Originally posted by planbee

To all of you complaining about the engine, you're looking at a very dated video and with them having only used the engine for a limited time. If you'd like to see the capabilities of the engine then just go to youtube and do some searches of the capabilities. It looks way different than the tech demo you're all raging about.

Additionally, the project already got its funding. Kickstarter is there for their reach goals. Please do some research before making stupid posts people...

I believe the Tech Demo cost kickstarter 300k from people that you called stupid.

Stop come to this forum if you cannot take any negatives comment from others?

Originally posted by Ozmodan

It is easy to talk about a feature list, it is much harder to implement such.  Kickstarting any company is a real crap shoot.  I have yet to any of these so called great sandbox games that really gets what a sandbox is.  My suggestion is to take a wait and see attitude on a game like this until we actually get information from people actually play testing it.

Must have had a significant brainfart to spout this nonsense: "After the Elder Scrolls Online project releases, there are no large AAA Theme Park MMOs under development at any significant publisher or studio. 

Titan and EQnext come to mind as AAA titles, you can bet  there are others unannounced.  This guy sounds like a snake oil salesman.  He can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk.   I have my doubts.

Oh and paying to beta test is just a real indication of bad intentions.   I do not trust companies that ask you to pay to test their software, should be the other way around.

EQNext has been announced as a sandbox that is why they scrapped their last version of it supposedly.

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Originally posted by DancingQueen
Only three days left on Kickstarter so please support Pathfinder Online and make your pledge on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo?ref=search

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Besides, I have never seen a bigger money grab than they have shown thus far.

• Player Money to fund their tech demo
• Player Money to help fund their game (which has corporate backing already)
• Player money up front to beta test their game
• Releasing with a Box + Sub + Cash Shop

By all means, pay and pay and pay to play their game. I'm just sayin'...

How can people not understand that this is the tech demo footage and does not represent ANY WHERE close to what the graphics will look like at release?

Did they not read/listen to a word that was said in the video/conversation/blogs?

Anyway, this is my frist kickstart, so good luck!

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 

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Originally posted by DancingQueen
Only three days left on Kickstarter so please support Pathfinder Online and make your pledge on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo?ref=search

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Why? They have corporate backing already. Why do they need player money on top of that? They will be answering to those corporate backers anyway.

 

Besides, I have never seen a bigger money grab than they have shown thus far.

• Player Money to fund their tech demo
• Player Money to help fund their game (which has corporate backing already)
• Player money up front to beta test their game
• Releasing with a Box + Sub + Cash Shop

 

By all means, pay and pay and pay to play their game. I'm just sayin'...

Yea, they promote on their sites that their CEO is Steve Job of marketing.

They definitely will milk the players to death lol, just like Apple.

>8(

Open PvP, Player Looting, and a Staggared launch ...  NO Thankyou!! 

Was looking forward to it untill those three things came to light!!

Voiced my opinions on the Official Paizo forums and the whole comunity there where so rude and think they are better then everyone..

So now I pulled my pledge and sold all my pathfinder books.. the MMO had put the biggest downer on the whole pathfinder world for me and many many others.. 

To those complaining about the graphics and the tech demo (the pictures put on mmorpg.com).. here's the official statement by the pathfinder team.

Creator Goblinworks Inc. on November 27

@Helgi Freyr Rúnarsson - No, what you see in the Tech Demo video is simulated combat. It has no relation to what will be in the actual game. The main objective of the Tech Demo from an engineering standpoint was to enable us to demonstrate things like taking a 2D sketch all the way to an animated 3D character and to get a sense for how the various tools interact. It's mostly eye-candy, not game mechanics. :)

To those worried about FFA pvp.. being ganked and such. (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo)

5. More Than A Gankfest- Unlike other Open World PVP MMO's currently on the market, Pathfinder Online actively discourages meaningless PVP. A meaningful alignment system that actually offers mechanical advantages to lawful and good aligned organizations, and a functional bounty system that allows the player to choose which players and organizations can collect the bounties they set discourages random and meaningless killing. Beyond this, the admins are taking a hard stance against 'griefing', in which players specifically seek to ruin the experience of other players, often through using game mechanics in ways that weren't intended. Griefing in PFO can be a bannable offence.

There will be meaningful objectives for both pvpers (territory aquisition) and pver's (meaningful crafting and their stated dynamic content.)  I keep on seeing repeats of the same statements.  To everyone their own but please don't spread disinformation.. of course this is the internets... :P 

We always say we want a AAA open world mmo but rarely have the abilitly to put our money towards something that will actually give us more than a tiny inexperienced team that brings out a game looking 10 years old at launch.  If you look at the dev bios there is some good experience here... it is a fair bet but a far better one than most we've seen the last ten years. So I put my money where my mouth is.  Will you?  Just my little challenge.

Originally posted by trash656
Are people still going on about graphics in video games? Who cares about graphics. Since when was graphics a defining role that made a MMORPG any good? It's about competant developers that know what they are doing, gameplay, mechanics, and content, among many other much more important things other than graphics. As far as the pledging money to the project, I think anyone pledging money to something they havin't even played yet is borderline stupid, but hey if you have the money and like throwing your money away go ahead, but please dont come back here posting a wall of text the size of china complaining that you got ripped off.

 

your the reason america games are the ugliest in the industry,

This game looks like another shitty ugly american game with crappy ass combat...  a 5 year old game out of korea looks 100x better.. western devs still haven't made anything like tera..

they are WAY behind, every mmo dies in the west

Originally posted by ricefarmer

Originally posted by trash656
Are people still going on about graphics in video games? Who cares about graphics. Since when was graphics a defining role that made a MMORPG any good? It's about competant developers that know what they are doing, gameplay, mechanics, and content, among many other much more important things other than graphics. As far as the pledging money to the project, I think anyone pledging money to something they havin't even played yet is borderline stupid, but hey if you have the money and like throwing your money away go ahead, but please dont come back here posting a wall of text the size of china complaining that you got ripped off.

 

your the reason america games are the ugliest in the industry,

 

This game looks like another shitty ugly american game with crappy ass combat...  a 5 year old game out of korea looks 100x better.. western devs still haven't made anything like tera..

 

they are WAY behind, every mmo dies in the west

 

Your a Bigot, and your basing your opinions just on what you like, but not on facts. So here is some facts for you. Tera Online is going free to play in feburary because they want to bring more people to the game, it is also not a sandbox game it's a themepark action game. EvE online, Starwars Galaxies PRE NGE are sandbox Games. No Sandbox MMO in the history of gaming was made to be a great MMO based off graphics. Sandbox MMO's are not created for you Anime kids that like to go prancing around in pink Tu-Tu's in Hellokitty online in a instanced world were you are set on a treadmill of choices. Were you pick a class and level up.

Archeage is a Korean Sandbox MMO which is a descent looking game. I've beta tested it, and no one is playing it because of how nice the graphics are but because the amount of things you can do in it, Grow crops, build houses, build ships .ect .ect Next time do some reading and maybe base things on facts instead of what you think something should be, because your just going to look like a jackass in front of everyone here, as I know most people here are sandbox gamers. I even find your name slitly offensive considering ricefarmer is directed at a chinese person.

Anyone who bashes Unity has no clue about any Engine, I have seen people bash Unreal, when 80% of the industry uses, it, and Unity 4 isis gonna be one of the widely used Game engines to date, I use it for games in the industry and it has come along ways, is it the best?? Depends what your doing... But it is one of the ones you will see more and more people use it.

I have seen bash Hero because of SWTOR, people think a game shows what a Game Engine can do, they are mistaken, its what the company wants to do, when it comes to this, and what support Dx 10, 11 GFX etc, so people/gamers need to educate them selfs on what makes graphics better and such, also when a game is in early beta, they are not final renders of what they will look like nor will they show you this because guess what needs to work first?? CODE/SCRIPTING,  all devs use place holders for things then add in the higher detail graphics later, because it is easier, why spent months years on something that you may not get working right??

Gamers need to understand this I see this with every game, and it annoys me, people need to understand how a development of a game works, most THINK they know, I used to think the same, before I had my degree  in Game Production, I played games for 30 years and thought I knew it all, when you go to develop a game after being a gamer with limited knowledge in the end you realize you do not know jack....So people educate your selfs a little atleast before you make your self look silly, this gets old every time I read a post in a new game, I wanna cry....

Originally posted by FelixMajor

How can people not understand that this is the tech demo footage and does not represent ANY WHERE close to what the graphics will look like at release?

 

Did they not read/listen to a word that was said in the video/conversation/blogs?

Anyway, this is my frist kickstart, so good luck!

 

Read my post above and this is a common gamer mistake, people see certain words and flip out and make them selfs look foolish...This has annoyed me and they do it with every new game, funny how that is, and this is another reason alot of newer devs or vet devs will NOT make MMO's, I do alot of research and talk to alot of newer Devs, myself included, I went and got a degree because I wanted to make better Mmo's but listening to other devs and gamers, I no longer want to, because the way people act, there are smaller scale games that devs can make faster, make more money and less whining, and still have there passion.

I had written in the last 15 years 3 games, and they all where MMo scale, and I even did alot of work, worked with smaller teams, and I make them all smaller scale because after getting my education and the older I get, I see people really give devs no respect do why should we make you people games??? I will not kill myself to make a great game for people who give no respect, and when I say people , I mean the bad bunch because I know there are some great people that are gamers, but its sad how alot spoil it, and people complain we hardly see games made by gamers anymore, well this is why, according to alot of people that I have talked to that are becoming DEVS and have been, I been researching this for the past 10 years in school and out...They used to call me at school Mr. MMo because I knew alot and I was one of few that wanted to make them.

Now not so much because of what I see on these forums, why should I bother, i'm a part of a team that is making an MMo, can't say who because I get 100k emails, but I can tell you think you never know who is a dev and who reads what and why we do not see the games we all want... Alot of gamers try and make there own games and fail because realize WOW this is hard work and it is, when I see posts that say the devs such this is easy and that I laugh, and say well make it your self and try, because nothing is easy in Game Design/Production its hard work and a Real Career....

Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Originally posted by FelixMajor

How can people not understand that this is the tech demo footage and does not represent ANY WHERE close to what the graphics will look like at release?

 

Did they not read/listen to a word that was said in the video/conversation/blogs?

Anyway, this is my frist kickstart, so good luck!

 

Read my post above and this is a common gamer mistake, people see certain words and flip out and make them selfs look foolish...This has annoyed me and they do it with every new game, funny how that is, and this is another reason alot of newer devs or vet devs will NOT make MMO's, I do alot of research and talk to alot of newer Devs, myself included, I went and got a degree because I wanted to make better Mmo's but listening to other devs and gamers, I no longer want to, because the way people act, there are smaller scale games that devs can make faster, make more money and less whining, and still have there passion.

 

I had written in the last 15 years 3 games, and they all where MMo scale, and I even did alot of work, worked with smaller teams, and I make them all smaller scale because after getting my education and the older I get, I see people really give devs no respect do why should we make you people games??? I will not kill myself to make a great game for people who give no respect, and when I say people , I mean the bad bunch because I know there are some great people that are gamers, but its sad how alot spoil it, and people complain we hardly see games made by gamers anymore, well this is why, according to alot of people that I have talked to that are becoming DEVS and have been, I been researching this for the past 10 years in school and out...They used to call me at school Mr. MMo because I knew alot and I was one of few that wanted to make them.

 

Now not so much because of what I see on these forums, why should I bother, i'm a part of a team that is making an MMo, can't say who because I get 100k emails, but I can tell you think you never know who is a dev and who reads what and why we do not see the games we all want... Alot of gamers try and make there own games and fail because realize WOW this is hard work and it is, when I see posts that say the devs such this is easy and that I laugh, and say well make it your self and try, because nothing is easy in Game Design/Production its hard work and a Real Career....

That is why we need to see the gameplay instead of write up.

They should atleast complete 50 - 70% of the game and show us their gameplay then do a kickstarter.

Not asking for money when they are not even 10% completed.

FFS every salesman can do an awesome write up but you wonder whether they can do the stuff they talk about.