I started with Runescape. Then WoW. Then SWG (Wasn't THAT bad). Then Tabula Rasa. Then Warhammer. Then SWTOR which I waited for every single day since I heard of it being worked on in 2009, busted my balls. Then Wurm. Then GW2. Then EVE. And after that they stopped being worth remembering game titles. Why has the MMORPG industry gone from the most creative and influential to this cynical cancerous cyst? What are CEOs thinking when they make a business plan that comes down to - copy WoW and cash out as much as we can before we close the doors.

It's ridiculous how marginal the advancement of MMOs has become. I know I'm not alone in these feelings. Right now I'm counting the days to when Embers of Caerus will be released and I won't have to worry about horrible MMOs anymore, but that's a good 3 or so years away. I need something to sate my appetite and my appetite isn't end game raids and pvp. MMOs shouldn't HAVE an end game. You should never get to the point where you can't even think of anything else to do because you've already done it, but this is the MMO market of today.

Are there any innovative MMOs that are either already out there or very close to release that I haven't heard about? Surfing the list of 600 sum MMOs would take a good month. I'm about to abandon MMOs entirely because I've just lost so much faith in the genre.

HALP PLZ

Originally posted by Kaminaxius

From what you wrote it sounds like you want a less WoW-copied MMO with more freedom and other incentives than mindless raiding

 

..i'd suggest you to try Darkfall:Unholy Wars when it launches (hopefully in less than a month or two) and perhaps Mortal Online which is already out and went free to play but has alot of flaws however it's still fun nontheless (I would recommend waiting for Darkfall:Unholy Wars which is currently in very early beta stage). Both of these mmo's are completely freedom-based mmo's this is an unofficial trailer of the first Darkfall game which basically sums up what Darkfall Unholy Wars will be about aswellt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bYYT6Wg3Gg

I heard darkfall fell short of many people's expectations

You say that todays games are garbage when compared with  Runescape WOW and Warhammer.

I would say your tastes have changed  not the industry.

Originally posted by Zethlis

Originally posted by Kaminaxius

From what you wrote it sounds like you want a less WoW-copied MMO with more freedom and other incentives than mindless raiding

 

..i'd suggest you to try Darkfall:Unholy Wars when it launches (hopefully in less than a month or two) and perhaps Mortal Online which is already out and went free to play but has alot of flaws however it's still fun nontheless (I would recommend waiting for Darkfall:Unholy Wars which is currently in very early beta stage). Both of these mmo's are completely freedom-based mmo's this is an unofficial trailer of the first Darkfall game which basically sums up what Darkfall Unholy Wars will be about aswellt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bYYT6Wg3Gg

I heard darkfall fell short of many people's expectations

Thats true, they couldn't live up to the extreme expectations that was set for the game..That doesn't mean it sucked. It was still the best MMO i've ever played and was still a success for the developers (more than 350k copies sold from a team with less than 10 employees). Now they have upped the developer team to about 60 and if they learned from the flaws of the first this version will be the best

Youre asking for an alternative to the wow clones and these are the only ones that exist.

Originally posted by Muppetier

You say that todays games are garbage when compared with  Runescape WOW and Warhammer.

 

I would say your tastes have changed  not the industry.

 

 

Did you miss the entire point of my post? The entire point was that the industry HASN'T changed.

Originally posted by MyTabbycat
Radical idea! Don't play MMO's for a while. Play single player games. I know, it's crazy, right? But it sounds like you are pretty set on the opinion that the current MMO's on the market are crap. So save yourself some time and money and just play something else.

I have but the one thing MMOs are supposed to have that no other game has is longevity. I've played a significant amount of single player games such as the ME trilogy and Dragon Age and they are definitely much more fun than any MMO I've played, but the deal breaker for that fun is that it ends.

Originally posted by Zethlis

Originally posted by Muppetier

You say that todays games are garbage when compared with  Runescape WOW and Warhammer.

 

I would say your tastes have changed  not the industry.

 

 

Did you miss the entire point of my post? The entire point was that the industry HASN'T changed.

Your point was that the industry has gone from creative and influential to garbage. My point (probably not clearly stated) was that todays MMO's are way above the quality of Runecape WOW and Warhammer.

It's not out yet, but the only game on the horizon that is getting me excited is Pathfinder Online.  A sandbox built by a mix of MMO and RPG developers.  Folks that have their roots in decades of actual RPGs... combined with developers from Eve...

It's the first game I have Kickstarted and it's actually the first game I pre-ordered in years (since that disaster of Mortal Online).

Runescape.. if that i s what you comparing todays MMO to and caling them garbage..well you should be the last person OP from whom i should take any advice regarding quality if modern MMOS.

Runescape..lol

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Runescape.. if that i s what you comparing todays MMO to and caling them garbage..well you should be the last person OP from whom i should take any advice regarding quality if modern MMOS.

Runescape..lol

I put those in chronological order for a reason. Sorry that I didn't expect such incompetence from readers as to have to give a lesson in literature.

@Slapshot: That sounds a lot like Embers of Caerus and it's coming out right around the same time but their budget is MUCH larger than EoC's. But if they don't get $300k in 3 days they aren't going to be getting a single dollar of that million.

Originally posted by XAPGames
... try other genres?

As I've previously stated I stick to MMOs for their longevity

Originally posted by Zethlis

Originally posted by XAPGames
... try other genres?

As I've previously stated I stick to MMOs for their longevity

An MMO with endgame content has no longevity.

which rules out every themepark based wow-clone

so thats just going to leave you with sandbox style games

but you didnt like the sandbox when you played in it, as stated in your OP.

Age of Wushu most innovative MO,I've seen in years all I can say is try it check for the totally free Wushu posts on the forum.

But be warned it's deep and the translation is a bit dodgy so if you try NA get in a guild,I'm on Open Beta Russian servers just geting my head around the facets of the game until Wulin goes to Beta.

Originally posted by Kaminaxius

Originally posted by Zethlis

Originally posted by Kaminaxius

From what you wrote it sounds like you want a less WoW-copied MMO with more freedom and other incentives than mindless raiding

 

..i'd suggest you to try Darkfall:Unholy Wars when it launches (hopefully in less than a month or two) and perhaps Mortal Online which is already out and went free to play but has alot of flaws however it's still fun nontheless (I would recommend waiting for Darkfall:Unholy Wars which is currently in very early beta stage). Both of these mmo's are completely freedom-based mmo's this is an unofficial trailer of the first Darkfall game which basically sums up what Darkfall Unholy Wars will be about aswellt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bYYT6Wg3Gg

I heard darkfall fell short of many people's expectations

Thats true, they couldn't live up to the extreme expectations that was set for the game..That doesn't mean it sucked. It was still the best MMO i've ever played and was still a success for the developers (more than 350k copies sold from a team with less than 10 employees). Now they have upped the developer team to about 60 and if they learned from the flaws of the first this version will be the best

Youre asking for an alternative to the wow clones and these are the only ones that exist.

DF had so much potential that wasn't realized due to the community the played it. DF, during development, was promising to be what all sandbox fans were waiting for since SWG experienced the NGE. Instead, it was turned into a PvP arena by the community. The developers spent a great deal of time creating the world, and the backstory behind all the locations and areas. I remember reading each installment the developers released of the game lore as the months and years passed by. Yet, the only part the community cared about was the FFA PvP. That's why, being a sandbox fan and waiting years for DF to release, I ended up passing the game up. The sad fact is that players just don't have the imagination or patience to really take advantage of a sandbox game. I had similar hopes for Mortal Online, and met the same type of community. Just because there's FFA PvP in a game, doesn't mean the community has to turn that into the main feature of the game. An imaginitive, more intelligent and patient player would use FFA PvP as a tool, not the main attraction.

Originally posted by Zethlis

I started with Runescape. Then WoW. Then SWG (Wasn't THAT bad). Then Tabula Rasa. Then Warhammer. Then SWTOR which I waited for every single day since I heard of it being worked on in 2009, busted my balls. Then Wurm. Then GW2. Then EVE. And after that they stopped being worth remembering game titles. Why has the MMORPG industry gone from the most creative and influential to this cynical cancerous cyst? What are CEOs thinking when they make a business plan that comes down to - copy WoW and cash out as much as we can before we close the doors.

It's ridiculous how marginal the advancement of MMOs has become. I know I'm not alone in these feelings. Right now I'm counting the days to when Embers of Caerus will be released and I won't have to worry about horrible MMOs anymore, but that's a good 3 or so years away. I need something to sate my appetite and my appetite isn't end game raids and pvp. MMOs shouldn't HAVE an end game. You should never get to the point where you can't even think of anything else to do because you've already done it, but this is the MMO market of today.

Are there any innovative MMOs that are either already out there or very close to release that I haven't heard about? Surfing the list of 600 sum MMOs would take a good month. I'm about to abandon MMOs entirely because I've just lost so much faith in the genre.

HALP PLZ

HAHAHAHA

Hmm.. where have I heard that before. "MMO's suck, I'm waiting for MMO X that will be the mother of all MMO's and then come crying to the boards about how MMO X failed but now you have found a new MMO Y that will be the next big thing". Rinse and repeat.

The problem isn't with the industry. It's you to be honest.

You are being overly negative and you need to unplug and get out and do something else for a while.

Originally posted by darker70

Age of Wushu most innovative MO,I've seen in years all I can say is try it check for the totally free Wushu posts on the forum.

But be warned it's deep and the translation is a bit dodgy so if you try NA get in a guild,I'm on Open Beta Russian servers just geting my head around the facets of the game until Wulin goes to Beta.

Yeah I tried the 10 hour trial or whatever and it was pretty good except by the time the trial was over I still wasn't familiar with the game AT ALL lol. I might check it out after beta but from what I experienced it will take very long to get used to