Hell dude, you are 24 years old according to your profile!  What the hell are you doing playing games you old fart!

Get out and get a job!!  Games are for kids!

Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

These are MMOs, so even the really old ones would still have some people watching over them to some degree. I'd figure they would notice your preferences better if you actually stuck to the game you said was superior, rather than proclaiming it while playing one of the "cash grabs." Just saying.

Studio used to build virtual world for players to enjoy.

Most of them aren't anymore. They just try to spoon fed the players making most game play boring in the short term.

Although I have to admit older games were a bit too much a second job than an entertainment, sometimes.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

These are MMOs, so even the really old ones would still have some people watching over them to some degree. I'd figure they would notice your preferences better if you actually stuck to the game you said was superior, rather than proclaiming it while playing one of the "cash grabs." Just saying.

Cmon Enigma, you know the answer to that.

  If he went back and played the old games he would realize they are just the same as the new games and that would blow the whole illusion, leaving him with nothing to whine about.

Originally posted by Kyleran

No, it's not you, newer MMO's today largely follow one main design path, and if you don't care for it you're pretty much out of luck.

But that said, there seems to be some bright spots on the horizon, so keep your eyes open and perhaps one day one of these titles will really suprise and please us.

 

 

Bright spots for sure......

Love it! I knew it was just a matter of time before more people started saying the same thing. Hooray for people voicing their opinions regardless, and hooray for the devs starting to listen too!

Originally posted by Enigmatus
Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

But.. but.. the addiction.

I did play Everquest progression servers when they fired up those last year for almost a year. It did have moments where I loved it like I used to, it is not the same game as it was. Without going into details, it was partly the original everyquest game with new rules, but the new rules (and more) are designed for expansion 13 and not good for the first exansions. The team did their best to bring the original Everquest, but I guess you cant throw crazy amound of resources after only 10k players. Apart from Project 1999, the original Everquest is lost in the bit sky. Also with already 500+ days /played before I re-started... That you can do in a game that offers a real Virtual world full of lore combined with good gameplay and endless adventure, compared to this any mmorpg since has felt tiny to me.

Market oversaturation...

If they made a gazillion versions of pong back in the day, it would have been ho-hum too...

Remember back in the 70's when Star Wars came out?  People stood in line for days to see it and got right back into the line to see it again.  No one had seen special effects like that before.  By the time movie #3 rolled out we were getting beat over the head with special effects.  By the time the latter movies rolled out, we had seen so much special effects that we could see past it and notice there was nothing else but special effects.

MMORPGs are like Star Wars Geriatric Edition.  Been done too much and by too many.

What you're looking for is something other than an MMORPG... in fact, something that hasn't been done before.  

I'll give you a hint... no game company on the planet at this moment is developing anything new... just more Star Wars sequels.

Someone needs to come up with Pong... not a clone... but that very first time we've ever seen it before kind of game.  MMORPGS aren't new... they are old... very old.

When I first started playing MMOs, I hoped that they would evolve more and more into better virtual worlds.  I was hoping MMOs would become a true pen and paper rpg substitute.  But that hasn't happened.  Like all emergent markets, MMOs have been affected by profits. 

Now, MMOs are less virtual worlds and more games.  They feel like games now.  I suppose that's all good and it draws a huge crowd for profits but a part of me is disappointed that the virtual world is still beyond the horizon.

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

These are MMOs, so even the really old ones would still have some people watching over them to some degree. I'd figure they would notice your preferences better if you actually stuck to the game you said was superior, rather than proclaiming it while playing one of the "cash grabs." Just saying.

Cmon Enigma, you know the answer to that.

  If he went back and played the old games he would realize they are just the same as the new games and that would blow the whole illusion, leaving him with nothing to whine about.

You pretty much nailed it, and it explains a lot of posts on MMORPG.com. People constantly reminisce about the golden era of MMO's when things took forever to accomplish, everything you did was bogged down by overtly stupid mechanics, and the games were "worlds" instead of lobbies or some equally nebulous complaint.

It's sad. It's like reading the memoirs of an old man who refused to change with or accept the times, and as a result remained in a perpetual state of disappointment and pessimism. When the genre shows signs of moving in a different directon, which it does, people continue to complain that it's not moving fast enough or the new direction isn't backwards enough.

Over a decade has passed since that "golden era" of MMOs. Teenagers and adults once enthralled by these games are now jaded and burned out. Despite knowing that they don't enjoy the genre as it is, they refuse to move on. They still go out and buy the most recent MMO instead of going back to a game they know they'll enjoy. It boggles my mind that people would willingly stick around and spend money on something they proclaim to dislike and, at the same time, stop supporting the games that they truly did like.

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

These are MMOs, so even the really old ones would still have some people watching over them to some degree. I'd figure they would notice your preferences better if you actually stuck to the game you said was superior, rather than proclaiming it while playing one of the "cash grabs." Just saying.

Cmon Enigma, you know the answer to that.

  If he went back and played the old games he would realize they are just the same as the new games and that would blow the whole illusion, leaving him with nothing to whine about.

 

You pretty much nailed it, and it explains a lot of posts on MMORPG.com. People constantly reminisce about the golden era of MMO's when things took forever to accomplish, everything you did was bogged down by overtly stupid mechanics, and the games were "worlds" instead of lobbies or some equally nebulous complaint.

It's sad. It's like reading the memoirs of an old man who refused to change with or accept the times, and as a result remained in a perpetual state of disappointment and pessimism. When the genre shows signs of moving in a different directon, which it does, people continue to complain that it's not moving fast enough or the new direction isn't backwards enough.

Over a decade has passed since that "golden era" of MMOs. Teenagers and adults once enthralled by these games are now jaded and burned out. Despite knowing that they don't enjoy the genre as it is, they refuse to move on. They still go out and buy the most recent MMO instead of going back to a game they know they'll enjoy. It boggles my mind that people would willingly stick around and spend money on something they proclaim to dislike and, at the same time, stop supporting the games that they truly did like.

I don't think a lot of people are disputing that MMOs haven't improved in some areas.  UI and graphics have certainly improved over the years.  That doesn't mean everything that has changed has changed for the better.

Originally posted by SpectralHunter

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Something that bugs me: If you love the old games so much, why don't you go back and play those games, instead of lining up to buy the next "shallow, cash grab" like everyone else? Don't you think you are kinda being hypocritical by saying how amazing those games in the past were, and then saying the recent games are shit, but then you go and buy those new games anyways? Wouldn't you be able to send the message that "you don't want these new shallow cash grabs" by not buying them in the first place much more effectively?

These are MMOs, so even the really old ones would still have some people watching over them to some degree. I'd figure they would notice your preferences better if you actually stuck to the game you said was superior, rather than proclaiming it while playing one of the "cash grabs." Just saying.

Cmon Enigma, you know the answer to that.

  If he went back and played the old games he would realize they are just the same as the new games and that would blow the whole illusion, leaving him with nothing to whine about.

 

You pretty much nailed it, and it explains a lot of posts on MMORPG.com. People constantly reminisce about the golden era of MMO's when things took forever to accomplish, everything you did was bogged down by overtly stupid mechanics, and the games were "worlds" instead of lobbies or some equally nebulous complaint.

It's sad. It's like reading the memoirs of an old man who refused to change with or accept the times, and as a result remained in a perpetual state of disappointment and pessimism. When the genre shows signs of moving in a different directon, which it does, people continue to complain that it's not moving fast enough or the new direction isn't backwards enough.

Over a decade has passed since that "golden era" of MMOs. Teenagers and adults once enthralled by these games are now jaded and burned out. Despite knowing that they don't enjoy the genre as it is, they refuse to move on. They still go out and buy the most recent MMO instead of going back to a game they know they'll enjoy. It boggles my mind that people would willingly stick around and spend money on something they proclaim to dislike and, at the same time, stop supporting the games that they truly did like.

I don't think a lot of people are disputing that MMOs haven't improved in some areas.  UI and graphics have certainly improved over the years.  That doesn't mean everything that has changed has changed for the better.

I agree with that, but that wasn't my point. People 'round here get all worked up and say the genre is dying, or MMO's have betrayed them (lol, really?) or some other type of generalized, sensationalist rubbish. So what do they do about it? They refuse to move on or go play a game they like. It's self-inflicted misery. If a person says they're fed up with themeparks and enjoys the older style games, then why don't they go and play the older style game instead of running out and buying every new release? It frazzles my melon.

I hate MMORPG analogies... especially food analogies, but I'm going to use one anyways. If I enjoy an older, more rustic version of Shepard's Pie, I'm going to eat that one. I'm not going to go out and buy up every single modern version of it and expect it to suit my tastes.

seems that games now are not deep enough, like if they were fast made for careless users.

but I guess not only, also we playing like same kind of games over and over, they are not coming new anymore, just one more similar but smaller content and strong impression of deja vu and spending money for nothing much.

I don't want to butt heads or anything I just wanted to point out my experience of the last several years.

Bought GW2 in April when pre order launched.(Was a birthday gift- I only got it due to no sub fee or I would have passed.)

Bought SWTOR the December before that. ( I had buyers remorse almost immediatly.)

Bought Wow Cata the year before that. (I only remember I didn't stay long enough to make the first raid.)

I'm not buying into these "New" games anymore after even this small recent sample.But one game a year is hardly akin to enabling addicted game companies into releasing crap games for a quick money grab.

I know for sure I am buying way less games then I did as little as 5 years ago.Even with Steam. I have like 60-70 Playstation and like 50 playstation 2 games. I must have over a hundred old PC games from Master of Orion and Master of Magic and old  SSI gold box DnD games to the original elder scrolls Arena game and Warcraft II and III  and Diablo and Diablo 2 ( I even have the little known original Diablo expansion Hellfire)  Might and Magics up to 6 or 7 , Kotor, Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Civilization games, GalCiv games, sins of a solar empire, a bunch of sims games, wizardry games, Ultima 1 to I don't know how many, all of the x com games,  and dozens more that I can't remember. I would have to go dig out my boxes.

But, I only have about 8 Playstation 3 games, and like I said at the beginning of my post I haven't been buying many PC games either.

I have done what some of you said gamers are not doing. I am taking my ball and going home. I only stop in at sites like these to see what is going on because I want a new game. So I keep up on the news. Its going to take a lot to get me back into a mmo though, the recent weak offerings have me agreeing with the threads like this one and even less willing to part with my money.

Your getting old is the simple answer and your suffering from old-timers disease.  Don't worry most of us who finished school over a decade or so ago have it.

It's the same with everything the stuff we did and remember from our late high school and college years you know back in the days when bills were someone elses problem.  The movies were better, comics made sence and you could actually relate and understand the words to songs you listened to.  Today movies are crap, comics are stupid and how anyone can listen to that stuff they call music these days is beyond all human understanding.  You know the same stuff our parents used to say to us about what we watched read and listened to.

So don't worry drag your ratty old comfortable chair out onto the front porch you know the one your wife is insisting you should of thrown out a few years back and practice yelling at the kids to get the hell off my lawn.

Originally posted by Spector88

"This may come as a surprise, but despite your earlier beliefs, you are not the center of the world. These games are not made for you, specifically. They never were. So do us a solid and cut the victim routine"

 

- I guess that's why MMORPG's are thriving and all the latest releases aren't being flamed into the grown. Kinda hard to bash me for being the center of the world, when each big release is met with disappointment.

 

Um, the MMO marketplace is bigger than it's ever been, there are more games available than there ever have been at any point in MMO history.  In fact, there are too many games available, there just aren't enough players available to go around.  And don't take these forums as an indication that these games are a disappointment, the people who matter aren't posting here, they're out playing the games.

If MMOs werern't doing so well, they wouldn't be putting out so damn many.

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

Originally posted by Spector88

"This may come as a surprise, but despite your earlier beliefs, you are not the center of the world. These games are not made for you, specifically. They never were. So do us a solid and cut the victim routine"

 

I hate to break it to you but when it comes to buying games and spending my own money, I am the center of the universe.

Cool.  If you don't like what's out there, stop spending your money and go find something else to do.  Amazingly simple.