Originally posted by Yamota
Looks like it is going to fail. Shame, as the game sounded promising.

They need $100k by 9PM Eastern.  Seems doubtful but not impossible.   The good thing is that if it doesn't fund nobody is charged anything so there is no harm in pledging.

A fantasy sandbox made by experienced developers... what an opportunity.

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Yamota
Looks like it is going to fail. Shame, as the game sounded promising.

They need $100k by 9PM Eastern.  Seems doubtful but not impossible.   The good thing is that if it doesn't fund nobody is charged anything so there is no harm in pledging.

 

A fantasy sandbox made by experienced developers... what an opportunity.

Just broke 900k and the pace is good!

I think they will make it - 9 hours to go and 95k

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo

Originally posted by muffins89
doesn't look good right now.  over 100k to go....12 hours left.  this game looks like junk anyhow.  grats on getting almost 900k. 

 muffins 89

   "  the hobbit is a terrible book.  the plot changes to the movie were warranted."

Im glad u think this game looks like junk, im looking foward this game more than never.

Well, I raised my pledge. But this still looks like a close call.

 If the funding should not be successful my pledge will be spend elsewhere (something non-game/non-mmo). 

Originally posted by tom_gore

I pledged the lowest tier to get the game itself. Not really a fan of multiple kickstarters for the same project and the release date of 2016 is quite far ahead, but as I see there are zero MMO games of real interest (to me) coming out this year, I thought what the heck.

EVE will have to keep me occupied until ArcheAge comes west, sometime in the 2014 I would suppose.

 

I had a lot of issues with this kickstarter.  The biggest being that they already had one.  With that type of ethics, what is to keep them from having another one, maybe 2 more..

The second part is that they already basically said they can make the game... then why use kickstarter?  To me, it is somewhat abusive to the idea of kickstarter, which is supposed to be about dreams..  this is more like ´yeah, we think it would just be cool to have an extra million to spend´..

My final problem is the way the early access people are going to dominate the game.   Because of the EVE type skill system.. newer players can never catch up.  Yes, it may be a flat system, but still you are always behind.  But my real problem is the early access people will not only be developing the first factions and controlling the map before new players can even join, but they also will be helping CREATE the rules of the game.  So not only are new players going to be forever behind with their skills, but they are going to join a game with entrenched player-run factions who helped shape the rules for player-run factions...

In other words, get in early, or forever be a sheep/peon to those who do.

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

Originally posted by Muppetier

Originally posted by muffins89
doesn't look good right now.  over 100k to go....12 hours left.  this game looks like junk anyhow.  grats on getting almost 900k. 

 

but would you be overly surprised if 100K didnt mysteriously show up in the last few hours?

Most kickstarters that are close get a huge surge the last few days.  Right now they are 75k short with 8 hours to go.  I have no doubt they will get it.  My guess is they will hit 1.1M even (based on how kickstarters usually go.)

Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

Originally posted by muffins89
doesn't look good right now.  over 100k to go....12 hours left.  this game looks like junk anyhow.  grats on getting almost 900k. 

 muffins 89

   "  the hobbit is a terrible book.  the plot changes to the movie were warranted."

 

 

 

Im glad u think this game looks like junk, im looking foward this game more than never.

 Hehe This ^^

Muffins has his opinion such as the Hobbit being a terrible book I have mine. Muffins can go play SW:Tor or terra I've backed this back hoping for something more then just pretty graphics and big developer hype.

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Right.... exactly what I said.  What was misinformed?

Originally posted by augustgrace

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Right.... exactly what I said.  What was misinformed?

1) So 1st ks: tech demo -> investors.

2) Raised something like 5m$-10m$ in terms of burning cash over 4yrs at a sustainable rate (Much lower than 50m$ for AAA themepark mmorpg).

3) Raise 1m$ in 2nd ks: increase headcount from 11-20 = shorter dev time x1 year, as more staff for lean launch mid-2014. As it's shorter, start positive cash flow sooner.

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That explains it. No more ks'ers after this one. But lots of CROWDFORGING

Originally posted by augustgrace

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Right.... exactly what I said.  What was misinformed?

What I see happending

-  Another kickstarter to get Beta/open-access started

- Another kickstarter for promo and marketing when the game goes live.

All the while adding so many perks and advantages to the game that the only people who play it are the ones who get in before launch.    People do not want to be sheep.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by augustgrace

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Right.... exactly what I said.  What was misinformed?

What I see happending

-  Another kickstarter to get Beta/open-access started

- Another kickstarter for promo and marketing when the game goes live.

All the while adding so many perks and advantages to the game that the only people who play it are the ones who get in before launch.    People do not want to be sheep.

  Humm as you seem to have no intention to kickstart the game and are activily in your sig trying to get more people to play WoW might I ask why you are posting here? if its simply because you don't want to see Pathfinder to get funded for fear it will take players from wow might I ask you simply to stop? Both can exist fine as they cater to different playstyles.

  You complain that those that back the game will have a head start, and say in developement over those like you that don't or have no intention of ever playing, well Duh. Why should they listen to those that have no intention of playing the game? People do have a choice. get in now which is admittedly a risk and have more say in how the game is created and head start when game comes out (GW2 Darkfall and almost every MMO I can think of has given preorders a headstart which has given those players at least a slight advantage) or obviously play it safe and continue to play what the big name developers are putting out and wait and see. thats life and your choice nothing particularly unfair about it.

5 hours left, down to 25k needed.   it'll probably make it.

edit:  lol in the last 10 minutes it's made up 5k more.  seems to be promising!

Originally posted by myrmx
2015 ... Jeez ... That's like meeting a women and the first thing she says is i want 2 kids before i'm 30.

It's 2014 for Crowdforgers...

We need some STRETCH GOALS NOW!!!

Holy crap.  It was at $990,000 and since I have nothing else to do I was watching it tick up while watching Pawn Stars and BOOM, $1,000,000. 

Here we go!  Congrats Pathfinder Online!

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by augustgrace

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by augustgrace

According to the latest video on their ks page, this 1 million would allow them to potentially release earlier, perhaps 2015 rather than 2016.  So thats a minimum wait of a year for beta if your one of the bigger donors, and 2-3 wait until release.  

If this early on they already need 2 ks to keep things running, I have some serious doubts about their promises.  Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but way too early to be putting out cash.

 you are misinformed.

 they had a kickstatrer to produce a demo which they did. they are now having a kickstarter to fund getting the game produced quicker these are at least in my opinion 2 different things. granted i didn't kickstart the demo so i don't feel bad about kickstartering the game to get it out by 2015. (as compared to 2016 or later otherwise)

Right.... exactly what I said.  What was misinformed?

What I see happending

-  Another kickstarter to get Beta/open-access started

- Another kickstarter for promo and marketing when the game goes live.

All the while adding so many perks and advantages to the game that the only people who play it are the ones who get in before launch.    People do not want to be sheep.

  Humm as you seem to have no intention to kickstart the game and are activily in your sig trying to get more people to play WoW might I ask why you are posting here? if its simply because you don't want to see Pathfinder to get funded for fear it will take players from wow might I ask you simply to stop? Both can exist fine as they cater to different playstyles.

  You complain that those that back the game will have a head start, and say in developement over those like you that don't or have no intention of ever playing, well Duh. Why should they listen to those that have no intention of playing the game? People do have a choice. get in now which is admittedly a risk and have more say in how the game is created and head start when game comes out (GW2 Darkfall and almost every MMO I can think of has given preorders a headstart which has given those players at least a slight advantage) or obviously play it safe and continue to play what the big name developers are putting out and wait and see. thats life and your choice nothing particularly unfair about it.

WOW has nothing to do with it.  WOW is a themepark.    Because I run a new player guild in WOW, it suddenly dismisses the fact that I played UO for 6 years and ran a new player guild there?

I think you are confusing a ´head start´  with what PFO is doing.  A headstart is 3 days of leveling.. so at best you are going to level cap 3 days before others.   What PFO is proposing is months and months of a headstart in a game designed around player-factions and land control.  What PFO is proposing is that those months are used to flesh-out the rules in cooporation with the players involved in the head-start.  In a game designed around player-factions, those player-factions are going to be completely defined during the head-start.  Any player that comes in after the headstart is going to a peon to the pre-existing factions... 

I think the devs are trying to copy EVE, but are thinking some of the worst things about EVE are what kept it hanging on all these years.  EVE would have been much more successful if the corporation system was more fluid.  But instead, you have the large corporation leaders having direct communications with the devs and helping to set the rules to favor... large corps.

Two questions about Eve

1.  Go to the forums and say you are a new player and see what the first response you get is?  Join one of the large corps

2. Count how many signficant corps have been formed in the last 4 years.  All of the major players ( ie, the only ones involved with any type of political system)  are all from the very beginning.

Eve has a different map system, but the same thing is going to happen to PFO..  the entire ´political´ part of the game is going to be dominated by people who did the KS.  The entire map is going to be already carved up.  New players will be sheep.  And the old players, the ones who are rewarded for their KS loyalty, will be the ones making the rules to keep ti that way.  Do you really see any of the early players creating rules to limit the power of factions?  Do you think there will be any rules made that allow new factions to prosper?  No way, they are going to solidify their factions during the head-start, then they are going basically force new player to join one of the existing factions like what happens in EVE.

Yes, PFO will have a political system, and a land system... but anyone not involved with the head-start will never be involved with it.