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  Gorwe

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Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1775

1/09/13 3:55:54 PM#21
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...
  Bob_Blawblaw

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Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 1314

1/09/13 4:07:01 PM#22
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

  exwin

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Joined: 3/08/07
Posts: 224

1/09/13 4:11:46 PM#23
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

Agree, why have forums and opinions at all? Just keep eating at McDonalds and buy what ever crap that comes out in a colorful box.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5674

1/09/13 4:19:50 PM#24
Originally posted by exwin
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

Agree, why have forums and opinions at all? Just keep eating at McDonalds and buy what ever crap that comes out in a colorful box.

Why do you keep eating at McDonalds and then bitching about it.  Worse yet, you're eating at McDs and bitching you're not getting Tony Roma's for the same price and as fast.  Here's a pro-tip:  You can choose whatever you want to do.  No one is forcing you to eat at McDs.  Can we be done with idiotic food analogies now?

Persoally, gaming has never been better.  I have more sub-free game choices than I have time to play, more quality games at my disposal than I can find time to play, and am enjoying gaminig more than ever.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Bob_Blawblaw

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Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 1314

1/09/13 4:27:14 PM#25
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by exwin
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

Agree, why have forums and opinions at all? Just keep eating at McDonalds and buy what ever crap that comes out in a colorful box.

Why do you keep eating at McDonalds and then bitching about it.  Worse yet, you're eating at McDs and bitching you're not getting Tony Roma's for the same price and as fast.  Here's a pro-tip:  You can choose whatever you want to do.  No one is forcing you to eat at McDs.  Can we be done with idiotic food analogies now?

Persoally, gaming has never been better.  I have more sub-free game choices than I have time to play, more quality games at my disposal than I can find time to play, and am enjoying gaminig more than ever.

One more food analogy, then no more I swear!

So let's say that there used to be some really great eateries near where the McD's stands now.  Like a great sushi shop, or even a cool but wierd Vietnamese Pho place. But ever since McD's moved in with their 80 gazillion served sign, all the shops started slinging cheapass burgers and we can't get a decent tekkamaki roll anywhere!

 

  User Deleted
1/09/13 4:32:46 PM#26

Couldnt agree more with the OP. Started with the same game and its been downhill since that bloody curse of game called World of Warcraft came to this world.

MMO market was healthy and many game titels with originality in late -90 early 2k. But that is a barely a distant memory now... i keep going back to the old games i used to play.

  apb2011

Novice Member

Joined: 2/26/11
Posts: 77

1/09/13 4:33:12 PM#27
I think you all should get laid. (If you all were getting some on a regular basis you wouldn't give two shits about MMOs)
  User Deleted
1/09/13 4:39:07 PM#28
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by exwin
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

Agree, why have forums and opinions at all? Just keep eating at McDonalds and buy what ever crap that comes out in a colorful box.

Why do you keep eating at McDonalds and then bitching about it.  Worse yet, you're eating at McDs and bitching you're not getting Tony Roma's for the same price and as fast.  Here's a pro-tip:  You can choose whatever you want to do.  No one is forcing you to eat at McDs.  Can we be done with idiotic food analogies now?

Persoally, gaming has never been better.  I have more sub-free game choices than I have time to play, more quality games at my disposal than I can find time to play, and am enjoying gaminig more than ever.

One more food analogy, then no more I swear!

So let's say that there used to be some really great eateries near where the McD's stands now.  Like a great sushi shop, or even a cool but wierd Vietnamese Pho place. But ever since McD's moved in with their 80 gazillion served sign, all the shops started slinging cheapass burgers and we can't get a decent tekkamaki roll anywhere! 

 

Maybe it's the opposite.

 

Maybe the neighbohood had a Fried Cat teriokki and and dog meat surprise shop. Very few people liked eating their pets, but those that did craved them and loved the food more than anything else.

 

Then a new and awesome Steakhouse opened up. Everyone in the neighborhood went there and enjoyed the great food at a reasonable price. Most of them never ate Cat or Dog in their lives, but the new Steak place was awesome!! The pet eaters became angry because the Steakhouse was more popular than their Roasted Dog and Cat and bagan a negative propaganda campaign to fight against the Steakhouse tyrany.

 

To this day, people are being told that the good old Cat and Dog meat is far superior to that kiddie Steak that the mass majority seem to enjoy...despite the fact the numbers of customers past or present do not support their claim...

 

 

  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5674

1/09/13 4:39:35 PM#29
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Why do you keep eating at McDonalds and then bitching about it.  Worse yet, you're eating at McDs and bitching you're not getting Tony Roma's for the same price and as fast.  Here's a pro-tip:  You can choose whatever you want to do.  No one is forcing you to eat at McDs.  Can we be done with idiotic food analogies now?

Persoally, gaming has never been better.  I have more sub-free game choices than I have time to play, more quality games at my disposal than I can find time to play, and am enjoying gaminig more than ever.

One more food analogy, then no more I swear!

So let's say that there used to be some really great eateries near where the McD's stands now.  Like a great sushi shop, or even a cool but wierd Vietnamese Pho place. But ever since McD's moved in with their 80 gazillion served sign, all the shops started slinging cheapass burgers and we can't get a decent tekkamaki roll anywhere!

You can do as many food analogies as you want. :p

There are two McDonalds' within 5 miles of where I work (probably less).  There are also several other fast food options (Carl's, Taco Bell, etc).  I can still go to the Chinese place and get an $8 General Tsao chicken that comes with tea and water and Hot and Sour soup.  The $5 - $8 McDonalds meals haven't driven that out of business, nor has it driven the Thai place, the two Mexican restaurants, the several indy burger/diner joints, or any of the other non-fast food restaurants out of business.  When I want a healthier meal I don't go eat fast food.  I can get a better meal at nearly the same price, but it doesn't come nearly as fast.

Now here's where the analogy breaks down.  We're comparing healthy food choices and small business success to subjective opinions about the quality of online entertainment.  There really isn't a McDonalds of gaming.  You don't get less healthy by playing one game over the other and you're not affecting the local business economy by making a choice between different games you like.

The OP is trying to posit that all current MMOs suck and some of those agreeing with him have equated them to fast food and inferred that older games are like healthy meals.  On top of that there is this mostly unspoken idea that we don't have a choice in what we do when we have all the choice in the world.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Chtuga

Novice Member

Joined: 8/04/09
Posts: 111

1/09/13 4:48:15 PM#30

As I see it, you should try out TSW.

The pvp still needs development, but the pve game is pure awesome and will make you smile, laugh and stay up longer than you are supposed to.  The quests are very well made and will make every other games quests feel even worse after you have done them. Especially the investigation quests! Dont use a spoiler, and you will learn how to play again.

The hardest part is getting used to thinking while questing... all the other games have made follow the map marker, kill 10 rats, pickup whatever you see that is glowing and spend absolutely 0 time thinking. You didnt even need to read the quest, just go on autopilot!

 

In TSW you will learn that you have to pay attention. Follow the clues. Investigate. Think. Fail. and then finally succeed. And experience joy and happiness from completing a single quest! 

 

And the best part... you only need to make 1 character... Healer one moment, change skills/gear and you are the damagedealer or the tank. No need to make 10 alts before you finally decide what you like.

 

So dont wait, go play TSW! Its Buy to Play!

  madazz

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Joined: 10/07/03
Posts: 1303

1/09/13 5:29:12 PM#31
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by asmkm22

Don't buy every MMO that comes out thinknig it's going to be the next WoW.  These days, people are practically begging to just give their money away, with pre-ordering for beta access and buying into crowdfunded indie vaporware.  Wait until something gets released, maybe check some review sites to see what overall opinion is, and then buy it after you know it's not a total dog.  Most have some free trial program after a few months anyway, so you could wait for that.

Who does that?

Data shows that a majority of MMO players do not play.

Personally i don't pay for MMOs. There are more than enough F2P ones.

The F2P systems are a big reason why MMO quality has gone down, due to the companies having to focus on monatizing every little thing rather than making the content and immersion good.

Having said that, the thread is obviously not about F2P games, if you read the title.

Narius has NO DATA. I repeat NO DATA. He has fragments of it. Ask for his link, he will gladly show it to you. IT SHOWS NO DATA OTHER THEN BASIC STATS. If you have the money I am sure the company will gladly let you know how many of those players are individuals, how many play both P2P or F2P, or how many play just one exclusively, and I am sure if you pay they will even tell you how long the average player actually plays a F2P. DO NOT LET HIM FOOL YOU WITH STATS HE CANNOT COMPREHEND!!!!

  Beatnik59

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1/09/13 5:51:12 PM#32

Well, the reason I don't play my old games is because they've been taken away from me.

SWG, Seed, CoH...seems I can't ever stay in a game unless it's closing on me.

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  Gorwe

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Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1775

1/09/13 7:06:18 PM#33
Sorry for my previous post and how it started quote wars. I'll just say what torvaldr said but in another, perhaps more wise, way:

"As the amount of freedom grows, so does the desire of a Man to be shoehorned in a niche."

My very first saying. YAY for me! You decide what it means to YOU :D

  niceguy3978

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1/09/13 7:09:54 PM#34
Originally posted by Dartmed
I am sure that this thread will conclude as a themepark vs sandbox debate .... 

I was thinking it was going to conclude as a "nobody who played mmos before WoW likes mmos anymore because WoW ruined them all." debate.  Actually that was more of a statement, but mark my words someone will say it or something similar to it.

  niceguy3978

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1/09/13 7:17:04 PM#35
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by exwin
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Originally posted by Gorwe
Topic invalid. Argument voided.

There is nothing wrong with MMOs. This batch of MMOs simply does not interest you.

Oh for the love of Asuryan! If you Like RTSes, but don't Like Total War franchise(for example) would you jump up and Down cussing the very universe because it is not your flavour? Why in the nine blazes did you buy Vanilla instead of strawberry anyhow???

Logic is naught here...

Logic truly is naught here...

Why complain about anything that is bad when it's always a matter of perspective?!

Garbage is edible, it's just your choice to eat it, and I shouldn't tell you it's gross :P

Agree, why have forums and opinions at all? Just keep eating at McDonalds and buy what ever crap that comes out in a colorful box.

Why do you keep eating at McDonalds and then bitching about it.  Worse yet, you're eating at McDs and bitching you're not getting Tony Roma's for the same price and as fast.  Here's a pro-tip:  You can choose whatever you want to do.  No one is forcing you to eat at McDs.  Can we be done with idiotic food analogies now?

Persoally, gaming has never been better.  I have more sub-free game choices than I have time to play, more quality games at my disposal than I can find time to play, and am enjoying gaminig more than ever.

One more food analogy, then no more I swear!

So let's say that there used to be some really great eateries near where the McD's stands now.  Like a great sushi shop, or even a cool but wierd Vietnamese Pho place. But ever since McD's moved in with their 80 gazillion served sign, all the shops started slinging cheapass burgers and we can't get a decent tekkamaki roll anywhere!

 

The only way these food analogies make sense to me is if they all charge the same price (or fairly close to it).  It probably makes a little more sense today than it did a few years ago when the whole WoW = McDonalds thing first started but it was really off then.  If everyone is paying 14.99 for their food, then they would go to wherever has the best food.  But, generally the 5 star places charge more than McDonalds and thus the analogy breaks down.  We can claim its marketing, but marketing cannot get people to pay a sub.  It can get them to buy the box, but if they don't like it they won't pay anymore.  

  Lovely_Laly

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game is also real

1/14/13 1:04:09 PM#36


Originally posted by exwin
I think developers are missing a step in the process these days. In the past was something like: [*] Make great game [*] People play and love it [*] Profit It seems lately they are more interested in #3. Current model kinda looks like: Release unfinished game
People play it and get bored in 2 weeks
Free to play
   

I'm quite agree.
Even if it finished with limited content and if people get bored in 2 or 4 months - result will be the same.

Free to play = pay for show off, pay for might = kill depth of the game where already was nothing much to do.

Nobody make like I feel it should work:

1. Make great quality game with small content, sell box, take money and develop.

2. Sub can be handy but can be annoying for many players. For example, worst I hate it when I miss to re-sub, I can't get in and see (not even play, just check) how my account goes.

3. To avoid sub problem, I would prefer buy more boxes and use some cash shop for: cosmetic items (nothing to have with game content); may be buy hard challenges for hardcore players as main game should be casual level or it can be easy/hard x-packs to give fun for each category of players.

I think this system will give less contradictions and more profit.

try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2

  krevra

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1/14/13 1:06:32 PM#37
Originally posted by nariusseldon

So many silly assumptions in the quesiton.

 

1) "Suck"? You mean you don't like them. People don't spend months playing games they think are sucking.

2) "we" .. who are "we"

3) "buying them"? MOre and more MMOs are going F2P. A majority of MMO players don't "buy" anything .. they pay for free.

^this. I dont understand why people generallize so hard and think thar view is the view of the majority.

  User Deleted
1/14/13 1:11:54 PM#38

Because nobody wants to pay a sub anymore, because there are to many games we all want to try.

So developers have to take this in to account not giving them the resources to create better games.

Its a mix of to many games and  player game hopping. whos fault? no ones I guess. We do need to control our urges to play all mmo's hopefully bringing down the stampied of crap games.

  jpnz

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1/14/13 1:15:56 PM#39

Guess it sucks to be you then cause most of the current MMOs are awesome for me.

Yes, I don't even have to 'buy' much due to how many of them are F2P.

So I play MMOs that are fun without paying much of anything.

Go me!

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  nariusseldon

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1/14/13 1:17:30 PM#40
Originally posted by krevra
Originally posted by nariusseldon

So many silly assumptions in the quesiton.

 

1) "Suck"? You mean you don't like them. People don't spend months playing games they think are sucking.

2) "we" .. who are "we"

3) "buying them"? MOre and more MMOs are going F2P. A majority of MMO players don't "buy" anything .. they pay for free.

^this. I dont understand why people generallize so hard and think thar view is the view of the majority.

And i don't understand how they will think people will spend hours playing stuff they don't think is fun.

Do they do that? I don't. Every single game i spent more than an hour on .. is fun to me. I understand they may not be fun to everyone .. but they definitely have to be for me .. otherwise why would i spend the time in the first place?

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