I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

One could argue that missions, quests and instances to be themepark elements

Other could argue based on what it lacks, which would be housing, terraforming and such

Originally posted by dinams
One could argue that missions, quests and instances to be themepark elements

Those are the three I thought of, with missions being a kind of blend. What percent would you say is the split?

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

 

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

 

Exactly what crafting would you like to see that didn't complement fighting? Are you thinking Lotro style house decorations in crafting or something else?

Originally posted by GrayKodiak

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

Exactly what crafting would you like to see that didn't complement fighting? Are you thinking Lotro style house decorations in crafting or something else?

My statement wasn't that the end results of crafting were solely intended for use by fighters, but that the crafting professions are designed to complement your main path as a fighter, not replace it.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by GrayKodiak

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

Exactly what crafting would you like to see that didn't complement fighting? Are you thinking Lotro style house decorations in crafting or something else?

My statement wasn't that the end results of crafting were solely intended for use by fighters, but that the crafting professions are designed to complement your main path as a fighter, not replace it.

I said "no right and wrong answers, buuut ;) Perhaps you didn't know about fishing, weqi, devination, and caligraphy.

What social elements do you feel are missing? I'm in no guild and have a 20+ person friend list (talk to 7 or 8 of them a day for all types of things) a couple follwers a hand full of enemies, and I random open world group atleast 3 times a day. School leaders, deacons, managers,  guild keeps, guildwars, and an inter-connected profession system. Honest question, what elements are missing?

damnit I bit... So what are the theme park elements in this game? What's the split?

Originally posted by GrayKodiak
no one likes fishing.

lmao best fishing in a mmorpg evaaa! to bad I can't sell any of this. I wanted to open a fish market. Gonna have to wait till later in live I guess lol.

@gary the *Number 1 Evil* guy put a warrent on me tonight... wtf huh? So as i type I'm chilling in my stall trying to make some cash. I set it up before they take me to prison and end my night.

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by GrayKodiak

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

Exactly what crafting would you like to see that didn't complement fighting? Are you thinking Lotro style house decorations in crafting or something else?

My statement wasn't that the end results of crafting were solely intended for use by fighters, but that the crafting professions are designed to complement your main path as a fighter, not replace it.

I said "no right and wrong answers, buuut ;) Perhaps you didn't know about fishing, weqi, devination, and caligraphy.

What social elements do you feel are missing? I'm in no guild and have a 20+ person friend list (talk to 7 or 8 of them a day for all types of things) a couple follwers a hand full of enemies, and I random open world group atleast 3 times a day. School leaders, deacons, managers,  guild keeps, guildwars, and an inter-connected profession system. Honest question, what elements are missing?

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

You know you just disqualified EVE from being a sandbox right? 

On topic though. What do you feel are the theme park elements of the game

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by GrayKodiak

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by bcbully

I'm in the camp of, AoW is about as sandy as it gets. Others think AoW is a hybrid.

What I'd like to know is, what do you feel are the "themepark" elements? Is it slpit 50/50?  No right or wrong answers here, but i'd like to hear some.

Players follow a basic storyline (one of a half dozen)

Combat is the primary path, with professions intended to complement fighting, not to provide an alternative to it.

Other than that, the game seems to look toward open ended gameplay in most other areas but seems to lack many of the social tools that make the sandbox content more than just alternate themepark grinds. It's an interesting mix of themepark and sandbox, but without social emphasis the sandbox side tends to fall flat much the way themepark does when it lacks forced interdependency.

Exactly what crafting would you like to see that didn't complement fighting? Are you thinking Lotro style house decorations in crafting or something else?

My statement wasn't that the end results of crafting were solely intended for use by fighters, but that the crafting professions are designed to complement your main path as a fighter, not replace it.

I said "no right and wrong answers, buuut ;) Perhaps you didn't know about fishing, weqi, devination, and caligraphy.

 

What social elements do you feel are missing? I'm in no guild and have a 20+ person friend list (talk to 7 or 8 of them a day for all types of things) a couple follwers a hand full of enemies, and I random open world group atleast 3 times a day. School leaders, deacons, managers,  guild keeps, guildwars, and an inter-connected profession system. Honest question, what elements are missing?

Ah, the snake pit. nvm.

Look you got me to bite. The least you could do is answer my honest questions about the social elements you think are missing, and what is this storyline you keep talking of. Is it good?

edit - what are you talking about at all? 

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

I know that crafters can help to build the guild's village once they control territory. Not sure if it's in an instanced area, conquerable or any of the other specifics beyond that.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

I know that crafters can help to build the guild's village once they control territory. Not sure if it's in an instanced area, conquerable or any of the other specifics beyond that.

Open world, and conquerable.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

You know you just disqualified EVE from being a sandbox right? 

 

On topic though. What do you feel are the theme park elements of the game

 Ok, well then Eve isn't a sandbox, the term itself should be fairly apparent to everyone if you think about it. If a game developer makes a game world you can join and persistantly alter such as city building, then they have given you a sandbox to play in as you will.

If a game developer makes a game world that you simply have fun on their premade rides then it's a themepark , people think because some games have an economy they are sandbox and that is where the confusion is.

So if you as a player have the GUI to affect the code of the game by making permenant changes as you see fit,  you sir are in a sandbox. Anything else is themepark no matter how tedious it is or how many rocks you mine.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Sandbox games give the players the ability to actually alter the code in a game to include, move or remove game ellements. If you can't plop down a building or town, move things around the landscape or otherwise affect the game world in a permenant manner, then it has zero to do with the concept of sandbox.

You know you just disqualified EVE from being a sandbox right? 

 

On topic though. What do you feel are the theme park elements of the game

 Ok, well then Eve isn't a sandbox, the term itself should be fairly apparent to everyone if you think about it. If a game developer makes a game world you can join and persistantly alter such as city building, then they have given you a sandbox to play in as you will.

If a game developer makes a game world that you simply have fun on their premade rides then it's a themepark , people think because some games have an economy they are sandbox and that is where the confusion is.

So if you as a player have the GUI to affect the code of the game by making permenant changes as you see fit,  you sir are in a sandbox. Anything else is themepark no matter how tedious it is or how many rocks you mine.

I hate to be the one to tell you this. Your definition of sandbox is incorrect as how it currently releates to MMOs and what is commonly accepted to mean by the developers and the players.

Sand Box is player choice. Or more specifically putting choice back in the players hands. The more freedom to choose the more snadbox game is. The more guided the player is the more theampark it is.

It has nothing to do with changing, adding or removing game code... As a matter of fact, how the fu..., hell did you even come up with that?!?

Originally posted by rdrpappy

So if you as a player have the GUI to affect the code of the game by making permenant changes as you see fit,  you sir are in a sandbox. Anything else is themepark no matter how tedious it is or how many rocks you mine.

So griefers can add permanent  code  "Area effect:  Cause 9999hp dps on newbie as they enter "  to ground area where new players spawn into this "sandbox"  and watch the virtual bodies pilling up...

Next idea please...