Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL .. superior .. so superior that Eve never got pass 500k users.

So superior that devs abandoned in a jiffy.

It is only "superior" in your mind. There is nothing superior in gaming. Just games that some people like. It is called personal preference. The whole notion of "superiority" in games is just silly.

In the NA/EU region there are a grand total of 3 MMORPGs that ever reached 500k subs outside of the first month spike

1. WoW

2. EQ, at its peak.  This was only about a 6 month period in 2004

3.  SWTOR, but this was still part of its release spike.

 

Thats it, only 3.  And 2 of the three just barely.

 

Trying to insult a game by saying it never got past 500k users is just flat out asinine.

When someone actually questions the incredible success that CCP has had with EVE, you really have to question what they even know of the industry. This should be basic stuff for people who frequent a site like this. 

It's one thing to not enjoy or even appreciate a video game, but it's a whole other story when someone goes out of their way to insult a very successful video game and deny the fact that it's an utter success. 

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL .. superior .. so superior that Eve never got pass 500k users.

So superior that devs abandoned in a jiffy.

It is only "superior" in your mind. There is nothing superior in gaming. Just games that some people like. It is called personal preference. The whole notion of "superiority" in games is just silly.

In the NA/EU region there are a grand total of 3 MMORPGs that ever reached 500k subs outside of the first month spike

1. WoW

2. EQ, at its peak.  This was only about a 6 month period in 2004

3.  SWTOR, but this was still part of its release spike.

 

Thats it, only 3.  And 2 of the three just barely.

 

Trying to insult a game by saying it never got past 500k users is just flat out asinine.

When someone actually questions the incredible success that CCP has had with EVE, you really have to question what they even know of the industry. This should be basic stuff for people who frequent a site this. 

It's one thing to not enjoy or even appreciate a video game, but it's a whole other story when someone goes out of their way to insult a very successful video game and deny the fact that it's an utter success. 

he does this all the time to try to make his single player and lobby games seem so popular. In fact 400-450k subs is a hell of a lot better than his 1 million accounts that only 5% of the gamers pay into the cash shop. These facts seem to be obmitted each time.

the length of time and the steady amount of subs = success. Any game to make it 5+ years is a success, considering 95% of mmo's today dont even reach half that time.

I personaly dont play EVE, but respect it for what it is.

But even if you dont like that kind of game, to always bash the genre is just a horrible sign of how narrow minded people are. I love sandboxes, but i dont go to every themepark or lobby game forum and flame the users because i think my style of game is better. Unlike some here.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL .. superior .. so superior that Eve never got pass 500k users.

So superior that devs abandoned in a jiffy.

It is only "superior" in your mind. There is nothing superior in gaming. Just games that some people like. It is called personal preference. The whole notion of "superiority" in games is just silly.

 

In the NA/EU region there are a grand total of 3 MMORPGs that ever reached 500k subs outside of the first month spike

1. WoW

2. EQ, at its peak.  This was only about a 6 month period in 2004

3.  SWTOR, but this was still part of its release spike.

 

Thats it, only 3.  And 2 of the three just barely.

 

Trying to insult a game by saying it never got past 500k users is just flat out asinine.

Well if you include release spike there are several more (actually EQ never got past 450k, but thats close enough).

AOC I believe had 700k at release, lotro I believe also had around there at release (might be wrong on that one).  Warhammer had over a million in it's spike.

And these are just in the west, as far as we know (dificult to tell by region).  Worldwide there are several dozen.

and Eve is played worldwide as well, difficult to say how many are in just the NA/EU region.

Maple story, LOL, WOT .. enough said.

Originally posted by eddieg50

1. Tsw

2.  SWTOR

3. Vanguard

4. Guildwars 2

5. Guild wars 1 and of course all expansions

6. STO

7. Fallen Earth

8. Ryzom

9. Tera (will be downloading to play again on Jan 16)

10. AOC--terrible F2P option but I love the combat

11. LOTRO- edited in, a true leader in F2P

12. Uncharterd Waters- a little known but a gem of a sailing sandbox

I don't know about golden age, but I'm having a good time.  That's a good game list.

Here's mine:  GW2, TSW, EQ2, LotRO, STO, GW1, and RaiderZ.  I'm looking forward to adding City of Steam and Neverwinter when they release and maybe Tera.

No complaints here.  Golden age to me sort of implies it can't get any better, but I think it will only get better.  It's better than it was 10 years ago and still going.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by eddieg50

1. Tsw

2.  SWTOR

3. Vanguard

4. Guildwars 2

5. Guild wars 1 and of course all expansions

6. STO

7. Fallen Earth

8. Ryzom

9. Tera (will be downloading to play again on Jan 16)

10. AOC--terrible F2P option but I love the combat

11. LOTRO- edited in, a true leader in F2P

12. Uncharterd Waters- a little known but a gem of a sailing sandbox

I don't know about golden age, but I'm having a good time.  That's a good game list.

Here's mine:  GW2, TSW, EQ2, LotRO, STO, GW1, and RaiderZ.  I'm looking forward to adding City of Steam and Neverwinter when they release and maybe Tera.

No complaints here.  Golden age to me sort of implies it can't get any better, but I think it will only get better.  It's better than it was 10 years ago and still going.

WEll, it can get better and go to the platinum age :P

NOw is a lot better than the time when UO/EQ was released, at least for me. Many choices, Many different settings. More game-like. All good in my book.

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

Originally posted by Theodwulf

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

 

I count myself very lucky I don't see the world through your eyes. What a bitter exsistance you must have.

Originally posted by Theodwulf

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

 

No .. all they are guilty of is not to make the game YOU like. You are just bitter because they progress without you.

If they make a pile of money, enough people like it. That is the principle of supply and demand.

It is a good time ... just not for you.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL .. superior .. so superior that Eve never got pass 500k users.

So superior that devs abandoned in a jiffy.

It is only "superior" in your mind. There is nothing superior in gaming. Just games that some people like. It is called personal preference. The whole notion of "superiority" in games is just silly.

 

In the NA/EU region there are a grand total of 3 MMORPGs that ever reached 500k subs outside of the first month spike

1. WoW

2. EQ, at its peak.  This was only about a 6 month period in 2004

3.  SWTOR, but this was still part of its release spike.

 

Thats it, only 3.  And 2 of the three just barely.

 

Trying to insult a game by saying it never got past 500k users is just flat out asinine.

Well if you include release spike there are several more (actually EQ never got past 450k, but thats close enough).

AOC I believe had 700k at release, lotro I believe also had around there at release (might be wrong on that one).  Warhammer had over a million in it's spike.

And these are just in the west, as far as we know (dificult to tell by region).  Worldwide there are several dozen.

and Eve is played worldwide as well, difficult to say how many are in just the NA/EU region.

Maple story, LOL, WOT .. enough said.

LOL seriously? For real? All three of those suck just saying. 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Theodwulf

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

 

No .. all they are guilty of is not to make the game YOU like. You are just bitter because they progress without you.

If they make a pile of money, enough people like it. That is the principle of supply and demand.

It is a good time ... just not for you.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and read some posts before jumping to such conclusions. In fact he and many others here feel the same. Think you are the only one in this thread that likes gimped games...........hmmmmm

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Maple story, LOL, WOT .. enough said.

LOL seriously? For real? All three of those suck just saying. 

Two of them aren't even MMOs for god's sake. So, for the sake of the thread, they fall into the category of who cares.

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Theodwulf

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

 

No .. all they are guilty of is not to make the game YOU like. You are just bitter because they progress without you.

If they make a pile of money, enough people like it. That is the principle of supply and demand.

It is a good time ... just not for you.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and read some posts before jumping to such conclusions. In fact he and many others here feel the same. Think you are the only one in this thread that likes gimped games...........hmmmmm

There's no shortage of bitter burnt out mmo players on this site. It doesn't mean they're right. It just means their time has come and gone and they don't know it yet.

Originally posted by DamonVile

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Theodwulf

   For game makers it is a golden age. They are able to slap together a turd of a game and make a pile of money. It is a dark age for the MMO  consumer. The Market is driven by unethical companies that have no qualms about selling a sub-standard product. They are more interested in the "quick buck" than long term profits and readily destroy any good reputation they once had to acheive this. They are supported by legions of online shills who are payed to lie about..i mean hype these  games.   How does this story end? The consumer smartens the heck up and spends their entertainment dollars else where.  I have accepted that the industry is incapable of putting out anything of value and moved onto FTP games and offline activities..

 

No .. all they are guilty of is not to make the game YOU like. You are just bitter because they progress without you.

If they make a pile of money, enough people like it. That is the principle of supply and demand.

It is a good time ... just not for you.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and read some posts before jumping to such conclusions. In fact he and many others here feel the same. Think you are the only one in this thread that likes gimped games...........hmmmmm

There's no shortage of bitter burnt out mmo players on this site. It doesn't mean they're right. It just means their time has come and gone and they don't know it yet.

Do believe you see more bitter new age gamers complaining about crappy games than you do about old timers like myself complaining about them. Just saying.

They hype up a game so much and think its better than anything in the world. Play it for 3 weeks and quit because their story dried out and they have nothing to do.

The fact is most of us old timers just want decent games that dont center on just one aspect, but all aspects of a mmo. Why should a mmo be limited to just story, or just pvp? It should have a happy medium between all features and mechanics to provide better entertainment and casual to hardcore gaming. It should be open to all sides not just one or the other. Older mmo's did this, and felt more lively. I personaly dont hate the newer games, they just arent what they could be.

Whats wrong with having a large open world in a themepark? Restricted pvp by levels to prevent griefing? To have story but no restrictions on how you evel? To have an in depth crafting system equal to the looting sysytem for combatant and crafters to be on equal grounds? To have crafters take part in pvp in a different aspect instead of fighting (craft turrets, weapons, structures, etc)?

Why must our mmos be so single sided and we just have to deal with it? Swap games every moth is not my idea of fun. The community is fun, the people make a good game. They leave every few weeks just hurts the game.

MMO's need to incooperate a wide variety of features mechanics, and aspects and be able to use them together to make a good freaking game. Not just a story or a pvp event.

I am still playing. I doubt gamers who had given up on MMO's totally would even bother to post on this site. New players coming into the genre will only play today’s MMO's so they are going to think they are wonderful.

How many players are left on SWTOR and TSW? How many will be left on GW2 in a couple of months? 3 AAA releases, all fine games, struggling to keep players. That is not a Goldern Age of MMO's in anyone's book.

The Golden age for me was 1997-2004

Though PC gaming died for me in 2005 thanx to the dumbing down of games with the 360 and the Wii a year later. It was just PC franchise after PC franchise moving to consoles and being dumbed down. 

Since 2010 however the PC has had a resurgence and we've had so many indie developers making games, F2P has given developers confidence to make big titles for PC again also. Then we've had Steam just becoming so massively popular that developers have confidenve their games will sell and everything now gets ported to PC. We've had amazing mods like Dayz and Black Mesa Source and No more room in Hell and we've had Minecraft which started this whole charging to play Alpha/beta thing which people now accept. Now we've had Kickstarter that has started AAA developers leaving big studios and getting players to fund their games. 

I'll be sad when the new consoles come out because developers will all jump to them and the PC will go in decline for a few years until the hardware becomes so far ahead again. The bad thing about the PC is having to use APIs, where consoles can write to metal so they're so much more efficient. Consoles that get released will be more powerful than a PC for a few years simply because of this fact, well that and how their chips are built onto the board and not in PCIE slots and what not.

Originally posted by jinxxed0
Surely OP is just being sarcastic. This is the crappiest time for MMOs. It can only get worse once all the sandbox games end up failing.

   Nope I am quite serious, this is the golden age for those of us who want to play a good quality mmo that is F2P or close to F2P. Although I do agree that this is not that great for sand box ers, but still you have xyson and ryzom and if you want to do a sub you have eve and DF and now AC2

Originally posted by strangiato2112

There is little question that the best time for MMORPGs was early 2004

EQ was still in its prime

DAoC/UO/AC were all still options

EvE was growing

FFXI

SWG was still a sandbox

 

You can even stretch it to that moment that WoW and EQ2 launched and the other games were still thriving.  But by the end of 2005 even though Vanilla WoW was a great, great game and EQ2 was starting to become one, the early game's population was declining fast and SWG was getting NGE'd.

 

^ This.

STO? SWTOR? Fail. Just fail.