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  SpectralHunter

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1/12/13 3:28:30 PM#21
Originally posted by BlueMountain
They made a deal with early backers and would have a hard time now going back on it. Seems overkill to not back the game for the sake of a few minor items.

You are speaking as a committed backer.  A lot of people aren't committed as you so it's difficult to say it's overkill for those folks.

  Vortex5oo

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1/12/13 3:29:39 PM#22
Originally posted by BlueMountain
They made a deal with early backers and would have a hard time now going back on it. Seems overkill to not back the game for the sake of a few minor items.

 

Each to his own I guess. Im not backing it but I will still keep my eyes on it. :)

  BlueMountain

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Lo, the mighty Oak.

Just a little nut who stood his ground.

1/12/13 4:07:01 PM#23

True, I've pledged more than most, but the flip side of that is I get all the daily deals and what have you anyway, no matter what anyone else does or doesn't get.

I cannot speak for others though, so your point is well taken.

To dream, perhaps to be.

  3-4thElf

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1/12/13 4:13:49 PM#24

I share only a few of your listed concerns, and I'm not going to support this kickstarter based on those.

It's a big enough company to not need this. Avoiding a publisher is cool and all, but taking donations plus offering a product via commerce from a community seems a touch greedy.

Plus I kind of doubt their goals now.

I hope it all pans out for the better, but feel free to color me a skeptic.

a yo ho ho

  Vortex5oo

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1/12/13 4:27:08 PM#25
Originally posted by SpectralHunter
Originally posted by MumboJumbo
Originally posted by Vortex5oo

Well this put me off totally. I wont pledge at all. I just dont understand why the ingame trinkets and fluff stuff is so far out of reach for us late backers while tabletop minis and pdfs is thrown at me while I try donate my money to this mmorpg PC game project. I dont care about the Pathfinder TT. I care about PF:O and it would be a nice gesture to award me with ingame items for the pledge. Im willing to donate 100-150$ for all ingame daily items in this kickstarter but 1000$ is insane.

I have to agree with you regarding the dailies should be open to all at $100 - possibly? But they can't reign in their promise for attracting people sitting on the fence early with the daily deal, so that's why I think.

Tbh, I don't think these items will be very serious in game: I think they are mostly fluff and have zero mechanical use. But they do as above entice early support (for momentum with the project) and also reveal (daily) some of the abundance of unique items there will be planned. Which is again good and more mmo value too than just TT value.

Tbh, you still get a great deal at the $100 level and fluff only has collector or resale value once the crafters get busy maybe??

I think you underestimate the value of fluff items.  There are MMOs that make a killing just selling vanity stuff.  And if PFO has appearance slots like most other MMOs, these items will be coveted. 

I think they did a poor job with the daily deals.  Instead, they should have allowed you to select any of the items depending upon how early you made your $100 pledge.  If you did it the first day, you got all of it.  If you did it the last three days, you could select any three.  That way people could still pledge a bit later and not feel they lost out on items they really wanted and could ignore items they didn't care for.

I agree.

 

They could also have set the daily rewards by the pledge tier i.e. at 35$ you can choose 5 of 30 dailys, at 50$ 10 of 30 dailys and so on tier by tier. At 150$ you get all dailys. They could still have unlocked one daily reward a day.

 

And instead of making the deal lesser interesting each day for us "fluff collector nuts on the fence" it would be a better deal by each day and a bigger reason for us to throw more money on GW. The whole KS, from start to end. As it is now only the "first day" backers get a better deal each day for their money and the potential backer gets a bader deal for not spending their money each day.

 

Well I know its volentary to join the fund raiser, but after funding 10+ KS I just find it weird that I should be punished for plegding late in the KS. Why not make the system above where it gets more and more rewarding to pledge and for all. 

 

Well Im not backing so no need for me to rant here.

  Slapshot1188

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1/12/13 4:36:17 PM#26

The Daily Deals are just little fluff items to reward people who back early.   I missed out on 21 of them while I looked into the game and decided to pledge.  To me the far more important factors are Destiny's Twin (which allows backers to skill up 2 characters at a time) and the Early Enrollment to be in on day one of a sandbox world.

 

If fluff items are the most important part of the pledge to you, then it might be best to skip the pledge and play when the game hits release.  For me, the package of goodies that are included at the crowd forger level is just too much to pass up.  I'm not even a tabletop player but I'm looking forward to seeing the Core Rulebook and the Guide to the River Kingdoms as well as the novel...

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  SpectralHunter

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Joined: 7/14/05
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1/12/13 4:41:53 PM#27
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

The Daily Deals are just little fluff items to reward people who back early.   I missed out on 21 of them while I looked into the game and decided to pledge.  To me the far more important factors are Destiny's Twin (which allows backers to skill up 2 characters at a time) and the Early Enrollment to be in on day one of a sandbox world.

 

If fluff items are the most important part of the pledge to you, then it might be best to skip the pledge and play when the game hits release.  For me, the package of goodies that are included at the crowd forger level is just too much to pass up.  I'm not even a tabletop player but I'm looking forward to seeing the Core Rulebook and the Guide to the River Kingdoms as well as the novel...

People need to stop minimizing the value of certain rewards because they personally don't care.  It may be fluff items to you but to some "on the fence" pledgers, it may be a deal breaker.  And isn't KS about trying to get pledges?  I'm saying their strategy for Daily Deals seemed a bit short-sighted.

I have a feeling they will make their goal (but there's still doubt it might not happen) but how disappointing will it be if they failed their KS funding because they didn't think through at the consequences of Daily Deals? 

  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 3991

1/12/13 4:59:47 PM#28
Originally posted by SpectralHunter
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

The Daily Deals are just little fluff items to reward people who back early.   I missed out on 21 of them while I looked into the game and decided to pledge.  To me the far more important factors are Destiny's Twin (which allows backers to skill up 2 characters at a time) and the Early Enrollment to be in on day one of a sandbox world.

 

If fluff items are the most important part of the pledge to you, then it might be best to skip the pledge and play when the game hits release.  For me, the package of goodies that are included at the crowd forger level is just too much to pass up.  I'm not even a tabletop player but I'm looking forward to seeing the Core Rulebook and the Guide to the River Kingdoms as well as the novel...

People need to stop minimizing the value of certain rewards because they personally don't care.  It may be fluff items to you but to some "on the fence" pledgers, it may be a deal breaker.  And isn't KS about trying to get pledges?  I'm saying their strategy for Daily Deals seemed a bit short-sighted.

I have a feeling they will make their goal (but there's still doubt it might not happen) but how disappointing will it be if they failed their KS funding because they didn't think through at the consequences of Daily Deals? 

Apparently they felt that the benefit of keeping them exclusive to early backers and Alpha level pledges was greater than the potential loss of a few lower level folks.   Like I said, if it is really a dealbreaker then... don't pledge and wait for release to see how it shapes out.  You are probably not the target of this promotion.  Whether that was a wise decision on their part or not remains to be seen over the next 2 days.

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  BlackUhuru

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"When you are confused, you are learning something"

1/12/13 5:01:01 PM#29
You can get all the daily deals even if you pledge now!

What's the deal?

"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes

  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 3991

1/12/13 5:03:07 PM#30
Originally posted by BlackUhuru
You can get all the daily deals even if you pledge now!

What's the deal?

Only if you pledge at an Alpha level or buddy up with someone who was an early backer.

 

On the other hand... DING $800k!!!

 

 

$200k to go over the next 2 days!

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  BlackUhuru

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Posts: 793

"When you are confused, you are learning something"

1/12/13 5:09:24 PM#31
Woot! 800k...

"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes

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