Originally posted by Deddpool
Indeed, I actually prefer the underwater sections of GW2 to the land based stuff, especially since I can haz a shark!

With friggin laser beams on their heads. *grin*

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Guild Wars 2 has amazing underwater areas, can spend literally hours in some of the underwater spaces/zones, its pretty new also.

Basically some people do not like having to survive in a full 3d environment, so to alot of the players its too challenging. Course there are some bugs with the underwater areas, like invulnerable mobs.

GW2 swimming combat isn't new. It's actually the same combat as in WoW and Rift. It's just that the game has limited action bar which switches when underwater, which gives the illusion of it being different, but in reality it isn't. It's the same. 3D combat.

I like how my combat skills worked better in Rift, but the underwater experience in GW2 feels better.  I just don't like how my underwater skills are so limited and don't mirror my surface build.  If they can rework underwater combat and improve that experience then it will be my favorite up to this point.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

 

I like how my combat skills worked better in Rift, but the underwater experience in GW2 feels better.  I just don't like how my underwater skills are so limited and don't mirror my surface build.  If they can rework underwater combat and improve that experience then it will be my favorite up to this point.

i think having more skills would be fine to raise the limit you are refering to, but mirroring the surface build would actually kill the sense of being underwater in combat. As it is now it tries to simulate the mechanics a real person would attempt if trying to fight underwater with the weapons provided (of course im not talking about the skills lol, but the movements). ALso having underwater weapons feels actually more fun and even realistic. I cant see how a ranger build would work underwater with a bow when they are trying to simulate realistic mechanics underwater with a harpoon. Just my opinion.

It isn't needed.

It isn't realistic in any way. It is a pain to fight under water.  It is a pain to program.  There are other areas of development which could benefit from the time and resources it would take to implement a proper under water mechanic.

Just my 2c

Originally posted by MyBoot

So I was wondering the other day more and more new MMO's don't add swimming into there games, since WoW I have seen very few with it anymore.

 

So I was wondering ( Why ? ) is it the game engine ? the cost and time to put it in game ? or do Devs just think it's pointless nowdays ? 

Originally posted by rojo6934

Originally posted by Torvaldr

 

I like how my combat skills worked better in Rift, but the underwater experience in GW2 feels better.  I just don't like how my underwater skills are so limited and don't mirror my surface build.  If they can rework underwater combat and improve that experience then it will be my favorite up to this point.

i think having more skills would be fine to raise the limit you are refering to, but mirroring the surface build would actually kill the sense of being underwater in combat. As it is now it tries to simulate the mechanics a real person would attempt if trying to fight underwater with the weapons provided (of course im not talking about the skills lol, but the movements). ALso having underwater weapons feels actually more fun and even realistic. I cant see how a ranger build would work underwater with a bow when they are trying to simulate realistic mechanics underwater with a harpoon. Just my opinion.

I don't really mean the weapons and exact skills, but the role of the build.  Are you choosing dps, support, control, etc.  It would be nice to have a better selection of skills to taylor your build the way you do on the surface.  If I'm running support with my hunting buddy, then I want to run that underwater too.  That's more what I'm talking about.  You are right about the bow, and that was the silly part of rift that made the underwater combat seem dorky.  I just liked that I could still tank, dps, etc.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by MyBoot

So I was wondering the other day more and more new MMO's don't add swimming into there games, since WoW I have seen very few with it anymore.

 

So I was wondering ( Why ? ) is it the game engine ? the cost and time to put it in game ? or do Devs just think it's pointless nowdays ? 

 

Play Guild Wars 2.

I did and got bored of it but thats beside the point, I never said it's not out there just that it's becoming less of a staple for MMO's these days. 

GW2's underwater areas were pretty awesome, but I agree with the above poster. The mob density (because launch was pretty recent when I played) was baffling. They would die, and respawn a few minutes later. A lot less exploration, a lot more combat. I'd prefer it the other way around. 

All that being said, give me a damn ship. I wish more games had naval combat. Controlling a ship is fun, and it doesn't have to be realistic, as Assassin's Creed III showed.

ROFL the comments from people amaze me everyday on this forum.   

/jumps off bridge...

swimming isnt dead. swtor sucks and has a crappy engine and everything but story was cut back to the bare minimum at release ... the slew of other crappy f2p mmos don't count.

swimming combat doesn't even have to exist really, but imo mmos should have swimming. If I want to cross a river I should be able to swim across it. I actually like gw2's approach best sofar if I had a choice. A more limited skillset in wow would make sense. I mean ... fireballs ... underwater???

Originally posted by endgame1
While I hate underwater combat as much as the next guy, I do like swimming as far as exploration goes, (finding underwater caves, dungeons, etc.).

+1. Actually, it's pretty sad to read the "mostly combat game" and "underwater combat" like comments... but I guess nowadays the rpg part is fading and all's left is mmo with a heavy focus on combat.

As azmundai wrote, "swimming combat doesn't even have to exist really, but imo mmos should have swimming." I love AoC's swimming, with quests and exploration involved.