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  Permadude

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1/11/13 7:56:45 AM#41
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by dalewj

I totally agree the industry has gone the wrong way.  I am playing Indie games, they aren't part of the industry and for Sandbox MMORPGs (my thing) I am very happy.

 

--Dale>

The problem is - you are a minority of the players not a majority. Games cost moeny to develop and to cater to a few whiney individuals just doesn't make GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.

His post was anything but whiney; yours however...

  KoreanSoWhat

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1/11/13 7:59:04 AM#42
Originally posted by jammerben87

Not sure if anoyone else picked up on this first OP:

 

You had a quick rant there about current MMO's being themepark garbage, yet you mention EVE online which is anything but themepark, and if you are playing it as a themepark then you are missing out on sooooo much. Seriously you need to give that game another go. Eve is one of the least themeparky games around.

No one play games like Eve as themepark.. people are not that dumb.

THemepark <-- one extreme end of stupidness

TotalPvPdedication <-- another extreme end of stupidness

Both fail in it's own way.

That's why there are only certain amount of crowd in those games never get bigger.

Oh yeah I played EvE too. It's boring. Typical original UO style PvP and that's all it offers, NOTHING more. Just killing each other game that costs lots of time and energy before you can enter the real combat.

  KoreanSoWhat

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1/11/13 8:00:47 AM#43
Originally posted by Permadude
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by dalewj

I totally agree the industry has gone the wrong way.  I am playing Indie games, they aren't part of the industry and for Sandbox MMORPGs (my thing) I am very happy.

 

--Dale>

The problem is - you are a minority of the players not a majority. Games cost moeny to develop and to cater to a few whiney individuals just doesn't make GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.

His post was anything but whiney; yours however...

Yeah he's masturbating and even worse he's ejacuating on the wrong side.

  Wicoa

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1/11/13 8:01:37 AM#44
Hmm defiance? FPS Hyrbid MMO + TV show?
  Zethlis

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Posts: 15

 
OP  1/11/13 8:08:05 AM#45
Originally posted by KoreanSoWhat
Originally posted by Permadude
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by dalewj

I totally agree the industry has gone the wrong way.  I am playing Indie games, they aren't part of the industry and for Sandbox MMORPGs (my thing) I am very happy.

 

--Dale>

The problem is - you are a minority of the players not a majority. Games cost moeny to develop and to cater to a few whiney individuals just doesn't make GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.

His post was anything but whiney; yours however...

Yeah he's masturbating and even worse he's ejacuating on the wrong side.

Yeah bros it's perfect business sense for a developer that doesn't give a damn about their audience and just wants to cash out before they shut down their servers inevitably... May be good business sense but it sure as hell isn't popular and I have a feeling the founders of BioWare stepping down after SWTOR failed was a bit more than a coincidence.

@Wicoa: Signed up for the beta :D

  Acvivm

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1/11/13 8:09:49 AM#46
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Zethlis

 Why has the MMORPG industry gone from the most creative and influential to this cynical cancerous cyst?

It hasn't. You are either unaware of how it has evolved or you're one of the people that doesn't accept the evolution as being part of the genre.

It's ridiculous how marginal the advancement of MMOs has become.

What are the advances you're expecting?What do you feel is lagging behind?

 Right now I'm counting the days to when Embers of Caerus will be released and I won't have to worry about horrible MMOs anymore, but that's a good 3 or so years away.

That's a big part of the genre's problems - unreasonable expectation from the consumer. There is no reason to believe that EoC will be some saving grace of the industry. There is no reason to believe it will be stable or that it will deliver on all its features. There's very little reason to beleive that if it ships at all it will be even a shell of what you expect it to be.

That's nothing against EoC, indie devs, fantasy titles or anything else. That's making a statement based on history and fact. But you've already put them on the pedestal, and possible even already given them some money.

The industry is doing fine. It's entirely possible you're just better suited for other genres.

"That's a big part of the genre's problems - unreasonable expectation from the consumer." There you have it, couldn't have said it any better than that Loktofeit is right on the money.

  MMO players want real worlds, real crafting, real npcs with their own lives and personalities, combat so real and challenging that it feels like you are there on the battlefield and it just isn't going to happen. Players expectations are well beyond what technology and developers have the ability to create right now. You say you don't want a WoW clone, well there are tons of games out there that are as far from WoW as WoW is from Excitebike. You don't want to play any of those well then quite frankly that is your problem but to expect the industry to start throwing millions and years of development time at a genre that has shown to have very little interest among mmo players is just nonsense.

  There are so many games in the market right now that its absolutely flooded and if anything I see new MMOs having an even harder time breaking into the industry then they ever did before. After 20+ years of gaming (10 of that in MMOs) I have come to expect nothing from developers because they will make the game they want to make not the game we demand of them. Just find a game and enjoy what it has to offer and if that is not enough....move on.

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  Arclan

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1/11/13 10:00:03 AM#47


Originally posted by MyTabbycat
Radical idea! Don't play MMO's for a while. Play single player games. I know, it's crazy, right? But it sounds like you are pretty set on the opinion that the current MMO's on the market are crap. So save yourself some time and money and just play something else.

Yes that is exactly what millions of players, like myself, are doing. And explains the depression the MMO industry is suffering through right now. But by all means, keep impersonating an ostrich and pretend it's the customers, not the suppliers, that are the problem.

Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
video game company layoffs are twice the national average.

  Zethlis

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Joined: 5/14/11
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OP  1/11/13 10:18:53 AM#48
Originally posted by Arclan

 


Originally posted by MyTabbycat
Radical idea! Don't play MMO's for a while. Play single player games. I know, it's crazy, right? But it sounds like you are pretty set on the opinion that the current MMO's on the market are crap. So save yourself some time and money and just play something else.

 

Yes that is exactly what millions of players, like myself, are doing. And explains the depression the MMO industry is suffering through right now. But by all means, keep impersonating an ostrich and pretend it's the customers, not the suppliers, that are the problem.

Thank you :D

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

1/11/13 11:39:38 AM#49

Industry is doing fine............. love when people say that.

If you look at the 381 mmorpg's released this past 5 years, 80% of them have failed completely. Another 15% were forced to go F2P to attract freebie players in hopes some may buy from their shops. Only about 5% of those games actualy made any headway in being a great mmorpg.

Yeah sure does look like the industry is doing well. Have you noticed how many companies went belly up also this past 5 years or sold out to another company? I wouldnt call that "doing fine".

The truth is games are all the same, no one wants to pay for a gme they just canceled with another title. They lack features, in depth gaming to keep their players going, content is slow and they wont provide tools for player created content, and the story only get you so far ...what a month before it dries up? I know im 2/3rds from the end in tsw and just bought the game 3 weeks ago :/

People want story, want led around, want things given to them free, want everything easy and like a single player console. Then come on here and complain how bad their choice of gamestyle is and say the game itself sucks.

The industry is in a rut and just pumps out the same cookie cutter games over and over with new skins. because the last 5 themeparks i have tried all felt the exact same.

MMORPG's lack a lot in todays industry, you may not notice it because you are new to the genre or over time the deletions of game mechanics and features have been obmitted gradualy over time. Now they make such a big deal about petty stuff that does not promote longevity or creativity.

  KoreanSoWhat

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1/11/13 11:43:11 AM#50
Originally posted by Onomas

Industry is doing fine............. love when people say that.

If you look at the 381 mmorpg's released this past 5 years, 80% of them have failed completely. Another 15% were forced to go F2P to attract freebie players in hopes some may buy from their shops. Only about 5% of those games actualy made any headway in being a great mmorpg.

Yeah sure does look like the industry is doing well. Have you noticed how many companies went belly up also this past 5 years or sold out to another company? I wouldnt call that "doing fine".

The truth is games are all the same, no one wants to pay for a gme they just canceled with another title. They lack features, in depth gaming to keep their players going, content is slow and they wont provide tools for player created content, and the story only get you so far ...what a month before it dries up? I know im 2/3rds from the end in tsw and just bought the game 3 weeks ago :/

People want story, want led around, want things given to them free, want everything easy and like a single player console. Then come on here and complain how bad their choice of gamestyle is and say the game itself sucks.

The industry is in a rut and just pumps out the same cookie cutter games over and over with new skins. because the last 5 themeparks i have tried all felt the exact same.

MMORPG's lack a lot in todays industry, you may not notice it because you are new to the genre or over time the deletions of game mechanics and features have been obmitted gradualy over time. Now they make such a big deal about petty stuff that does not promote longevity or creativity.

He says industry is doing fine only cus he's getting his paycheck for his cleaning job.

  Maephisto

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1/11/13 12:33:10 PM#51

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

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1/11/13 12:35:00 PM#52
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

  SnarlingWolf

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1/11/13 12:42:08 PM#53

Asheron's Call 2, that is all.

 

I do suggest trying it out. For $10 you can try out both AC1 and AC2 for a month. If you don't like either it was a small cost. If you like one or both, well then you're a happy person.

  Maephisto

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1/11/13 12:57:27 PM#54
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

Ok, i'll bite.

I posit that the OP is a bad gamer (spoiled), based on his post. 

Lets assume two things:

  1. OP is an average gamer with responsibilities outside of gaming.  He/she plays games on an average of 20 hrs a week.
  2. Lets take "personal opinion" out of the equation. (ceteris paribus)
OP stated he went from GW2 to Eve Online.   In order to firmly grasp GW2 and all the mechanics of its combat system, I would say a player would have to play for approx 2 months.  That includes leveling to 80 and playing at that level for some time.  OP didnt enjoy GW2 and moved to Eve.  The amount of time required to fully grasp Eve is off the charts.  Taking "personal opinion" ** off the table, the OP didnt play Eve anywhere close to the amount of time it would require to form a complete opinion of the game.  I doubt he/she was even able to get to lvl 3 mission running by that time, we arent even mentioning PvP yet.
 
You cant cry "bad game design" when you dont play the game long enough to understand it.   I think it is just popular to say that all MMO's are trash/garbage instead of taking the time to become proficient at them.  There is a portion of the community here that will never be satisfied with any MMO, regardless of its merits.
 
Come on, you cannot say Eve has bad game design.
 
**  it is understandable for some people to start playing eve and immediately become overwhelmed/intimidated by everything you have to learn.  Lots of people play Eve for a shirt period of time and never go back to it.  I can understand why.  I was never able to get far into eve, although I enjoyed it greatly.

  Dakcenturi

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1/11/13 1:02:15 PM#55

Want something new and not in it just for the money, and not trying to be a WoW killer?

 

Check out Pathfinder Online! They are running a Kickstarter now to advance their release date by a year.

 

 

  vandal5627

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1/11/13 1:03:18 PM#56
Originally posted by Maephisto
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

Ok, i'll bite.

I posit that the OP is a bad gamer (spoiled), based on his post. 

Lets assume two things:

  1. OP is an average gamer with responsibilities outside of gaming.  He/she plays games on an average of 20 hrs a week.
  2. Lets take "personal opinion" out of the equation. (ceteris paribus)
OP stated he went from GW2 to Eve Online.   In order to firmly grasp GW2 and all the mechanics of its combat system, I would say a player would have to play for approx 2 months.  That includes leveling to 80 and playing at that level for some time.  OP didnt enjoy GW2 and moved to Eve.  The amount of time required to fully grasp Eve is off the charts.  Taking "personal opinion" ** off the table, the OP didnt play Eve anywhere close to the amount of time it would require to form a complete opinion of the game.  I doubt he/she was even able to get to lvl 3 mission running by that time, we arent even mentioning PvP yet.
 
You cant cry "bad game design" when you dont play the game long enough to understand it.   I think it is just popular to say that all MMO's are trash/garbage instead of taking the time to become proficient at them.  There is a portion of the community here that will never be satisfied with any MMO, regardless of its merits.
 
Come on, you cannot say Eve has bad game design.
 
**  it is understandable for some people to start playing eve and immediately become overwhelmed/intimidated by everything you have to learn.  Lots of people play Eve for a shirt period of time and never go back to it.  I can understand why.  I was never able to get far into eve, although I enjoyed it greatly.

 Every game is at least a bad design to someone, just saying.  If not, we'd all be playing the same game.

  Distopia

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1/11/13 1:07:14 PM#57
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Maephisto
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

Ok, i'll bite.

I posit that the OP is a bad gamer (spoiled), based on his post. 

Lets assume two things:

  1. OP is an average gamer with responsibilities outside of gaming.  He/she plays games on an average of 20 hrs a week.
  2. Lets take "personal opinion" out of the equation. (ceteris paribus)
OP stated he went from GW2 to Eve Online.   In order to firmly grasp GW2 and all the mechanics of its combat system, I would say a player would have to play for approx 2 months.  That includes leveling to 80 and playing at that level for some time.  OP didnt enjoy GW2 and moved to Eve.  The amount of time required to fully grasp Eve is off the charts.  Taking "personal opinion" ** off the table, the OP didnt play Eve anywhere close to the amount of time it would require to form a complete opinion of the game.  I doubt he/she was even able to get to lvl 3 mission running by that time, we arent even mentioning PvP yet.
 
You cant cry "bad game design" when you dont play the game long enough to understand it.   I think it is just popular to say that all MMO's are trash/garbage instead of taking the time to become proficient at them.  There is a portion of the community here that will never be satisfied with any MMO, regardless of its merits.
 
Come on, you cannot say Eve has bad game design.
 
**  it is understandable for some people to start playing eve and immediately become overwhelmed/intimidated by everything you have to learn.  Lots of people play Eve for a shirt period of time and never go back to it.  I can understand why.  I was never able to get far into eve, although I enjoyed it greatly.

 Every game is at least a bad design to someone, just saying.  If not, we'd all be playing the same game.

There's a big difference between "bad design" and preference.

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  mmoguy43

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Joined: 3/31/09
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1/11/13 1:07:23 PM#58

Anyone that says "bad game design" probably doesn't know a single thing about design. It should be read as "game design that isn't for me". Such knee jerk responses don't come from somone that actually understands the game's design.

One person's "badly designed" game would be exactly what another person wants to play.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

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  Gengele

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Joined: 1/08/13
Posts: 9

1/11/13 1:13:14 PM#59
Originally posted by Maephisto
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

Ok, i'll bite.

I posit that the OP is a bad gamer (spoiled), based on his post. 

Lets assume two things:

  1. OP is an average gamer with responsibilities outside of gaming.  He/she plays games on an average of 20 hrs a week.
  2. Lets take "personal opinion" out of the equation. (ceteris paribus)
OP stated he went from GW2 to Eve Online.   In order to firmly grasp GW2 and all the mechanics of its combat system, I would say a player would have to play for approx 2 months.  That includes leveling to 80 and playing at that level for some time.  OP didnt enjoy GW2 and moved to Eve.  The amount of time required to fully grasp Eve is off the charts.  Taking "personal opinion" ** off the table, the OP didnt play Eve anywhere close to the amount of time it would require to form a complete opinion of the game.  I doubt he/she was even able to get to lvl 3 mission running by that time, we arent even mentioning PvP yet.
 
You cant cry "bad game design" when you dont play the game long enough to understand it.   I think it is just popular to say that all MMO's are trash/garbage instead of taking the time to become proficient at them.  There is a portion of the community here that will never be satisfied with any MMO, regardless of its merits.
 
Come on, you cannot say Eve has bad game design.
 
**  it is understandable for some people to start playing eve and immediately become overwhelmed/intimidated by everything you have to learn.  Lots of people play Eve for a shirt period of time and never go back to it.  I can understand why.  I was never able to get far into eve, although I enjoyed it greatly.

How does it take 2 months to grasp GW2? The game is exactly the same at level 20 and level 80, except that you can have more traits active at the same time. The PvP you can jump into right away. You don't have to eat a whole meal to know what it tastes like, and GW2 tastes like crap from the start.

About EVE, yes it can have bad game design. It's basically a textbased game with illustrations. There is no real gameplay to speak off. Combat is rightclick, lock on, leftclick your weapon. Mostly you're just using autopilot to travel between locations. Just because it takes time to do everything in the game doesn't make it deep and complicated you know.

  Maephisto

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Joined: 2/15/12
Posts: 653

1/11/13 1:20:34 PM#60
Originally posted by Gengele
Originally posted by Maephisto
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Maephisto

The common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.

 

or bad game design.

Ok, i'll bite.

I posit that the OP is a bad gamer (spoiled), based on his post. 

Lets assume two things:

  1. OP is an average gamer with responsibilities outside of gaming.  He/she plays games on an average of 20 hrs a week.
  2. Lets take "personal opinion" out of the equation. (ceteris paribus)
OP stated he went from GW2 to Eve Online.   In order to firmly grasp GW2 and all the mechanics of its combat system, I would say a player would have to play for approx 2 months.  That includes leveling to 80 and playing at that level for some time.  OP didnt enjoy GW2 and moved to Eve.  The amount of time required to fully grasp Eve is off the charts.  Taking "personal opinion" ** off the table, the OP didnt play Eve anywhere close to the amount of time it would require to form a complete opinion of the game.  I doubt he/she was even able to get to lvl 3 mission running by that time, we arent even mentioning PvP yet.
 
You cant cry "bad game design" when you dont play the game long enough to understand it.   I think it is just popular to say that all MMO's are trash/garbage instead of taking the time to become proficient at them.  There is a portion of the community here that will never be satisfied with any MMO, regardless of its merits.
 
Come on, you cannot say Eve has bad game design.
 
**  it is understandable for some people to start playing eve and immediately become overwhelmed/intimidated by everything you have to learn.  Lots of people play Eve for a shirt period of time and never go back to it.  I can understand why.  I was never able to get far into eve, although I enjoyed it greatly.

How does it take 2 months to grasp GW2? The game is exactly the same at level 20 and level 80, except that you can have more traits active at the same time. The PvP you can jump into right away. You don't have to eat a whole meal to know what it tastes like, and GW2 tastes like crap from the start.

About EVE, yes it can have bad game design. It's basically a textbased game with illustrations. There is no real gameplay to speak off. Combat is rightclick, lock on, leftclick your weapon. Mostly you're just using autopilot to travel between locations. Just because it takes time to do everything in the game doesn't make it deep and complicated you know.

You should write a blog.  Your ability to understand a game and summarize it, is legendary.

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