Simple pole to see if you think this is going to be a good idea for either fans of EVE and or Dust.

I think it's a really interesting idea. You can say what you like about CCP, but they're doing the one thing that everyone says they want, and trying something original and new.

Will Dust work out? I don't know. If it fails, it won't take EVE down with it, so it's a no-lose experiment from my point of view. If it succeeds, then we'll have a genuinely new type of gaming experience available to us, and I'll bet that other game publishers will hasten to copy it.

As such Dust represents a potential answer to the question of how to combine different playstyles into a single game. "Hardcore" and "casual" have differing priorities, and it's tough to accomodate one without compromising the other. Seperating out the "casuals" into a console game that still links in to the original game means that you can keep EVE as hardcore and long-term and meta-gamey as ever, but you can still get your buddy who just wants to fire up a game and have some quick, accessible action involved with your game experience.

It's a good idea, but on totally wrong platform. It should be on PC. CCP is nuts for thinking the net effect on a PC version would be less money for them. People who love EVE would still play EVE. People who love FPS games would play DUST. People who love both (like me) would probably play both.

Frankly, the guy at CCP who figured that there are a lot of people who play EVE because of the lore, but would rather play an FPS, should be fired.

Originally posted by tom_gore

It's a good idea, but on totally wrong platform. It should be on PC. CCP is nuts for thinking the net effect on a PC version would be less money for them. People who love EVE would still play EVE. People who love FPS games would play DUST. People who love both (like me) would probably play both.

Frankly, the guy at CCP who figured that there are a lot of people who play EVE because of the lore, but would rather play an FPS, should be fired.

 

You're aware that Dust was substantially paid for by development money from Sony, right? That money buys them a PS3 exclusive launch, which means it's only available on the PS3 when it launches, and then for 12 months after. On the 366th day, CCP are free to launch it on other platforms, and I'm betting that they will release it on the PC.

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by tom_gore

It's a good idea, but on totally wrong platform. It should be on PC. CCP is nuts for thinking the net effect on a PC version would be less money for them. People who love EVE would still play EVE. People who love FPS games would play DUST. People who love both (like me) would probably play both.

Frankly, the guy at CCP who figured that there are a lot of people who play EVE because of the lore, but would rather play an FPS, should be fired.

 

 

You're aware that Dust was substantially paid for by development money from Sony, right? That money buys them a PS3 exclusive launch, which means it's only available on the PS3 when it launches, and then for 12 months after. On the 366th day, CCP are free to launch it on other platforms, and I'm betting that they will release it on the PC.

Yes I'm aware of that and it's still effectively taking a piss on your most important customerbase. CCP are good at that, though.

In 12 months most of the players on PS3 have long forgotten about DUST. Very few shooters on consoles have a long lifespan.

double post, MMORPG playing tricks with me

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by tom_gore

It's a good idea, but on totally wrong platform. It should be on PC. CCP is nuts for thinking the net effect on a PC version would be less money for them. People who love EVE would still play EVE. People who love FPS games would play DUST. People who love both (like me) would probably play both.

Frankly, the guy at CCP who figured that there are a lot of people who play EVE because of the lore, but would rather play an FPS, should be fired.

 

 

You're aware that Dust was substantially paid for by development money from Sony, right? That money buys them a PS3 exclusive launch, which means it's only available on the PS3 when it launches, and then for 12 months after. On the 366th day, CCP are free to launch it on other platforms, and I'm betting that they will release it on the PC.

Yes I'm aware of that and it's still effectively taking a piss on your most important customerbase. CCP are good at that, though.

In 12 months most of the players on PS3 have long forgotten about DUST. Very few shooters on consoles have a long lifespan.

 

CCP have every right to diversify their product range and expand their customer base. It would be criminally irresponsible of them not to do so.

You're making assumptions about PS3 players, but until now, what choice have they had but to play short lifespan shooters? There haven't been any shooters that supported a long-lifespan model. Dust has long term character advancement, long term persistence, long term metagaming, and a long term development plan. Maybe there's no call for such a thing, or maybe there's untapped demand. Since Dust is F2P, there's no cost overhead of maintaining an account, continuing to accumulate SP at the background rate, and coming back to it whenever you fancy doing so.

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by tom_gore

It's a good idea, but on totally wrong platform. It should be on PC. CCP is nuts for thinking the net effect on a PC version would be less money for them. People who love EVE would still play EVE. People who love FPS games would play DUST. People who love both (like me) would probably play both.

Frankly, the guy at CCP who figured that there are a lot of people who play EVE because of the lore, but would rather play an FPS, should be fired.

 

 

You're aware that Dust was substantially paid for by development money from Sony, right? That money buys them a PS3 exclusive launch, which means it's only available on the PS3 when it launches, and then for 12 months after. On the 366th day, CCP are free to launch it on other platforms, and I'm betting that they will release it on the PC.

 I'm betting that dust will have failed so bad by that time it will be all but forgotten. there are better shooters out there. Most eve players are not exactly the shooter crowd, and most of the shooter crowd could care less about having a limited interaction with Eve.

I'm not au fait with the "shooter crowd", but plenty of EVE players seem to be quite interested in Dust.

Interested enough to put lots of energy into ceaselessly whining that it's not on the PC, anyway ;)

Originally posted by Isturi
Only thing tha worries me is now Sony will have its greedy little hands in the EVE universe and for some reason SWTOR keeps coming to mind. I hope not.

EA made SWTOR, Sony did SWG.

I really like their vision, and it opens up the universe of New Eden even more.

For the PS3-debate...

The PS3 unifies the hardware and it drastically reduces hackin and cheating. That's exactly what's needed in a competitive MMO-FPS. Additionally Dust514 has native USB-keyboard and mouse-support :hint:

With the current retail-price of $200 it's actually a nobrainer to buy yourself a PS3 as a HTPC. It has all the streaming-services like Hulu available, comes with a BluRay-player and you can aswell play alot of funny games with it. That's a dirt-cheap offer imho.

Originally posted by Yalexy

I really like their vision, and it opens up the universe of New Eden even more.

For the PS3-debate...

The PS3 unifies the hardware and it drastically reduces hackin and cheating. That's exactly what's needed in a competitive MMO-FPS. Additionally Dust514 has native USB-keyboard and mouse-support :hint:

With the current retail-price of $200 it's actually a nobrainer to buy yourself a PS3 as a HTPC. It has all the streaming-services like Hulu available, comes with a BluRay-player and you can aswell play alot of funny games with it. That's a dirt-cheap offer imho.

Sony actually invested $$$ for CCP to make DUST 514.

It is a pure business transaction why DUST 514 is on PS3 (and most likely PS4) and I wouldn't expect a non-PS version anytime soon.

Originally posted by winter

 I'm betting that dust will have failed so bad by that time it will be all but forgotten. there are better shooters out there. Most eve players are not exactly the shooter crowd, and most of the shooter crowd could care less about having a limited interaction with Eve.

I am betting you are dead wrong.  I think they have a potential hit on thier hands here.

It plays very well even if you have zero EVE knowledge and just wanna pop heads. That there is a depth to discover too is just an added bonus. A free, good fps on the PS3? I think it will have a following, a potential large oe at that.

Lets meet here again in 365 days and see who was right. :)

think it is interesting but am curious how CCP think they are gonna get players -non-eve players-  (and keep them) to play this sci-fi shooter above the regular shooters that top the charts for years.

Should that game fail after a while, is it easy to detach that Dust thing from the space game...

Originally posted by hfztt

Originally posted by winter

 I'm betting that dust will have failed so bad by that time it will be all but forgotten. there are better shooters out there. Most eve players are not exactly the shooter crowd, and most of the shooter crowd could care less about having a limited interaction with Eve.

I am betting you are dead wrong.  I think they have a potential hit on thier hands here.

It plays very well even if you have zero EVE knowledge and just wanna pop heads. That there is a depth to discover too is just an added bonus. A free, good fps on the PS3? I think it will have a following, a potential large oe at that.

Lets meet here again in 365 days and see who was right. :)

As an Xbox 360 owner, I see your point.  If this were released on Microsoft's console instead of Sony's, then it could have been lost in a sea of shooters, instead of standing out with an especially tempting price tag.

Also, there were rumblings that Microsoft didn't want to allow the kind of network access and update frequency that CCP needed for this to function.  Sony allowed CCP's shooter to connect to the non-Sony EVE servers, a requirement for this title, that Microsoft was unwilling to provide.

Also, there is a bundle with goodies for DUST 514 with new PS3 consoles.

There are better shooters out there perhaps, but they are on PC and Xbox 360 mostly :)

Originally posted by Muke

think it is interesting but am curious how CCP think they are gonna get players -non-eve players-  (and keep them) to play this sci-fi shooter above the regular shooters that top the charts for years.

 

Should that game fail after a while, is it easy to detach that Dust thing from the space game...

It has been clearly stated with CCP examples that both games can operate completely independant of each other.

Also, maybe the price tag of zero dollars and the inclusion of extras with new PS3 consoles could help.  Also, it's a shooter with incredible depth and customization.