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  karmath

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1/09/13 9:10:20 AM#21
Originally posted by tawess

At least they did not get their accounts back...

 

Still very weird practiss and it sets a dangerous rule of thumb.. Find a exploit... Abuse the living shit out of it. Send the proceeds to your main account... exploit account get banned, demand refund and point back to this incident. If you still get a no go to the BBB or similar and file a complaint.

I find your lack of grammar and understanding of the issue disturbing.

  Derros

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1/09/13 9:11:22 AM#22
Originally posted by tawess

So they give them a full refund so they can come back and rage-"hack" without really loosing any money.

 

Not sure that is a good idea as it does set a (tries to think of the word) precedence?? it can be used as a guideline in the future by people who get banned.

 

All in all it seems to be the week of "be nice to exploiters" as funcom did something similar to the people who exploited the bug in the end of time event.

To be fair, Funcom doesnt have the goodwill built up, and isnt the current industry darling.  They have to tread abit more carefully with throwing out permanent bans.

  Terranah

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1/09/13 9:14:33 AM#23

This is probably the most stable mmo I've ever played.  I don't recall this game ever crashing.  Playing it with very high to max settings usually.

 

So if they get a refund can they buy and play the game again or are they IP blocked from now one?

  Derros

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1/09/13 9:19:30 AM#24
Originally posted by Terranah

So if they get a refund can they buy and play the game again or are they IP blocked from now one?

They can just buy a new one.  One person I know that got banned, still plays on an alt account.  He got ~$300 in gem purchases back too.

  Nefera

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1/09/13 9:21:41 AM#25
Originally posted by Derros
Originally posted by Terranah

So if they get a refund can they buy and play the game again or are they IP blocked from now one?

They can just buy a new one.  One person I know that got banned, still plays on an alt account.  He got ~$300 in gem purchases back too.

This, they won't be able to apply the new code to their old account though, so they'll effectively have to start over.

  botrytis

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1/09/13 9:21:57 AM#26
Originally posted by Terranah

This is probably the most stable mmo I've ever played.  I don't recall this game ever crashing.  Playing it with very high to max settings usually.

 

So if they get a refund can they buy and play the game again or are they IP blocked from now one?

I think both the IP and Email are blocked - at least that is what they did in GW1.

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  Z3R01

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MMO gamer since 1997

1/09/13 9:25:54 AM#27

So many exploiters in this game...

Are items so hard to obtain in GW2 that these people need to cheat for an advantage?

I think of GW2 as a pretty laidback experience. I mean the only truly hardcore aspect of GW2 is sPVP and the only item based rewards in that are cosmetics.

Oh well atleast they were banned so the stuff they gained from the exploit is out of the game now.

Playing: None

Waiting on: None

  Terranah

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1/09/13 9:30:13 AM#28

Well, theoretically, could an exploiter exploit the exploit policy then.  For example....

 

You play for a year and over the course of that year buy a thousand gems to spend on items.  When you are done with the game, exploit, get full refund with money back spent on gems.

 

Hmmmm

  Nadia

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Posts: 11492

1/09/13 9:31:15 AM#29
Originally posted by Celcius

The thread is full of it until proven otherwise. No one has been refunded that was banned. Provide proof and then we will talk. "Hearing of reports" is not exactly proof of this. This is just one guy photoshopping his paypal account.

People will say or do anything to prove that they were right about getting banned and that they should not have been. Desperation drives people to do silly stuff. 

not sure how accurate

but people are claiming they were refunded on this thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/167irk/post_snowflake_ban_full_refund/

 

  Scottgun

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1/09/13 9:34:17 AM#30
Originally posted by tyfon

You mean I could get a refund for this POS if I actually logged in and exploited?

How, where, when??

 

 

 

 

ROFL! My Quote of the Day.

How not to sell me on a game: "And most people that make it past the tutorial seem to appreciate [x game's] uniqueness, even if they don't find it fun."

  cippalippa

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1/09/13 9:53:03 AM#31

So ...

IF

you cheated willingly

AND 

used your money for it

THEN

you are gonna have your money back ???

 

I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:

- if i cheat and i can make away with that ->  i have profit

- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss

- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible

 

Nice to see game theory is not applied  to gaming.

ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit

  tawess

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Posts: 1997

1/09/13 10:18:58 AM#32
Originally posted by karmath
Originally posted by tawess

At least they did not get their accounts back...

 

Still very weird practiss and it sets a dangerous rule of thumb.. Find a exploit... Abuse the living shit out of it. Send the proceeds to your main account... exploit account get banned, demand refund and point back to this incident. If you still get a no go to the BBB or similar and file a complaint.

I find your lack of grammar and understanding of the issue disturbing.

Was that the best thing you could come up with... I feel sorry for your family.

 

But i am sure that you can further explain what part of the issue i missed.?

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2610

1/09/13 11:01:28 AM#33
Originally posted by cippalippa

So ...

IF

you cheated willingly

AND 

used your money for it

THEN

you are gonna have your money back ???

 

I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:

- if i cheat and i can make away with that ->  i have profit

- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss

- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible

 

Nice to see game theory is not applied  to gaming.

ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit

Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.

Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.

Currently playing: GW2
Cooperative (semi cooperative)board games you should check: Pandemic, Sentinels of the Multiverse, Eldritch Horror, Descent 2.0,Level 7 Omega Protocol, Last Night on Earth

  FrodoFragins

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Posts: 2773

1/09/13 11:03:04 AM#34
Originally posted by jpnz

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Full-refund-for-snowflake-exploiters/

 

 I didn't really consider this one to be an 'exploit' (you were essentially converting mithrils to Ectos), but ANet thought it was and perma. banned players.

To ANet's credit, they are now issuing a full refund if you were perma. banned.

Interesting and surprising but good on ya, ANet. 

That defeats the purpose of the bans ...

 

Lesson Learned: If you don't like GW2 but it's too late for a refund.  Just participate in next major exploit.

  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2610

1/09/13 11:44:36 AM#35

Lets see:

Anet is this evil corporation that built a pay to win game and a money grab cash shop.

They don't care about their players cause they already got the player money so they don't need to fix the game, they can ban players, etc.

 

Then:

Anet refund players.

Anet is silly, it defeats the purposes of bans, etc.

 

Cheating to make money to have the account deleted also defeats the purpose of cheating.

If these players return to the game and spend the money back, Anet didn't lose anything either.

If not they got rid of a cheater losign money.

 

So for an evil money grabbing company, Anet seems to not to be too attached to money.

Currently playing: GW2
Cooperative (semi cooperative)board games you should check: Pandemic, Sentinels of the Multiverse, Eldritch Horror, Descent 2.0,Level 7 Omega Protocol, Last Night on Earth

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5823

1/09/13 11:57:09 AM#36
Originally posted by Khrymson

Yeah, of course, my PC and or its components are failing, yet it runs every single other game in existance beautifully except GW2...le sigh  Doesn't matter though, planning to stop by my bank today and request a charge back.  ANet won't reply to my tech emails, so fuck em....  

Or you could, you know, just request a refund.  They have a refund policy.   Telling them to fuck off and doing a charge back is a lot tougher though.  The story might get you laid down at the geek bar.

Curse you AquaScum!

  cippalippa

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Joined: 6/22/11
Posts: 111

1/09/13 11:59:14 AM#37
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by cippalippa

So ...

IF

you cheated willingly

AND 

used your money for it

THEN

you are gonna have your money back ???

 

I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:

- if i cheat and i can make away with that ->  i have profit

- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss

- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible

 

Nice to see game theory is not applied  to gaming.

ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit

Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.

Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.

Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had before starting, so they can start anew

This shows me how they care to botters more than players, and makes me wonder if are they hiring botters themselves :/

Oh, btw look at this, you'll get a laugh

 

  KingJiggly

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Joined: 8/03/11
Posts: 807

Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

1/09/13 12:02:25 PM#38
Originally posted by cippalippa
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by cippalippa

So ...

IF

you cheated willingly

AND 

used your money for it

THEN

you are gonna have your money back ???

 

I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:

- if i cheat and i can make away with that ->  i have profit

- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss

- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible

 

Nice to see game theory is not applied  to gaming.

ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit

Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.

Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.

Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew

The refunds are for the snowflake exploit, not botters.

 

so actually:

if you get cuaght for the exploit and banned, then you can get refund. Should you buy the game again, then you are left with a lot less than you had prior to the ban.

if you werent banned cause you didnt cheat, then you are now far ahead of those that did.

if you cheated and werent banned, then you simply werent caught this time. No different than a police car picking one out of 5 speeders in the road, the others made it out of luck, however should be careful in the future.

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  botrytis

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Posts: 2532

1/09/13 12:06:08 PM#39
Originally posted by cippalippa
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by cippalippa

So ...

IF

you cheated willingly

AND 

used your money for it

THEN

you are gonna have your money back ???

 

I don't think it is a great policy to dissuade from cheating, because it is an actual endorsment of cheating/exploiting:

- if i cheat and i can make away with that ->  i have profit

- if i cheat and i got caught i will be refunded -> i have no loss

- if i don't cheat at all -> my profit will be the lower possible

 

Nice to see game theory is not applied  to gaming.

ANet getting better and better :O -> vomit

Not really - your characters stop existing so you lost time, assuming this is true.

Also I made a killing selling mithril and snowflakes to the cheaters.

Ask botters how much they care that they've lost the characters they levelled in 3 days when after the ban they've got all the money back they had begfore starting, so they can start anew

Name one game that doesn't have bots. You can't because there isn't one.

 

People will always figure a way around any security if they want to bot.

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  pedrostrik

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Joined: 4/07/10
Posts: 400

1/09/13 12:06:48 PM#40


Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Khrymson Well hell, if they're giving out refunds to cheaters, then they need to give me a reefund since I can't get teh damn game to run stable on my PC.  Keeps giving me black screen freezes, CTDs and the worst shutting down my MB, forcing me to manually reset it to get my PC to reboot.   Broken game, can't play, give me my money back!
  Helpful hint: It's not the game that's broken.
Then why do tons of other players report the same issues...its not just my PC!
Because idiocy is part of the human condition? Of course even if 1000 players report that problem and post on the forums 1000/2000000 = 0.05% Clearly seems like a failing component (PSU being the first suspect) or an overclock going unstable
Yeah, of course, my PC and or its components are failing, yet it runs every single other game in existance beautifully except GW2...le sigh  Doesn't matter though, planning to stop by my bank today and request a charge back.  ANet won't reply to my tech emails, so fuck em....  
sorry m8 but even in my 4 year old laptop i can run it minimum settings and low features, but never crashed. On my i5-3rd generation i run it always in 60fps and settings almost high, maybe i got 1 or 2 freezes. Try to reset your machine and if its a own made PC , sometimes RAM its damage and only in a very few circumstances it flaws.

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