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  Spartan3088

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OP  1/11/13 10:52:22 PM#1

Plz tell me what you think about my build. I dont know much about pc so any help is welcome. looking to play game like diablo 3, wow, call of duty and a few others. looking to stay around $700-$850. I am very open to change just about anything as long as we can keep the cost down.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/x8Tz

this build puts me in at $852.

 

Other video cards i thought about useing. keep in mind i trying to keep cost down i would love to get closer to $700.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202012&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102999&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

I like the case i picked in this build but wanted to know if its any good

 

 

  ChuChuTrick

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1/11/13 11:22:08 PM#2

Well...if you wanna get around $700...

Consider dropping the i5-3570K, and go for something like a i5-3350P. I doubt you'll need th later with the GPU your wanting to run, also the P doesnt have integrated graphics, so your saving some money there. Can save you 30-40 bucks there.

I'd seriously coonsider switching to a Nvidia GTX 660 instead of the 7850, its an all around better card and the price difference is marginal.

If your planning on overclocking at all, you should go for a Z77 or Z75 chipset motherboard, Asrock makes some good ones around 80 bucks.

You can save yourself some money on the RAM, you dont need 8 gigs for gaming, go 4 instead. Stick with the 1600 if your planning OCing ur CPU, and if not, go with a 1333 with a lower CAS latency (7 or 8)

 

You could easily run a GTX 660 and a i5-3350P off a 450w (no overclocking), if your gonna OC go for a 550+

 

Anyways that should help you shave 30-60 bucks off and you'll end up with a much more balanced gaming rig.

 

Oh an an easy way to save 100 bucks is just to reuse whatever Operating System your using now, expecially if its Windows 7...

  Quizzical

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1/11/13 11:29:48 PM#3

The case is fairly nice.  The problem is that $100 for a case doesn't fit your budget very well, and that's the most obvious thing to cut down if you want to save money.  So let's try this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1188518

Cheaper case that is decent enough, in a combo discount with a much higher quality power supply.  There's a 20% off promo code on the case, too, though you might not be able to get it together with the combo deal.  That would save you $69 before rebate of $59 after, even if you can't use the promo code, too.

A cheaper optical drive is an easy way to save money, too, even if it's only a difference of $4:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136259

If you want to bring the budget down further than that, then the way to do it is to go AMD on the processor.  AMD's FX-series processors ship with a decent enough cooler, so you could skip the aftermarket cooler.  AMD charges less for their chipsets than Intel, so you could get a decent budget motherboard rather than one meant for a low-power office computer.  Note that in your build, you're paying extra for an overclockable processor, and then pairing it with a motherboard that will completely disable overclocking.

The FX-6300 is the AMD CPU of choice for a budget gaming desktop:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1173456

That's in a combo deal with memory, and with the combo discount, the memory would be cheaper than what you picked.  Better specs, too, as it's 1866 MHz.  You don't really need 1866 MHz memory, but if it's cheaper than 1600 MHz, why not?

Don't be scared of the Intel logo on the memory for an AMD processor.  That's a marketing thing, and it's probably Patriot paying Intel to let them use their logo on Patriot memory.  Patriot also makes memory with an AMD logo on it.  But DDR3 is an industry standard, so it will all work with whatever.

And then if you get an AMD processor, you'll need an AMD motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157280

That brings it down to $252 for CPU+motherboard+memory, as compared to about $340 in your build.  So that will bring the budget down to right around $700 after rebates.

An FX-6300 is about as fast as a Core i5-3570K in well-coded games that scale properly to at least six cores, too.  But in badly-coded games that can't make good use of more than four cores, it only offers around 70% of the performance of the Core i5-3570K.  So, do you like to play badly-coded games?  :D

  Quizzical

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1/11/13 11:42:08 PM#4
Originally posted by ChuChuTrick

Well...if you wanna get around $700...

Consider dropping the i5-3570K, and go for something like a i5-3350P. I doubt you'll need th later with the GPU your wanting to run, also the P doesnt have integrated graphics, so your saving some money there. Can save you 30-40 bucks there.

I'd seriously coonsider switching to a Nvidia GTX 660 instead of the 7850, its an all around better card and the price difference is marginal.

If your planning on overclocking at all, you should go for a Z77 or Z75 chipset motherboard, Asrock makes some good ones around 80 bucks.

You can save yourself some money on the RAM, you dont need 8 gigs for gaming, go 4 instead. Stick with the 1600 if your planning OCing ur CPU, and if not, go with a 1333 with a lower CAS latency (7 or 8)

 

You could easily run a GTX 660 and a i5-3350P off a 450w (no overclocking), if your gonna OC go for a 550+

 

Anyways that should help you shave 30-60 bucks off and you'll end up with a much more balanced gaming rig.

If you get a Core i5-3350P, then you lose much of the CPU speed advantage over an AMD FX-6300 in games that don't scale well to many cores, but you still pay a considerable price premium for it.  Meanwhile, you'd then have a processor that is considerably slower than an FX-6300 in things that do scale well to six cores.  And you can't overclock an 3350P, either.

Switching to a GeForce GTX 660 adds $35 to the price tag before rebate or $40 after.  Yes, it's faster than a Radeon HD 7850, so you can make a good case for it on an appropriate budget.  But the original poster is trying to bring the budget down, not up.

Memory has gotten cheap enough that you don't actually save very much by going with 4 GB instead of 8 GB.  So that's something I'd advise against, as there is a substantial chance that you'll want more than 4 GB at some point.  If you do get 4 GB, you need two 2 GB modules, not one 4 GB module, as you need one module for each memory channel or else you cut your memory bandwidth in half.

Also, you do realize that latency timings are in numbers of clock cycles, don't you?  For example, 1600 MHz CAS 9 is lower CAS latency (11.25 ns) than 1333 MHz CAS 8 (12 ns).

  Ridelynn

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1/11/13 11:43:12 PM#5

I think you need to re-evaluate this build some.

You have a B75 chipset motherboard, which probably isn't what you want (almost all gamers go with a Z77). It's also microATX - which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you've got a relatively expensive mid-tower ATX case to stick it in.

To get closer to $700, your looking at dropping to an AMD FX (probably the FX-6300), snagging a AM3+ motherboard (something like Asus M5A97) , and ~maybe~ keeping a 7850, but probably dropping to a 7770.

I just poked around Newegg - other deal hounds can likely do better, but here's what I came up with:

LG DVD Burner: $16.99
NZXT Mid-Tower ATX Case: $39.99 (keeps a similar look, helluva lot cheaper)
TOSHIBA 1T 7200rpm drive: $69.99
Asus M5A97 AM3+ 970 ATX Motherboard: $89.99 ($10 MIR)
MSI 7770Ghz 1Gb: $124.99 ($15 MIR)
Corsair CX430M Power Supply: $44.99 ($15 MIR)
Crucial Ballistix 8G (2x4G) PC-1600 9-9-9 1.5V: $46.99
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 6-core CPU: $139.99
Windows 8 64-bit OEM: $99.00
Cooler Master CPU Heat Sink: $19.99

Total: $693.90
Tax: depends
Shipping: depends
So it goes over $700 total once you throw in tax+shipping (unless you deduct the MIR's back out), and that's dropping to pretty much bare everything that I felt comfortable doing without throttling all the way back to an APU.

  Quizzical

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1/11/13 11:47:15 PM#6
One other thing I'll mention is that the point of a Sapphire FleX card like the one in the original post is that it has some special stuff onboard to let you use three DVI monitors from a single card at once, rather than needing to use DisplayPort for a third monitor.  That's great if you want three monitor Eyefinity, as paying $10 extra for a video card is cheaper than $30 for a monitor port adapter.  But it's a waste of money if you're not going to use a third monitor, as there are other Radeon HD 7770s that are cheaper.
  Spartan3088

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OP  1/12/13 2:02:13 PM#7

Quizzical u seem to know alot about building these... I am very lost when it comes to the video cards. Is there a big jump in performance from the Radeon HD 7770 to the 7850? I was thinking about saving money and going with the 7770 however if its a big jump in performance i would spend a little more and get the 7850. Also there are so many different cards of each and i am not sure which 7770 or 7850 to go with... could u link me one that u think would be best for my build? I am only planning on getting one monitor.(3 would be cool but i am poor)

Also it kind of sounded like u thought i should get a different motherboard if i stay with the i5 3570k. Again could u link what u think would work best. I will look into going with a AMD FX 6200 over the i5 but want to read up on it little 1st.(not planning on overcloaking at all...just want this pc to last a long time) Do I need a sound card or can I just use the on board sound they put with them?

thanks alot for the help everyone

  Quizzical

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1/12/13 6:44:12 PM#8
Originally posted by Spartan3088

Quizzical u seem to know alot about building these... I am very lost when it comes to the video cards. Is there a big jump in performance from the Radeon HD 7770 to the 7850? I was thinking about saving money and going with the 7770 however if its a big jump in performance i would spend a little more and get the 7850. Also there are so many different cards of each and i am not sure which 7770 or 7850 to go with... could u link me one that u think would be best for my build? I am only planning on getting one monitor.(3 would be cool but i am poor)

Also it kind of sounded like u thought i should get a different motherboard if i stay with the i5 3570k. Again could u link what u think would work best. I will look into going with a AMD FX 6200 over the i5 but want to read up on it little 1st.(not planning on overcloaking at all...just want this pc to last a long time) Do I need a sound card or can I just use the on board sound they put with them?

thanks alot for the help everyone

If it's for gaming purposes, I'd recommend saving money on the CPU (by getting an FX-6300) before the GPU.  A Radeon HD 7770 is the top bin of the "Cape Verde" GPU, while a 7850 is the "Pitcairn" GPU.  A Cape Verde GPU chip is roughly a Pitcairn chip cut in half--and yes, that means you lose half of the performance.  A 7850 does disable 1/5 of the CUs and clock the whole thing lower, so it's not double the performance of a 7770, but it is a pretty big gap.  A 7850 has 38% more shader and TMU performance than a 7770, 72% more ROP performance, and more than double the memory bandwidth.

It's a big enough gap that I wouldn't consider the 7770 to be the next card down from a 7850.  Rather, in AMD's lineup, that's just a hole where there aren't any cards, and Nvidia fills it with a GeForce GTX 650 Ti.

That said, a 7770 is a capable card, and can run games just fine.  But it's a big step down from a 7850.

  Spartan3088

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OP  1/13/13 1:50:58 PM#9

Which card do u like best then?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127704&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162127&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131477&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

or if u know a better one around $130.00 plz link

  Spartan3088

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OP  1/13/13 2:12:02 PM#10

What do u think about these builds?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xpVS

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xpEl

 

i was lost on what motherboard to use and video card on both builds. plz send link if u have a better one for around same price

  ShakyMo

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1/13/13 2:26:05 PM#11
I have 6300, I can play every game on full settings with great frame rate. That said I have a highish end gpu. But still in supposedly cpu heavy games like planetside 2, I'm still pulling a steady 60 in 1080p with everything turned up to max.
  Quizzical

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1/13/13 2:35:50 PM#12
Originally posted by Spartan3088

What do u think about these builds?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xpVS

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xpEl

 

i was lost on what motherboard to use and video card on both builds. plz send link if u have a better one for around same price

If you regard rebates as "free", then either of the GeForce GTX 650 Tis that you linked would be nice, as would the Sapphire 7770 from one of your build links.  The proper platform for a Core i5-3570K is a Z77 motherboard.  It will work with a Z68 motherboard, but won't be ideal--meaning you likely lose support for some features such as PCI Express 3.0.

I still think you should get a cheaper case, such in the combo deal with the higher quality power supply that I linked.

  Spartan3088

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OP  1/13/13 3:20:00 PM#13

Your right on the case for sure however i just like it so i willing to pay more for it(i know its dumb). other then the case how do they look. and which would u go for? Do u like the i5 or AMD? and do u like the GeForce GTX 650 Ti or the 7770?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xqzO

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xqD2

I change the power supply and on the i5 i change it to a Z77 like u said. for $100 more is the i5 build the way to go or should i get the AMD because i wouldnt see much diff. in the builds?

still open to change things just let me know what to pick

  Quizzical

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1/13/13 3:48:10 PM#14
Originally posted by Spartan3088

Your right on the case for sure however i just like it so i willing to pay more for it(i know its dumb). other then the case how do they look. and which would u go for? Do u like the i5 or AMD? and do u like the GeForce GTX 650 Ti or the 7770?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xqzO

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xqD2

I change the power supply and on the i5 i change it to a Z77 like u said. for $100 more is the i5 build the way to go or should i get the AMD because i wouldnt see much diff. in the builds?

still open to change things just let me know what to pick

On your budget, I think it makes more sense to save money and go with an AMD processor.  Also, if you get an AMD processor, skip the aftermarket cooler, as the stock coolers that come with AMD's FX processors are about as good as a cheap aftermarket cooler, anyawy.

The choice between a GeForce GTX 650 Ti and a Radeon HD 7770 is really just one of budget.  If you're thinking of buying an Intel processor, then you've got a large enough budget that I'd go ahead and get the GTX 650 Ti.

If you really want to spend that much on a case because you love the looks of it, that's fine.  It's your money, not mine, but some people care more about aesthetics than others.  And paying an extra $50 for a case that you think looks great sure beats paying double to get a Mac or some such.

For the power supply, it's not just "get a different power supply at random".  You still need to get something good.  The Rosewill Capstone is very nice, and 450 W is plenty for your needs:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Or if you're trying to save some money, you could just get a lower wattage version of what you picked the first time:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

You're looking at building a computer that will probably never pull 250 W from the power supply, so you don't need 600 W.

  Spartan3088

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OP  1/13/13 7:54:59 PM#15

I was told by a friend to make sure to get a power supply of 650w + so i dont get browning.  I was lost and didnt know what a good one was vs a bad one. i will change both builds to ur pick http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

lol u clearly know way more about this stuff then us.

I was going to go with the i5 but sounds like the AMD is just as good(well very close 2). I will drop the fan as i didnt even know that it came with one lol.  Was the motherboard i picked any good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Other then that i think that is my build.....unless u can think of anything else i should change or do.

thanks so much for all ur help!

  ShakyMo

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1/13/13 8:22:18 PM#16
Quality rather than quantity is more important in a psu