Originally posted by kertin

And now seriously, here we have true f2p restrictions and different account types and how can you see f2p Tera will have one of the best models on the market if not the best together with Aion.

Euh I think you don't really know what's in the Aion CS to says that its one of the best model on the market... Aion CS is full of pay to win items, such as some AP booster that works in PvP,  some equipements boost (not sure what they are),  various scrolls that boost your powers, some titles scroll that give you for example +2% attack speed, +5% running speed, and +4% flight speed for 15 days and so on. Tho, I'm not entirely sure they all work in PvP but I guess it is since some AP booster works. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On topic, well I might give TERA a try since it will go F2P in February (even tho I'm still enjoying GW2 a lot), my friend was playing at release so we might play together, wouldn't try it if I was alone lol. I guess their chronoscrolls idea wasn't the best for a themepark MMO. It was great for us, the players, since we could play without ever subbing with real cash but I guess it wasn't profitable enough.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Its not that they dont care, if they dont like the game they will pay.  however they arent petty and say 'well, I am only getting $6.34 of enjoyment so forget it'.  

That statement has nothing to do with was I was saying.  The game could be decent but not worth $15 a month to some people.  Again this is basic "cost versus value".

Originally posted by strangiato2112

And the only reason games go f2p is to increase revenue, so the key is how to get the f2pers to pay.  So yes, they have to design the game around those who don't pay in order to get them to pay.  otherwise there is no reason to go f2p.

Yes, it is to increase revenue.  The key to getting people to play is announce it's going free-to-play.  In a way they do have to design the game around the model; make a cash shop, create limations for freeplayers, etc. but many of these changes have little effect on subscribers.  In Tera's case subers got extra stuff like mounts, an unique title and cash shop items.

This is not enough for me to support your claim that f2p and p2p have completely different wants.  I think you are unfairly segergating the playerbase into improper stereotypes.  Without further information I think we're at the point to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Onomas
restrictions on there are almost as horrible as SWTOR. Was thinking of giving it another try, but whats the point when you are so limited in every way. Why i hate F2P games, just not worth it.

Problem being, they bash Swtor for a restriction that doesn't exist anymore, but they're no better. 

Cheap marketing shot, they have to be VERY carefull, restrictions tend to make a mmo more boring if not executed right, ticks off the whole community, as with Swtor( They have fixed allot of it though)

Now there's choice, and competition though : GW2 , Planetside 2 , TSW , SWTOR, Raiderz , all new, good Quality titles to contend with, SOON this market will be too saturated to sustain itself.

Unfortunately I think it's going to implode on itself, and if like me, people associated f2p with garbage, as if a game does not warrant a sub, or even a physical disc copy purchase, then what makes it good enough to play , then they're going to have a bad time.

Originally posted by RedMachine72
Ok. I buy the game and don't sub I get 8 char slots and 288 bank slots, but the rest is restricted. I don't buy and I sub I can have only 2 char slots and if I want more have to purchase and only 72 bank slots with option to purchase. Hell even TOR is not that restrictive if you decide to sub. In ToR a sub unlocks everything and you don't have to make any type of purchase if you don't want to. But in TERA, unless you buy the game and not just switch from ftp to sub, you get screwed. Nice.

you can always buy the game later to changing to veteran/tera club. Why rage about being forced to spend 20 bucks on a game. Its not like as if you can play any other subscription game without buying the original package.

Originally posted by Kain_Dale

Guess there is a new method for making new games: Game box with cd to sell for 60 bucks... then 1 year later make it go free 2 play with cash shop for more money.  

Company still thinks greed > fun which is really sad.

I am curious to know what you think companies should do? Does it make sense to lose dollar after dollar? Would you throw cash out the window each day?

I see people complain that companies are "greedy", what are they supposed to do then?

Loved TERA, Hated the Grind. Will I play for free? hell yeah.

Best combat and most stunning graphics I have ever seen in any MMO. Looking forward to it.

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Originally posted by Onomas

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Originally posted by lizardbones  

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Originally posted by Onomas restrictions on there are almost as horrible as SWTOR. Was thinking of giving it another try, but whats the point when you are so limited in every way. Why i hate F2P games, just not worth it.

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What are the limitations of the F2P? Do they restrict your ability bars? That still takes the cake for most nonsensical restriction I think.  

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I was looking at their discovery edition restrictions. Not the same thing as F2P i guess.

You may only have 1 Discovery Edition on your En Masse account.

• Max level 28
• 200g limit
• Max gathering skill of 150
• Max crafting skill of 100
• 2 characters per serverChat restrictions:
  • Area chat
  • Global Chat
  • Trade Chat
  • Bargaining at the brokerage
  • Party search Whispers (you will be able to whisper to players on your friends list)Limits to: Bank. You cannot deposit gold into your bank. Parcel. You may not send parcel messages, but you may receive them. Friends List. You may not add people to your friends list, but other may add you to their friends list. If someone adds you to their friends list they will show up on your friends list. Whispers. You may only whisper your friends. Guild. You may not apply to or create a guild, but if invited, you may accept a guild invite. Trade Broker. You may not post items for sale, but you may purchase items.
  Other restrictions: No dueling, death matches, or battlegrounds. No trading. You may not transfer to another server.

 

 

The F2P stuff is here:

http://support.enmasse.com/tera/tera-rising-play-for-free

Which doesnt seem too bad. So i will probably give this another try. Didnt actualy get far into it.

 

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Discovery edition will go away once the F2P hits.

There's 3 levels of accounts after Rising:

1) Free. You get pretty much everything current subscribers get, except for less bank slots and only 2 character slots.
2) Buy the game. You get everything. No subscriptions afterwards.
3) Subscription. You get everything plus a little extra. These things are all made out to max-level farmers and group players, with lower dungeon cooldowns and more dailies.

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Originally posted by RedMachine72
Ok. I buy the game and don't sub I get 8 char slots and 288 bank slots, but the rest is restricted. I don't buy and I sub I can have only 2 char slots and if I want more have to purchase and only 72 bank slots with option to purchase. Hell even TOR is not that restrictive if you decide to sub. In ToR a sub unlocks everything and you don't have to make any type of purchase if you don't want to. But in TERA, unless you buy the game and not just switch from ftp to sub, you get screwed. Nice.

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TOR is far more restrictive... You lose nothing in TERA when switching back to free, whereas in TOR you lose almost everything unless you've also bought it in the Cartel shop.

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Kain_Dale

Guess there is a new method for making new games: Game box with cd to sell for 60 bucks... then 1 year later make it go free 2 play with cash shop for more money.  

Company still thinks greed > fun which is really sad.

I am curious to know what you think companies should do? Does it make sense to lose dollar after dollar? Would you throw cash out the window each day?

 

I see people complain that companies are "greedy", what are they supposed to do then?

Every time a company releases a game early with bugs, lack of content, lack of features, lack of longevity, lack of social interaction, making of a cookie cutter, chasing wow's success, bad mechanics, story driven only mmorpg, sloppy balance between pve-pvp-crafting-exploration, and anytime they have horrible combat design.................. yeah pretty much.

Yeah i know so many of you love the fast and easy ride that lasts 3 weeks then go to the next game. You think its cool and fun to play 20 games at one time (not directed at you but others that flame us gamers that like a real mmorpg). The fact is these styles of games being released in todays industry do not hold up. They are shallow and never last. Think of the major and even indie mmo's that have followed this path............. now out of the 300+ mmorpg's released this past few years.......how many survived and made true profits and wasnt forced to close down, sell their company, think f2p would save their game?

3?4?

The industry in in a rut, and they loose money each time. Yeah its greed and basicaly wasting time and money.

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Kain_Dale

Guess there is a new method for making new games: Game box with cd to sell for 60 bucks... then 1 year later make it go free 2 play with cash shop for more money.  

Company still thinks greed > fun which is really sad.

I am curious to know what you think companies should do? Does it make sense to lose dollar after dollar? Would you throw cash out the window each day?

 

I see people complain that companies are "greedy", what are they supposed to do then?

Every time a company releases a game early with bugs, lack of content, lack of features, lack of longevity, lack of social interaction, making of a cookie cutter, chasing wow's success, bad mechanics, story driven only mmorpg, sloppy balance between pve-pvp-crafting-exploration, and anytime they have horrible combat design.................. yeah pretty much.

Yeah i know so many of you love the fast and easy ride that lasts 3 weeks then go to the next game. You think its cool and fun to play 20 games at one time (not directed at you but others that flame us gamers that like a real mmorpg). The fact is these styles of games being released in todays industry do not hold up. They are shallow and never last. Think of the major and even indie mmo's that have followed this path............. now out of the 300+ mmorpg's released this past few years.......how many survived and made true profits and wasnt forced to close down, sell their company, think f2p would save their game?

3?4?

The industry in in a rut, and they loose money each time. Yeah its greed and basicaly wasting time and money.

tbh they could have easily survived on the moneygain with the subscribers they had. In my opinion TERA always was supposed to be f2p but the devs first wanted to milk out everyone by releasing it as subsciption required.

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Onomas
restrictions on there are almost as horrible as SWTOR. Was thinking of giving it another try, but whats the point when you are so limited in every way. Why i hate F2P games, just not worth it.

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What are the limitations of the F2P? Do they restrict your ability bars? That still takes the cake for most nonsensical restriction I think.

 

I was looking at their discovery edition restrictions. Not the same thing as F2P i guess.

You may only have 1 Discovery Edition on your En Masse account.

• Max level 28
• 200g limit
• Max gathering skill of 150
• Max crafting skill of 100
• 2 characters per server

Chat restrictions:

• Area chat
• Global Chat
• Trade Chat
• Bargaining at the brokerage
• Party search
• Whispers (you will be able to whisper to players on your friends list)

Limits to:

• Bank. You cannot deposit gold into your bank.
• Parcel. You may not send parcel messages, but you may receive them.
• Friends List. You may not add people to your friends list, but other may add you to their friends list. If someone adds you to their friends list they will show up on your friends list.
• Whispers. You may only whisper your friends.
• Guild. You may not apply to or create a guild, but if invited, you may accept a guild invite.
• Trade Broker. You may not post items for sale, but you may purchase items.

Other restrictions:

• No dueling, death matches, or battlegrounds.
• No trading.
• You may not transfer to another server.

 

 

The F2P stuff is here:

http://support.enmasse.com/tera/tera-rising-play-for-free

Which doesnt seem too bad. So i will probably give this another try. Didnt actualy get far into it.

 

A level limit of 28? That is harsh.

I just had a look at the TERA europe Free to play comparisson chart, and there is no level limit and skill limit there.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by oafuape
and this was suppose to be one of the games competing with GW2. Please can we get a moment of silence?......game didn't even last a year, amen.

This was *never* a game that had any chance it competing with GW2.  Its upside was 250k.  To expect more than 100k given how poorly L2 and Aion did in the west was just being optimistic.

Oh my I remember before Tera released, there were people popping up in the SWTOR forums, telling everyone how much Tera will kill all other MMOS. Afterwards came the people who told everyone how much GW2 will kill every other MMO . For lulz..

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Onomas
restrictions on there are almost as horrible as SWTOR. Was thinking of giving it another try, but whats the point when you are so limited in every way. Why i hate F2P games, just not worth it.

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What are the limitations of the F2P? Do they restrict your ability bars? That still takes the cake for most nonsensical restriction I think.

 

I was looking at their discovery edition restrictions. Not the same thing as F2P i guess.

You may only have 1 Discovery Edition on your En Masse account.

• Max level 28
• 200g limit
• Max gathering skill of 150
• Max crafting skill of 100
• 2 characters per server

Chat restrictions:

• Area chat
• Global Chat
• Trade Chat
• Bargaining at the brokerage
• Party search
• Whispers (you will be able to whisper to players on your friends list)

Limits to:

• Bank. You cannot deposit gold into your bank.
• Parcel. You may not send parcel messages, but you may receive them.
• Friends List. You may not add people to your friends list, but other may add you to their friends list. If someone adds you to their friends list they will show up on your friends list.
• Whispers. You may only whisper your friends.
• Guild. You may not apply to or create a guild, but if invited, you may accept a guild invite.
• Trade Broker. You may not post items for sale, but you may purchase items.

Other restrictions:

• No dueling, death matches, or battlegrounds.
• No trading.
• You may not transfer to another server.

 

 

The F2P stuff is here:

http://support.enmasse.com/tera/tera-rising-play-for-free

Which doesnt seem too bad. So i will probably give this another try. Didnt actualy get far into it.

 

A level limit of 28? That is harsh.

I just had a look at the TERA europe Free to play comparisson chart, and there is no level limit and skill limit there.

That's the discovery (aka trial) edition limitation. When TERA goes f2p, there won't be a discovery edition anymore. US and EU f2p models are shockingy similiar, usually we EU people get shafted in the ass with some crappy version.

Well the "f2p period till the REAL F2P" in EU is like this: do anything you want, you CANT.

Chat ( you can use ONLY party chat)

Use warehouse/trade

Invite friends

Challenge to duel/deathmatch

To OP:

Going FTP is THE BEST thing that can happen to TERA.

Wanna play alone?

I caved and spent the $20 for the digital version to get founders status.  Just having all the bank slots + 8 char slots made it a nobrainer since it'll probably cost more in the long run (if it stays afloat that is haha).

not sure how much i'll actually play but GW2 just got boring and Secret World I just couldn't get into and finally quit WOW.  Maybe I'm just getting too old :(

 

Many f2p games have been doing very well (look at League of Legends or HiRez Studios)

Didn't care much about this "debate" until I saw this. 

Putting aside the vastly different characteristics of LoL and the typical MMORPGs, the former is the PERFECT example of what kind of community an f2p game attracts. Yes, it does well in terms of the size of its playerbase, but a large portion of LoL players are the type of people you'd love to punch a few times before tossing them into a vat of acid, if you met them in real life.

TERA potentially attracting such individuals isn't exactly something to shout about.

Originally posted by FromHell

 

Oh my I remember before Tera released, there were people popping up in the SWTOR forums, telling everyone how much Tera will kill all other MMOS. Afterwards came the people who told everyone how much GW2 will kill every other MMO . For lulz..

this happens with every single new mmo and the mammoth still holds the crown. Remember how SWTOR was going to rip WoWs heart with a spoon and drink its bloody playerbase? lol