable or gloating over it's downward trajectory.

 

Grow up son.

You enjoy the game but are not subbed?

 

I understand...

  axishatr

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Joined: 11/03/08
Posts: 189

 
OP  1/16/13 9:39:29 AM#171

Okay,  I understand the hate drum I've been beating on is growing to loud and the repetitive beat is starting to make people sick just like "Ganster in Paridise" did back in the 90's for me....

 

I am in the process of writing a background of my time with the game, the actual love I have for it, and how it was probably the biggest draws to gaming via a PC I've ever had.  Yes, this game was the fishizzle for me for 10 years.  I wasn't a day 1 player, but I was a day 2 player.

 

Stay tuned for a more controlled retrospect of this game, the direction, and why I am where I am now. 

 

I know they are trying....for that I do salute them. (most of them)

  argel

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Joined: 6/08/05
Posts: 34

1/16/13 10:50:17 AM#172

Yeah I'm unsubbed because I'm a historian who is studying for a PHD, don't have time really to commit to a game that is at it's best when you're playing without time constraints.

 

The last post is encouraging, don't become a parody, show us more of who you are and what you loved about the game and maybe people will understand you a little better.

  Stug

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 399

1/17/13 1:38:31 PM#173
Argel - what history?
  Krieger1104

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Joined: 1/17/13
Posts: 1

1/17/13 9:47:12 PM#174

This march I will have been here for offically one year.

Today I heard that dcoy was unsubbing....so is spear.....so !@#$

Sooooooooo........who wants to egg XOOMXOOM's house now?

  Abyssuss

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Joined: 7/26/12
Posts: 85

1/18/13 9:26:52 AM#175
82 second Spawn delay for Axis even though we were "low pop", games broken in so many ways
  david06

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Joined: 10/02/12
Posts: 183

1/18/13 10:29:22 AM#176


Originally posted by Abyssuss82 second Spawn delay for Axis even though we were "low pop", games broken in so many ways

Low pop as in the axis side was underpopulated, or low pop as in low total server population? Since spawn delay is determined by a ratio and there doesn't appear to be any reliance on total server numbers, high spawn delay during low server population has been a frequent problem for years.


A year or two ago I made a thread in the official forums about having 80 seconds or so of spawn delay during low pop, it should still be there if you search. Basically I was told that SD was necessary and that it saved the game, made it fair for the underpop side, etc. It's not going to change. CRS is stubborn and to be blunt there are some players who actually want the server to slow down, for town captures to cease during other time zones.


About the recent spawn delay problems...normally I would think that the lead producer of a game would be able to make a minor tweak without breaking the feature entirely, and that he would never change a game mechanic in order to force a loss for one of the teams. Unfortunately there are no such guarantees with DOC.

  Abyssuss

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1/18/13 10:49:05 AM#177
Originally posted by david06

 


Originally posted by Abyssuss82 second Spawn delay for Axis even though we were "low pop", games broken in so many ways

 

Low pop as in the axis side was underpopulated, or low pop as in low total server population? Since spawn delay is determined by a ratio and there doesn't appear to be any reliance on total server numbers, high spawn delay during low server population has been a frequent problem for years.


A year or two ago I made a thread in the official forums about having 80 seconds or so of spawn delay during low pop, it should still be there if you search. Basically I was told that SD was necessary and that it saved the game, made it fair for the underpop side, etc. It's not going to change. CRS is stubborn and to be blunt there are some players who actually want the server to slow down, for town captures to cease during other time zones.


About the recent spawn delay problems...normally I would think that the lead producer of a game would be able to make a minor tweak without breaking the feature entirely, and that he would never change a game mechanic in order to force a loss for one of the teams. Unfortunately there are no such guarantees with DOC.

Ok thanks for the infomation. I just find it odd soon as well lost a city the SD went from 92 sec to 30 in a short period of time. Its quite sad as the population on the server is low but the sd is so high,anyway, thanks for clarification

  Hodo

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Posts: 559

1/18/13 12:53:34 PM#178
Originally posted by argel

It's interesting that in the eyes of axishatr, depot, rendus, rigamortis, Hodo etc a person can't actually come and defend the game for what it is without being seen as shilling for CRS. Instead of having a normal discussion, they get real personal about the devs and the motives of those of us who defend the game.

As I think wrath alluded to, Hodo seems really hurt that his suggestions weren't taken on, and lets face it, a dude who calls another guy 'new' because he played a game for 11 years over the other guy's 9 years is clearly the type of guy with a sense of entitlement when it comes to gaming. The issues are off the scale there.

The other people like axishatr, depot, rendus etc just seem desperate for the game to die, which is sad. What could honestly be so bad about it surviving and - try to absorb this - you not playing it? Seriously, get a grip, get a life and move on.

 

As I said I dont hate WWIIOL, or CRS just DOC. 

 

I am not upset that my suggestions "werent taken on" as you put it.   My suggestions were taken on, they perma-banned me and adjusted the TO&E tables for Teir 0 and 1 to the tables that were suggested on the suggestion forums, and emailed to them in mass, signed by majority of the Axis squad COs.   

 

You can talk about all the good that is in a game, but make sure you also point out the bad.  

 

Like I love Starquest online, and I think its the greatest game since Ultima Online, but I will say that it is handicapped by a complete lack of development and the bugs in the game are sometimes comically bad.  

So much crap, so little quality.

  pittpete

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Joined: 6/04/10
Posts: 243

1/18/13 1:10:53 PM#179

I hate SD with a passion.

What is the fix though?

Is their an easy fix to implement?

CRS stated it's a necessary evil to combat the low-pop land grabs.

They need to get a coder in ASAP and do something.

Perhaps a 30 SD cap mixed with a higher cap timer for the over-pop side.

There has to be a happy medium...

See guys Im not such a starstruck Fanboi like some have lableled me.

I have a breaking point and if CRS doesnt hire some people and start fixing stuff soon I might just blow....

More subs though should speed the new content process up so for now I try to keep a level head.

S!

  depot12

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1/18/13 1:17:44 PM#180
Originally posted by pittpete

See guys Im not such a starstruck Fanboi like some have lableled me.

I have a breaking point and if CRS doesnt hire some people and start fixing stuff soon I might just blow....

More subs though should speed the new content process up so for now I try to keep a level head.

I was like you, expecting to be there till they turn the lights out.  We all have a breaking point. I reached mine, you will reach yours.  Over 20 months with no bug fixes.  Even if they got a developer TODAY that person will need several months to learn the codebase before they can do anything meaningful.   They barely hit 30% of thier 1st HERO Subscriber goal started back in Dec.  And they said publically they dotn do anything until they hit 3 or 4th Subscriber goal.   Stick a fork in them.  Im just telling you the brutal reality of the situation as I see it.   They are lucky to have the lights on at this point.   At this point you are just paying for DOC and xoom to abuse the playerbase until theres nobody left.

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