All bioware needed to do was not list the gay interactions as a feature. Would have saved a lot of trouble. They could still have included it and it would have been an interesting surprise like is was in Dragon Age when Zevran comes onto a male character.

Listing it as a featue though.. like it's something special? Too thought provoking. It was bound to draw attention.. maybe that's what they wanted anyway?

You don't see adverts for any of their other games showing they have possible same sex interactions in the game even though they do.

Originally posted by TrunksZ

Leaving WoW aside, Neither my brother and I have experience any of those bugs, the most annoying bug I have experienced so far is the casual stuck between a rock and that Kira's lightsaber doesn't goes off when she puts it away, I am going to assume you have a gaming rig, but I can tell you that I don't experience any lag if more than 10 people in my screen, I think you are just simply bored of the game and I understand that, game gets old, but every game does.

I too, used to act like this. One too many failures will change someone. I'm sure your threshold will eventually be reached. I do have a gaming rig, and I call shenanigans on anyone who has not had issues with this game since day 1. I have yet to meet someone in game, or IRL (several of my friends played/play still) that didn't have problems with the way the game ran. Why can I run Rift on max settings (sans shadows) with no problems in a zone event with 50 people around? Meanwhile, SWTOR is a slideshow if there were that many people on screen. I mean, the game doesn't even look that great on max settings yet I have to run it on low-medium just to get it playable in a lot of areas.

You are right about one thing however, I am bored of the game, but with a lot of other games (see my sig, I still play EQ1) they actually release content and keep me interested. There is not even hardly an effort here.

Originally posted by Kaynos1972
What does sexual orientation has to do with a game anyway ?  Can you keep that kind of stuff outside of gaming.

If the game has romance options (Bioware RPGs are well known for it), i dont see why there cant be different sexual orientations for different characters (like mass effect, which is also Bioware). Some people will like it, some people wont like it, some people just wont care, but the option is there which is fine. What they should keep out of the game is any content that resemble a fantasy mmo, or even sci-fi outside of star wars universe (starting with the level 1 fantasy axe lol).

1. As a whole society shouldn't be using video games as an outlet for their romantic life. If its to tell a story fine, but its pretty sad when its simply "for the sake of being able to". As someone above stated, it should NOT be a feature, if its just part of the game then fine but it shouldn't be a selling point.

2. I see no issue with there being a limited number of SGR because in fact (for our population as whole) there are a limited number of those relationships. I have no problem with SGR or that they are in games but I don't see why people have to scream and complain that something a minorty of people want is not in the majority of the game.

Originally posted by SBFord

@BigSmiff:

While I totally see what you're saying, BioWare has a long history with being progressive advocates of SGRs from the days of Dragon Age and Mass Effect even though these are not the same folks who created those games. If you ask me, they are remaining true to their corporate ideal in this case.

I can agree with that.

What is your opinion about the way they implemented SGRAs into the expansion? People are upset that this took priority over more important issues. The fact that the 8-10 LGBT subscribers started a letter writing campaign from EAs' own website to GLAAD, who strongarmed EA into putting this in? This is the second time this has happened and people have noticed.

Is it fair to these people that have no activist group to fight for what they want added into the game? Maybe this is where the frustration lies.

It seems to be a concern that a company would be so easily willing to bend when a small minority makes noise. Where does it end? How many features will be pushed back because EA have to meet the demands of a small few? What does this mean for the game and community?

Sorry for all the questions. :D

Originally posted by Crusix221

1. As a whole society shouldn't be using video games as an outlet for their romantic life. If its to tell a story fine, but its pretty sad when its simply "for the sake of being able to". As someone above stated, it should NOT be a feature, if its just part of the game then fine but it shouldn't be a selling point.

2. I see no issue with there being a limited number of SGR because in fact (for our population as whole) there are a limited number of those relationships. I have no problem with SGR or that they are in games but I don't see why people have to scream and complain that something a minorty of people want is not in the majority of the game.

welcome to the interwebz,,,where people come to whine, bitch and moan about EVERYTHING

Myself personally I will fight fierecly for everyone to be entitled to love and be intimate with anyone they want to love be it man with woman, woman with woman, man on man, a combination of those elements, heck as long as its vocally consenting, sheep. But, this is a game which sadly the character, your avatar doesn't really have a personal experience to it. I don't really feel like the character is 'mine' so to speak as I am following a story arch.

To me its like playing a single player to which the character gets the woman, Think Capcoms Onimusha 2 when you have the ability to get the girl in the end. It was kinda relevant to your characters story and his sexuality. In SWTOR, the same kinda applies, the fact the romances were designed as such indicates to me they meant for the main character to be straight and this same sex romance is an after-thought, to be added in to pander to the forum-bashing arm chair keyboard bandits.

Let's face it, this is not about equality, something that should be a given right without the need for thought, or after thought etc. The fact this is being added in, later tells me its about placated gay individuals who are outraged their character can't romance other men. I feel for them, I really do, for there aren't many games out there that have a 'gay' central lead.

But the forcing of the issue isnt equality, its about special treatment. In honest, I think Bioware messed up big time. This isn't a mature game, so deep philosophical issues such as sexuality aren't going to be well receieved when fundermentalists within faith and right wing politics start placing ads and news interviews 'BIOWARE WANTS YOUR CHILDREN TO BE GAY!' and the other bat-shit crazy stuff they sprout.

Heck! I remember the outrage they went on about when Mass Effect came out and the romance with Liara showed the cleft of her butt. Which is no more nudity, in fact, it is equal measure to the amount of nudity from Julia Roberts in Nottinghill.

So I think Bioware messed up because they were concerned about the title not being an 'M' rating, where such issues can be discussed maturely and was worried that the religious and political backlash would impact their game. The trouble they are having now, about implementing these same sex romances into the game is evidence that they have never intended for them to be there in the first instance.

So, I would say Bioware need to either stick to their artistic vision of the game, and some people on the forums need to grow up a bit and perhaps look for their ideal same sex partner outside of SWTOR.

Or Bioware needs to add same-sex to the game for all to benefit from at the outset, and not in DLC based content, which is what is taking place right now.

Myself personally, I tend to play all sexes and pursue all romances, man and woman. I am a straight man, but I like good dialog and character interaction. Although, MMO's tend to make me tink twice as soon as I pick a female character I tend to be whispered a lot asking to 'cyber' and things although not come across this issue too much in SWTOR.

I should remark, that I don't feel at all strongly about this, same sex relationships in the game wont affect me at all. To be honest, nor do the straight romances affect me. This is like what I said above, I am playing a character with a story pre-established. I am not really interacting the with the world with my own set of ideals and morales. The dialog options all lead to the same place at the end of the day. There is no development beyond that, its just like an interactive movie and your leveling progressing pretty much just tells you how long through the video you are.

Originally posted by Kaynos1972
What does sexual orientation has to do with a game anyway ?  Can you keep that kind of stuff outside of gaming.

 Since you can romance your NPCs in SWTOR, it's already IN gaming. The entitled majority never see the problem because it's no problem for them.

To me it really is not about sga stuff,  really it should not be in game at all. 

The real problem was they went about hearing s small vocal minority and wasted time putting this into game when they got so many other big things that need to be fixed.  

In other words the sga stuff was a waste of resources. 

My problem isn't with Bioware, it's with many of it's players who are saying being gay friendly makes the game non-family oriented. Since when did the gender that someone loves make a game "unfriendly" for families. I guess there are still a lot of bigots out there that don't know how to teach their children that all love, no matter what kind it is, is still love.

Also since when was same gender marriage for the real word only? You really think that in the world of Star Wars, which is set thousands and thousands of years in the future... You really think that they haven't evolved by then to allow same sex gender options, such as marriage? If this is how people think they are in for a rude awakening as more states approve same sex gender marriage in the real world.

Not only that but those who are saying it's a waste of resources really tick me off. I'd like to see them scrap anything romantic involving straight sex options and then see if players think that those are a "waste of resources." I mean really, the gall of some of the statements I see just make me really sad for people in this world.

Lets just face the fact that now SWTOR, is just a money grab for EA. put asside the SGR. you have players that want to play for "free". they have to spend money for GUI parts...not cool.

A free player has to spend money to use higher grade items...not cool

A free player has to spend money to have more than one crafting skill...not cool

If EA had done what  the TSW had done and made it b2p, I think that it would have done much better overall on its bottom line. I love the game turly i do, i even went as far at to get the boxed CE with the statue. to find out later that the VIP pass...anyone can buy it now and the speeder that we got with the box, now comes with the digital delux edition. the way the EA decided to do their whole f2p was badly made. Also whe it come to "BioWare" I am voteing with my wallet and not bothering to pay for anything from them again. After ME3 they have lost any confidence in them.

Originally posted by Razeekster

My problem isn't with Bioware, it's with many of it's players who are saying being gay friendly makes the game non-family oriented. Since when did the gender that someone loves make a game "unfriendly" for families. I guess there are still a lot of bigots out there that don't know how to teach their children that all love, no matter what kind it is, is still love.

 

 

 

It's simple really...Not everyone believes that "all love" is OK. I would never teach my child that a same sex relationship is OK since it isn't natural. I am sure I will be scolded for posting this, but I know that this was directed toward my comments. And if free speech is welcome here, I am sure I am doing the right thing by defending my beliefs just like everyone on here that is pro same sex.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Razeekster

My problem isn't with Bioware, it's with many of it's players who are saying being gay friendly makes the game non-family oriented. Since when did the gender that someone loves make a game "unfriendly" for families. I guess there are still a lot of bigots out there that don't know how to teach their children that all love, no matter what kind it is, is still love.

 

 

 

It's simple really...Not everyone believes that "all love" is OK. I would never teach my child that a same sex relationship is OK since it isn't natural. I am sure I will be scolded for posting this, but I know that this was directed toward my comments. And if free speech is welcomed here, I am sure I am doing the right thing by defending my beliefs just like everyone on here that is pro same sex.

I may not agree with you but I totally support your right to express your beliefs. The important thing is you were respectful about it.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Razeekster

My problem isn't with Bioware, it's with many of it's players who are saying being gay friendly makes the game non-family oriented. Since when did the gender that someone loves make a game "unfriendly" for families. I guess there are still a lot of bigots out there that don't know how to teach their children that all love, no matter what kind it is, is still love.

 

 

 

It's simple really...Not everyone believes that "all love" is OK. I would never teach my child that a same sex relationship is OK since it isn't natural. I am sure I will be scolded for posting this, but I know that this was directed toward my comments. And if free speech is welcomed here, I am sure I am doing the right thing by defending my beliefs just like everyone on here that is pro same sex.

It occurs in nature in other species, it's natural. A dolphin in the wild can't do anything unnatural, by definition everything it does is what a natural dolphin would do.

Beyond that, not everyone believed that mixing black and whites was "ok", but I'd challenge you to find more than a minority who hold that same view today.

You're free to defend your beliefs, and the rest of the internet is free to call you a small minded bigot (because you are).