nor nerfing the thief's ability to make entire armies perma-invisible...

I had an idea to help save this game and bring people back....

make it so a thief cannot be invisible to another thief, thus as long as there is a thief amongst you, they can tell WvWvW groups if they see another thief coming, walking weirdly and casting stealth every 2 seconds.

or they can go kill them.

Something like this can lead to an end to the ridiculous culling issue without having to change the game dynamics, or at least buy time so the devs can do something later.

Just a thought.

I love playing the theif in PvE. It's a fun, high paced class to play.  I have yet to play an mmo where I haven't felt the "assassin/rogue/theif" class causes problems. 

I think your suggestion does make some pretty big changes for game/combat mechanics. Not sure what all would result from that.

Originally posted by eyelolled

I love playing the theif in PvE. It's a fun, high paced class to play.  I have yet to play an mmo where I haven't felt the "assassin/rogue/theif" class causes problems. 

I think your suggestion does make some pretty big changes for game/combat mechanics. Not sure what all would result from that.

It wouldn't be a nerf to the class though, not affecting pve in any way.

The effect to pvp shouldn't be a hit in regards to how the game is supposed to be played. I don't honestly think the culling issue was intended to be used as a tactic so widely implemented in WvWvW.

At least if thieves can all see each other, teams have a chance to disrupt the culling mechanic and have a fighting chance against it.

They replied to a post once about it a month ago, saying they werelooking at it, but had no answers. The post left the feel that the problem was something beyond their ability to fix, or they didn't want to spend the resources in doing so.

Does it mean they won't no...but it doesn't sound like it's going to be in the near future. How many months since release and still no official word nor game update saying they are close to a solution?

thus, thinking of other avenues.

Originally posted by Rider071

Originally posted by eyelolled

I love playing the thief in PvE. It's a fun, high paced class to play.  I have yet to play an mmo where I haven't felt the "assassin/rogue/theif" class causes problems. 

I think your suggestion does make some pretty big changes for game/combat mechanics. Not sure what all would result from that.

It wouldn't be a nerf to the class though, not affecting pve in any way.

The effect to pvp shouldn't be a hit in regards to how the game is supposed to be played. I don't honestly think the culling issue was intended to be used as a tactic so widely implemented in WvWvW.

At least if thieves can all see each other, teams have a chance to disrupt the culling mechanic and have a fighting chance against it.

no, I didn't mean it would change PvE, just that I get disappointed in the problems inherint with stealth classes even though I like them at the same time.

As for the change suggested, I honestly just don't know what to make of it. I would think it would devastate the thief in PvP, and make it the gimped class. It may be the lesser of two evils though.

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Rider071

Originally posted by eyelolled

I love playing the thief in PvE. It's a fun, high paced class to play.  I have yet to play an mmo where I haven't felt the "assassin/rogue/theif" class causes problems. 

I think your suggestion does make some pretty big changes for game/combat mechanics. Not sure what all would result from that.

It wouldn't be a nerf to the class though, not affecting pve in any way.

The effect to pvp shouldn't be a hit in regards to how the game is supposed to be played. I don't honestly think the culling issue was intended to be used as a tactic so widely implemented in WvWvW.

At least if thieves can all see each other, teams have a chance to disrupt the culling mechanic and have a fighting chance against it.

no, I didn't mean it would change PvE, just that I get disappointed in the problems inherint with stealth classes even though I like them at the same time.

 

As for the change suggested, I honestly just don't know what to make of it. I would think it would devastate the thief in PvP, and make it the gimped class. It may be the lesser of two evils though.

I hear ya, but from an RP stance, it would be a boon to the class (or any class given the ability, maybe ranger). Assassin-killer. Or scout, or more 'evil' people extorting their allies for exchange of information/guard duty, etc..

I don't see it as a gimp in any way, they will still retain the ability to empower an entire army to become invisible.

Better yet, they would be able to see anyone invisible too, thus being able to kill other non-thief classes under the invisible cloak. Like a caster or ranger that the rogue keeping everyone invisible can see doing it and cant do a damn thing about.

Many ways to play this out, but the main thing is to end culling.

I haven't really seen an MMO do stealth "right".

Thief - that was well done. You shouldn't be able to "stealth" right down the middle of a well-lit hallway and just be magically invisible. You should have to weave in and out of shadows. It should be difficult and it should require skill. There shouldn't really be any stealth at all when your facing a huge army of 100+ people out in the middle of the field (unless your just counting on being one in a sea of many people and hiding via anonymity, but that isn't "stealth" really)

Ok, well, unless your actually using some magic "invisibility" - but then that isn't rogue/thief stealth either. That's magic...

As far as the OP goes:
I think the culling issue strikes at the heart of the graphics engine. To overhaul the graphics engine is a big undertaking and can have a lot of unintended consequences. Not making excuses for them, since they did create their own engine in-house, and had a rather lengthy beta period to test it with. I think it's on their plate, I just don't expect anything to come from it anytime soon.

It does make Wv3 essentially pointless though. I've also really hated the small player limit on the maps, but there's no sense increasing those if you end up with culling issues with what you have already. I like the PvE game a lot, I was pretty hyped about the Wv3, but it's essentially worthless as it stands right now (and has been since release). Even if characters just got rendered as stick figures once too many came on screen at a time, it would be better than what we have now.

Actually haven't logged in since October, once I saw the majority of WvWvW armies use the culling tactic.

I do update the game and read the notes in hopes of a fix, but no, haven't heard a word about it, other than the one post that was a reply a month ago that was linked here while we were discussing it.

So, link pls.

Otherwise, the facts are:  culling still exists and they aren't fixing it anytime soon.

As far as paying attention, I have been paying great attention to it via these boards and not the GW2 boards as they are as invasive as you can get into privacy issues. A different topic for another day.

Culling is a tactic, and its your own fault if youre not using it/prepare for it. Take it or leave it for now. It has to be fixed.

As far as thief goes, make the limit to 5 characters (1 group).

Any "nerfs" to stealth have to be accompanied with buffs to defence/damage/skill sets. And for the one who mentioned shadows or such - its fantasy, not realistic representation of real world.

Dont chnage the thief, just use the thief to your advantage. Get to know some thiefs and put them on your team.

Really ! thiefs are not that ubber. If Anet starts to nerf even more then they can wave bye bye to people, not bring them back.

Originally posted by KroxMalon

Dont chnage the thief, just use the thief to your advantage. Get to know some thiefs and put them on your team.

Really ! thiefs are not that ubber. If Anet starts to nerf even more then they can wave bye bye to people, not bring them back.

this!

Originally posted by Rider071

They replied to a post once about it a month ago, saying they werelooking at it, but had no answers. The post left the feel that the problem was something beyond their ability to fix, or they didn't want to spend the resources in doing so.

Does it mean they won't no...but it doesn't sound like it's going to be in the near future. How many months since release and still no official word nor game update saying they are close to a solution?

thus, thinking of other avenues.

They also more recently said, they just might have cracked it. The latest gamebreaker.tv guild cast episode was talking about that.