Trending Games | ArcheAge | WildStar | Landmark | Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,851,181 Users Online:0
Games:732  Posts:6,224,765
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

Hardware  » STEAM BOX revaled

4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search
78 posts found
  User Deleted
1/08/13 6:10:37 PM#41
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Quizzical
Regardless of whether this or any other project is blessed by Valve or not, I think there could be a market for $400 pre-built rigs with specs chosen to be sensible for a severe budget gaming system.  (A10 APU with 1866 MHz DDR3 in properly matched channels.)  But not if it's $1100 for a severe budget gaming system, as that misses the "severe budget" part.

Maybe, but it seems like a bad year to think about releasing something like this with Xbox and Playstations getting updating this year most likely.  I'd hate to invest in a Steambox device for the same price that I can get a next gen console that servers almost the same purpose (aside from the traveling thing someone mentioned).

The problem is if Xbox and PS3 do see new systems this year, what are they going to offer? Sony just filed a patent on software that will remove the ability to play second hand games. Microsoft had similar information leak. Both have purchased streaming game companies (Well sony has, Microsoft has been looking into streaming companies. I don't know if Microsoft has actually purchased one yet, they could even be working on the service on their own). 

 

Other leaked information and materials along side the rumor mill don't paint a pretty picture for what the next gen Xbox and PS are going to have in store for us. There are some nice additions in the information, but theres a lot of bad in there. 

 

Now what steam has going for it. Steam is known as a cheap source for games. The recent sales followed by the announcment of steam enabled devices is going to do good things for them. Sure... you can likely get a new gen PS or Xbox for around a grand that offers similar or slightly better performance and specs and then spend 60-70+ a game or you can spend a grand on a "steam box" device that does a lot more, has free online service, has cheaper games (Some times much cheaper. Look at the recent sale bundles lol, $100 for 6-10 good games isn't bad. On the go Steam gaming, locally delivered Steam gaming, so many ways to play Steam games which are mostly the games people want to play. 

 

Me personally, I think its the other way around in the end. Microsoft and Sony would not be wise to launch a console this year. Numerous gaming devices are launching this year on top of streaming services, hardware, and software. Without a solid lineup of games from the word go and competetive pricing it could prove to be a very bad move for either to launch. 

 

The industry has stagnated as a result of the consoles not being replaced.  Both next gen consols are actually expected by the end of this year, with some recent reports that xbox 720 might be as early as this summer.

As for the patent that sony applied for regarding locking down used and rented games, there isn't a lot of expectation that it is actually getting implemented, at least not in this next generation.  It's either a defensive patent, or something for the future.  Most analysts know that it would be a bad move on Sony's end to do that, because it would then just become a selling point for Microsoft to advertise on, about how the Xbox isn't restricted.  Not saying it won't happen, just that if it does, it's only going to hurt Sony to do it now.

Lastly, steam games are certainly very affordable, and it's about the only real selling point I can see for a steambox device.  it still doesn't seem like a great sell right now for the reasons I've already mentioned.  Older titles on older hardware only attract certain types of customers; the same types that bought a Ps2 long after the Ps3 had been out for example.  Everyone else is going to be looking at their 300 to 400 dollars and comparing a steambox with a cheap library of decent games that play on lower settings, or a next gen console that will be fairly cutting edge for at least a few years.

 

Now, it's very possible that right now, the whole steambox thing really is in the prototype phase, and Valve just needs a few smaller OEMs like Xi3 to be able rough out some basic hardware, enough for Valve to start doing some internal testing to determine what kind of specifications they want.  By the time an actual product gets released, it could very well be a few years down the road, and by then the steambox may very well be on better footing.

  kadepsyson

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/08/13 6:11:53 PM#42
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by moosecatlol

Not the steambox, a failed kick starter project that is being picked up by valve.

Threads like these deserve to be deleted.

The problem is that people are using the term steambox to reference a specific device, when it's really more of a category of devices, like "windows box" or "linux box."

The thread is fine.

Samsung Galaxy S4 announced!  IT"S THE GOD DAMN STEAM BOX!!!!  check it out, the thing can run the steam mobile app, therefor this must be the steambox.  I know, you may think of it as a smartphone, but it is actually the steambox.

 

Actually when I think of "Steam Box" I am looking for information on Valve's hardware device that they have not yet announced.

Thats what he said. People are looking for a Valve made Steam Box. The problem is there isn't one and there isn't one going to be announced. Valve isn't developing any hardware. They have partnered up with different hardware developers and manafacturers to do it for them. The "Steam Box" is actually referencing these devices, it's just that some don't understand that.

Or maybe they are going to make one, and they haven't announced it officially yet as per this quick blurb from Ben Krasnow: "For example, it's true that we are working on getting Steam into the living room, and are planning for a hardware box, but we have no current plans to announce anything in 2013," Krasnow said"

 

But yeah keep calling any device that does something related to Steam the "Steam Box" when in fact the actual device by Valve may be forthcoming, whatever you wanna do.

It reminds me of how my mom used to call my Xbox a "Nintendo" bless her heart.

El Psy Congroo

  kadepsyson

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/08/13 6:15:54 PM#43
Oh and this may come as a shock to some (hurr its a software company) but Valve said in the past day or two that they have other additional HARDWARE plans in addition to a Steam Box.

El Psy Congroo

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 7:22:29 PM#44
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

Build a mini itx then?  Mine has a 7970 and an i5 3570k and I can lug it around fairly easilly.  The only problem with lugging it around is when I need to drag my monitor with me.  Oh how I constantly regret getting a big one -.-

Edit :

On another note, depending on how these things are priced, they may end up being incredibly silly to buy compared to just building a tiny mini itx which supports only shorter video cards.

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10572

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

1/08/13 8:13:22 PM#45


Originally posted by Castillle

Originally posted by kadepsyson Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice. I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.
Build a mini itx then?  Mine has a 7970 and an i5 3570k and I can lug it around fairly easilly.  The only problem with lugging it around is when I need to drag my monitor with me.  Oh how I constantly regret getting a big one -.-

Edit :

On another note, depending on how these things are priced, they may end up being incredibly silly to buy compared to just building a tiny mini itx which supports only shorter video cards.




Is it possible to build a PC with integrated graphics chips, or would that just be one of those little Android PC sticks?

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 8:23:12 PM#46
@lizard -> AMD trinity APU

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13314

1/08/13 8:30:48 PM#47
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Castillle

Originally posted by kadepsyson Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice. I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.
Build a mini itx then?  Mine has a 7970 and an i5 3570k and I can lug it around fairly easilly.  The only problem with lugging it around is when I need to drag my monitor with me.  Oh how I constantly regret getting a big one -.-

 

Edit :

On another note, depending on how these things are priced, they may end up being incredibly silly to buy compared to just building a tiny mini itx which supports only shorter video cards.




Is it possible to build a PC with integrated graphics chips, or would that just be one of those little Android PC sticks?

 

Castillle basically already said this, but here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280

If the integrated graphics in that were a discrete card, you'd expect to pay about $60 for it in order for it to be a decent value for the money.

The only things stopping integrated graphics from outperforming $200 discrete cards are that a large processor plus a large GPU is an enormous die--which means expensive and poor yields--and they can't get nearly enough memory bandwidth to feed a higher end GPU in a processor form factor.  The first problem will greatly lessen with subsequent die shrinks (and yes, compared to $200 discrete cards of the future, too), and they're working on the second.  Apparently Intel is working on a silicon interposer to have some video memory inside of the CPU package, but that's still expensive.

  kadepsyson

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/08/13 8:31:35 PM#48
Originally posted by Castillle
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice.

I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.

Build a mini itx then?  Mine has a 7970 and an i5 3570k and I can lug it around fairly easilly.  The only problem with lugging it around is when I need to drag my monitor with me.  Oh how I constantly regret getting a big one -.-

Edit :

On another note, depending on how these things are priced, they may end up being incredibly silly to buy compared to just building a tiny mini itx which supports only shorter video cards.

Sure, you could go a bit bigger in size, and build your own.

I think this is more marketed for people who want to grab it at the store, and just use it wherever they may be though.  No need to build or select parts or what have you, just take it with you and plug in.

It's there to give people access to their steam games in an incredibly easy and portable yet capable platform.

I can probably fit it inside the case that I use when I travel with my Xbox 360.  Swap between Xbox games in Airport terminals and my Steam Library.

El Psy Congroo

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10572

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

1/08/13 8:41:00 PM#49


Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by Castillle

Originally posted by kadepsyson Also, yes you can build a more powerful desktop to crush this tiny Piston.  But if you don't feel like moving your computer from your desk over to your TV, or don't feel like moving your desktop when you travel across the country, this could be an excellent choice. I'd love a device that's incredibly easy to transport and lets me play my steam library of games where I travel to personally.
Build a mini itx then?  Mine has a 7970 and an i5 3570k and I can lug it around fairly easilly.  The only problem with lugging it around is when I need to drag my monitor with me.  Oh how I constantly regret getting a big one -.-   Edit : On another note, depending on how these things are priced, they may end up being incredibly silly to buy compared to just building a tiny mini itx which supports only shorter video cards.
Is it possible to build a PC with integrated graphics chips, or would that just be one of those little Android PC sticks?  
Castillle basically already said this, but here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280

If the integrated graphics in that were a discrete card, you'd expect to pay about $60 for it in order for it to be a decent value for the money.

The only things stopping integrated graphics from outperforming $200 discrete cards are that a large processor plus a large GPU is an enormous die--which means expensive and poor yields--and they can't get nearly enough memory bandwidth to feed a higher end GPU in a processor form factor.  The first problem will greatly lessen with subsequent die shrinks (and yes, compared to $200 discrete cards of the future, too), and they're working on the second.  Apparently Intel is working on a silicon interposer to have some video memory inside of the CPU package, but that's still expensive.




It would be reasonable to assume that the company that Valve has doing this can build each unit for less than we could buy the packages for on New Egg. A complete package using that chip runs $428 right now. Man, if they can sell these things, they are going to make a killing on the hardware alone.

Is it that the people making these new things that expect people will pay a lot of money for them, or is it that people see things that are relatively new and are willing to pay a lot of money for them?

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 8:51:50 PM#50

Except the X5A, which is worse than the X7A high end gaming one with the processor similar to the AMD A-10, costs roughly $800.

 

 

Specs for the X5A


General Specs:
– eSATA 3.0, 2.5 and 1.5 support
– USB 2.0 support
– PMC Optical Interface
– Internal Storage: 16GB mSATA SSD (up to 128GB)
– SSD Quick Boot Linux

External Connectors:
– 2 – eSATA 2.5 Ports
– 6 – USB 2.0 Ports (root hubs)
– 3 – Reconfigurable Audio channels
– (1-3, Microphone, Headphone and/or
Line-in/Line-out)

Internal Connectors:
– 1 – USB 2.0 Connector
– 1 – Fan Connector

Secondary I/O Module

General Specs:
– DirectX Support: DX11
– Open GL: v2.0
– Video Decode: UVD 2.0 – VC-1, MPEG2, MPEG4
– HDCP: v1.3b (up to 1080p)
– Side-Port Memory: 128MB (DDR2-800)
– DP/DVI: 1080p, with Digital Audio (HDMI optional)
– Max Resolution: 2560x1600 @ 32bpp (dual output capable)
– Dual Display Standard: DVI-DL + VGA, DVI-DL + DP, VGA + DP (HDMI converter optional)

External Connectors:
– 1 – Ethernet connector (10/100/1000)
– 1 – Display port (DP/DVI, HDMI optional)
– 1 – Display port (DVI-DL + VGA, DVI-DL + DP, VGA + DP)
– 1 – Power connector (19volts DC @ 3.42amps)

 

Unless they completely slash the price of those, I dont expect the X7A to cost any less than 1000-1200.

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

  kadepsyson

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

1/08/13 8:55:18 PM#51
Originally posted by lizardbones


It would be reasonable to assume that the company that Valve has doing this can build each unit for less than we could buy the packages for on New Egg. A complete package using that chip runs $428 right now. Man, if they can sell these things, they are going to make a killing on the hardware alone.

Is it that the people making these new things that expect people will pay a lot of money for them, or is it that people see things that are relatively new and are willing to pay a lot of money for them?

 

I'm not sure it is Valve having anyone do this.  I think it is a seperate company building their own product while designing it to work with Steam with Valve's approval.

Valve will have their own hardware soon enough, so why are they having another company create their own competition?

El Psy Congroo

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 8:58:24 PM#52

Valve doesnt have anything to do with them aside from Valve investing in them most likely order to get more research done for the steambox. These Xi3 hardware are strictly PCs and dont have the same advantage of consoles where everyone has the same set up for an extended amount of time.  Theyre just making it smaller and easier to switch around parts.  Theres sposedly a way to link several of them together according to their old kickstarter page but Im not sure how that works yet especially since they dont have their own OS and you have to use standard x86/64 operating systems.

 

Im guessing Valve is the majority shareholder for Xi3 after their investment.
 

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10572

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

1/08/13 9:07:27 PM#53


Originally posted by Castillle
Valve doesnt have anything to do with them aside from Valve investing in them most likely order to get more research done for the steambox. These Xi3 hardware are strictly PCs and dont have the same advantage of consoles where everyone has the same set up for an extended amount of time.  Theyre just making it smaller and easier to switch around parts.  Theres sposedly a way to link several of them together according to their old kickstarter page but Im not sure how that works yet especially since they dont have their own OS and you have to use standard x86/64 operating systems.

 

Im guessing Valve is the majority shareholder for Xi3 after their investment. 




Aaaah. I get it. This is just the first of what might be many Steam boxes with Valve's stamp of approval. Still, seems like they're going to make a killing on the hardware.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 9:19:00 PM#54

Quite the oppisite.  This whole Xi3 thing will cause them to lose money or at best, have it stay stagnant.  What they get out of it is the ability for them to get into researching the best way to do steambox through Xi3.  The time they get the money back is when Valves steambox finally gets released or even further. 

 

Remember that without Valve stamp, Xi3 wasnt even able to successfully kickstart. Also, I posted the price for the X5A model and the specs in my previous post. 

Edit : Price point is high because they most likely werent earning anything during the R&D phase.  And as you may know, engineers are pretty expensive. This applies to NVIDIA shield, Project Fiona, etc.

 

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

  adam_nox

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/31/06
Posts: 2062

1/08/13 9:34:19 PM#55
Originally posted by Castillle

Quite the oppisite.  This whole Xi3 thing will cause them to lose money or at best, have it stay stagnant.  What they get out of it is the ability for them to get into researching the best way to do steambox through Xi3.  The time they get the money back is when Valves steambox finally gets released or even further. 

 

Remember that without Valve stamp, Xi3 wasnt even able to successfully kickstart. Also, I posted the price for the X5A model and the specs in my previous post. 

Edit : Price point is high because they most likely werent earning anything during the R&D phase.  And as you may know, engineers are pretty expensive. This applies to NVIDIA shield, Project Fiona, etc.

 

That's why you pay them in shares. 

 

honestly though, what's the point of this, just to own a cute computer?  Hey apple can do it, why not us!?  *boggle*.  A new PC OS that prevents piracy with steam at the heart of it that requires an always on connection would go a lot further.  Build hardware around it if you want, but don't underpower and overprice it. 

 

  Rthuth434

Novice Member

Joined: 12/26/12
Posts: 367

1/08/13 9:38:02 PM#56
Originally posted by Quizzical
What's the internal hardware?  Trinity?  Richland?  Kabini?  The claimed 384 shaders in integrated graphics fits Trinity A10 chips, but there isn't a 3.2 GHz Trinity A10 quad core.  It could conceivably also be Richland, which might well also have a 384-shader part.  Or maybe they got AMD to make a custom bin, which AMD will do for customers that want to buy a zillion chips.

current models use trinity. steambox might end up with richland. 

the A7X is using a A10-5800 undeclocked, AKA the A10-4600M.

  Terranah

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/03/04
Posts: 3616

1/08/13 9:48:05 PM#57

I actually had a similar idea years ago.  The problem is console hardware is mostly fixed for the life of the unit, except maybe memory.  So I thought maybe if they made it with a modular design.  Another words, at a certain point, you might want to upgrade your console's graphics.  Instead of being stuck with on board, I thought wouldn't it be cool if it was just a cartridge that any one with no tech experience what so ever could slide the old one out and new one in, without ever having to open the console up.  Same with cpu and maybe memory.

 

It's not exactly the same thing. 

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10572

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

1/08/13 9:49:00 PM#58


Originally posted by Castillle
Quite the oppisite.  This whole Xi3 thing will cause them to lose money or at best, have it stay stagnant.  What they get out of it is the ability for them to get into researching the best way to do steambox through Xi3.  The time they get the money back is when Valves steambox finally gets released or even further. 

 

Remember that without Valve stamp, Xi3 wasnt even able to successfully kickstart. Also, I posted the price for the X5A model and the specs in my previous post. 

Edit : Price point is high because they most likely werent earning anything during the R&D phase.  And as you may know, engineers are pretty expensive. This applies to NVIDIA shield, Project Fiona, etc.

 




I meant Xi3 when I said, "They". Xi3 will make a killing on the hardware. I had no idea that Valve was bankrolling them from the start. I would think Valve makes money off of what they always make money off of - the software that people buy. Except with this type of hardware, they can tap into the console market where they don't currently exist. They would get to do it with their existing stable of games too.

I had originally thought the Piston was a Valve product sold by Valve.

It does seem like things, they are a changing. Maybe the Mayans were right after all.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13314

1/08/13 9:55:04 PM#59
Originally posted by Castillle
– DirectX Support: DX11
– Open GL: v2.0

Wait, what?  If it's any recent AMD graphics, it's at least OpenGL 4.2, and possibly 4.3 by now.

  Castillle

Forum Bunny

Joined: 10/24/10
Posts: 2681

1/08/13 10:00:52 PM#60

@Quiz - I didnt check those specs I just copy pasta'd their page for the X5 lol.

 

"Conversely, we believe our X3A Modular Computer will be the ideal entry-level machine. Powered by a Dual-Core 64-bit, x86-based 1.65GHz chip and 4GB of DDR3 RAM, the X3A Modular Computer is designed for most home and office applications. The X3A Modular Computer will come standard with 32GB of solid-state storage (upgradeable to 1TB), can support two high-definition displays simultaneously, and will have two USB 3.0/2.0 ports, four eSATAp ports, four USB 2.0 ports, and a 10/100/1000 Ethernet port.

Housed in a cube-like chassis roughly the size of a grapefruit (4.27x3.56x3.656-inches) and needing an energy-friendly 18 Watts of power to run, Xi3’s X3A Modular Computer is slated to begin shipping in early 2013 at prices starting at under $500."

However its been rebranded int othe X5A with a slightly better processor (or higher bin) rated at 1.8GHz now.  It seems woefully expensive though if you wanted a better SSD.

Searching Xi3 in google will give you the prices theyre selling for but with the Xi3 main website down, its hard to see their own prices.  One website shows it as an Athlon Dual Core for the X5A which mimics how the rest of the stores say its a dual core AMD chip

@Lizard - Without Valve promoting them, they failed to kickstart.  I doubt Valves name would add THAT much to their sales.

 

Edit : I feel like im getting sick -.- 

Since price points always talks about the minimum specs....

Here are the X7A models.

Expect the bottom bin processor board to cost about $700 and expect it to have 32GB storage.  Bottom bin processor would be this underclocked to 3.0ghz

''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**

4 Pages « 1 2 3 4 » Search