Originally posted by Four0Six
OP: you bored with MMOs?....Huh?....Try somethig completly different, maybe tabletop wargaming, there atleast you keep your models you painted.

Don' think I'd have any friends to play with. Would be interesting but I am the only one to even play mmos. It was a fluke that I got 3 people to play d3 for our short stint

Originally posted by Dantae87
WoW and Rift are by far the only two best created theampark mmos out there...ppl that dont think so are obviously blind or know nothing of what a theampark is. Out of the 2 i would pick Rift just cuz i played wow for 6 years and bored to hell with it now. havent touched it for almost 1year n a  1/2 now

Why so many people love RIFT? For me it always looked like polished, but dull and unimaginative WoW clone. What you guys found there that I didnt see?

TSW rest r just money grabers

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by Dantae87
WoW and Rift are by far the only two best created theampark mmos out there...ppl that dont think so are obviously blind or know nothing of what a theampark is. Out of the 2 i would pick Rift just cuz i played wow for 6 years and bored to hell with it now. havent touched it for almost 1year n a  1/2 now

Why so many people love RIFT? For me it always looked like polished, but dull and unimaginative WoW clone. What you guys found there that I didnt see?

If only RIFT got other artist team. Then i might had stand a chance. World is GREAT rest is so rhe same ((((

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by Dantae87
WoW and Rift are by far the only two best created theampark mmos out there...ppl that dont think so are obviously blind or know nothing of what a theampark is. Out of the 2 i would pick Rift just cuz i played wow for 6 years and bored to hell with it now. havent touched it for almost 1year n a  1/2 now

Why so many people love RIFT? For me it always looked like polished, but dull and unimaginative WoW clone. What you guys found there that I didnt see?

Since you used the words WoW clone, I doubt I'll be able to explain to you what makes Rift different. Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. They do things differently. It has an unlimited free trial. Go try it for yourself.

best themepark for a new player (new to the game itself, not MMOs): (Runner up in parenthesis)

WoW (EQ2)

best themepark for an endgame only type of player:

Rift (WoW)

best themepark for those who value the journey above the destination

LOTRO (EQ2)

Best themepark for RP inclined

LOTRO (EQ2)

Best game world:

EQ2 (WoW)

Best housing:

EQ2 (Rift)

Best Themepark PvP:

none of the above really, WoW by default

best overall:

1. EQ2

2. WoW

3. Lotro

4. Rift

left out TSW and GW2 since you dont like them

Originally posted by ezpz77

Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. 

You can say that all you want, but thats almost as silly as the people who try to say WoW was an EQ clone.  It is BLATANT that WoW was the blueprint for Rift.  3 tree system. skill upgrades every 2 levels.  Battleground PvP.  recycled dungeons at maxk level meant to be run endlessly for currency.  endgame based on tiered carrot on a stick currency grind.  bare minimum, gather, click, combine crafting.

Yes, GW2 has a few of these and Rift has moved away from a WoW clone, but its still very close to WoW and added a helathy dose of EQ2.

It remains behind those two games though because it lacks the charm or soul of either.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. 

You can say that all you want, but thats almost as silly as the people who try to say WoW was an EQ clone.  It is BLATANT that WoW was the blueprint for Rift.  3 tree system. skill upgrades every 2 levels.  Battleground PvP.  recycled dungeons at maxk level meant to be run endlessly for currency.  endgame based on tiered carrot on a stick currency grind.  bare minimum, gather, click, combine crafting.

Yes, GW2 has a few of these and Rift has moved away from a WoW clone, but its still very close to WoW and added a helathy dose of EQ2.

It remains behind those two games though because it lacks the charm or soul of either.

Sure, it's a blueprint, but it's also very different. People are just so jaded and cynical that if it's even remotely close to the "WoW forumla" it's a clone.

Rift has a three tree system. WoW does not, and even when it did the one in Rift isn't an exact copy. Rift has nine different trees that you are free to mix and match along with seperate trees at level cap. By spending points in the tree you get abilities. The two talent systems are very different, but since it's a three talent tree system, it's a clone of what's been done.

Rift has battleground PVP. WoW has battleground PVP. They are exactly the same except that they're not. Rift has different maps, and also has things to promote open world PVP. SWTOR has battlegrounds too, but I can't find an experience similar to that of Huttball in GW2, Rift, or WoW.

Recycled dungeon content along with all the open world content, instant adventures, rifts, tears, raid rifts etc. Yup, they sure are the exact same.

Rift has an extensive housing system. WoW does not. Rift has a collections system. WoW has archeology. They're similar, but not the same.

GW2 has dynamic events like Rift. Does that make it a Rift clone? No, of course not.

I'm sick of people expecting games in the same genre (MMORPGs), even the same sub-genre(themaparks), to be vastly different from one another. There's going to be overlapping ideas. It doesn't mean that one of them is a "clone" of another. 

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. 

You can say that all you want, but thats almost as silly as the people who try to say WoW was an EQ clone.  It is BLATANT that WoW was the blueprint for Rift.  3 tree system. skill upgrades every 2 levels.  Battleground PvP.  recycled dungeons at maxk level meant to be run endlessly for currency.  endgame based on tiered carrot on a stick currency grind.  bare minimum, gather, click, combine crafting.

Yes, GW2 has a few of these and Rift has moved away from a WoW clone, but its still very close to WoW and added a helathy dose of EQ2.

It remains behind those two games though because it lacks the charm or soul of either.

 

Sure, it's a blueprint, but it's also very different. People are just so jaded and cynical that if it's even remotely close to the "WoW forumla" it's a clone.

Rift has a three tree system. WoW does not, and even when it did the one in Rift isn't an exact copy. Rift has nine different trees that you are free to mix and match along with seperate trees at level cap. By spending points in the tree you get abilities. The two talent systems are very different, but since it's a three talent tree system, it's a clone of what's been done.

Rift has battleground PVP. WoW has battleground PVP. They are exactly the same except that they're not. Rift has different maps, and also has things to promote open world PVP. SWTOR has battlegrounds too, but I can't find an experience similar to that of Huttball in GW2, Rift, or WoW.

Recycled dungeon content along with all the open world content, instant adventures, rifts, tears, raid rifts etc. Yup, they sure are the exact same.

Rift has an extensive housing system. WoW does not. Rift has a collections system. WoW has archeology. They're similar, but not the same.

GW2 has dynamic events like Rift. Does that make it a Rift clone? No, of course not.

 

I'm sick of people expecting games in the same genre (MMORPGs), even the same sub-genre(themaparks), to be vastly different from one another. There's going to be overlapping ideas. It doesn't mean that one of them is a "clone" of another. 

no two MMOs released were ever as close as WoW and Rift. Of ocurse they were never identical, but I have never seen a title so blatantly use another game as its base in this genre.  Rift was clearly "what can we do to WoW to make it better?"  So they let people pick the three trees, added collections from eq2, and added the public quest system.  But this was clearly added on top of a WoW base.  Rift isnt the only game to do this (SWtOR), but they changed the least from it.

Games like EQ2, WoW, TSW, and GW2 were based off 'what can we do to this genre to make it better' as opposed to 'what can we do to this game to make it better'

Originally posted by ezpz77

Since you used the words WoW clone, I doubt I'll be able to explain to you what makes Rift different. Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. They do things differently. It has an unlimited free trial. Go try it for yourself.

I leveled a character in RIFT to 20 level. Those were the most boring 20 levels Ive ever experienced in themepark MMORPG. They basically holded my arm sending from point A to point B to point C, feeding me quests that were so dull, I wanted to kill myself. So my question is still there. What people find good in RIFT? Its not graphics thats for sure. There are MMOs with much better visuals. PvP? No. Combat? No. Its miles behind TERA and WoW's combat. Maybe raiding? Ive heard its quite okey'ish

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by ezpz77

Since you used the words WoW clone, I doubt I'll be able to explain to you what makes Rift different. Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. They do things differently. It has an unlimited free trial. Go try it for yourself.

I leveled a character in RIFT to 20 level. Those were the most boring 20 levels Ive ever experienced in themepark MMORPG. They basically holded my arm sending from point A to point B to point C, feeding me quests that were so dull, I wanted to kill myself. So my question is still there. What people find good in RIFT? Its not graphics thats for sure. There are MMOs with much better visuals. PvP? No. Combat? No. Maybe raiding? Ive heard its quite okey'ish

some people just dig it.  It is an endgame focused game though, 1-50 is treated as an inconvenience to get through as fast as possible (hence adding IAs, which are mostly recycled quests, instead of new zones/content).  If you like WoW's endgame youll probably like Rift's quite a bit as well.

EQ Mac is the best one currently running.   population is increasing .  it's stuck in time in 2002 .  It's not a quest hub game , it's a grind monsters for xp game.  It's really the only option for non-quest hub people. 

go to the rerolled.org  / "new fires of heaven after the big fight" 

w/e and find the pc shortcut to play it  without  a mac.. 

Nope Temerity hasn't  killed quarm yet .   i'd think they would soon . been in potime for awhile now . their guild+

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

Rift is no more of a WoW clone than GW2 is. 

You can say that all you want, but thats almost as silly as the people who try to say WoW was an EQ clone.  It is BLATANT that WoW was the blueprint for Rift.  3 tree system. skill upgrades every 2 levels.  Battleground PvP.  recycled dungeons at maxk level meant to be run endlessly for currency.  endgame based on tiered carrot on a stick currency grind.  bare minimum, gather, click, combine crafting.

Yes, GW2 has a few of these and Rift has moved away from a WoW clone, but its still very close to WoW and added a helathy dose of EQ2.

It remains behind those two games though because it lacks the charm or soul of either.

 

Sure, it's a blueprint, but it's also very different. People are just so jaded and cynical that if it's even remotely close to the "WoW forumla" it's a clone.

Rift has a three tree system. WoW does not, and even when it did the one in Rift isn't an exact copy. Rift has nine different trees that you are free to mix and match along with seperate trees at level cap. By spending points in the tree you get abilities. The two talent systems are very different, but since it's a three talent tree system, it's a clone of what's been done.

Rift has battleground PVP. WoW has battleground PVP. They are exactly the same except that they're not. Rift has different maps, and also has things to promote open world PVP. SWTOR has battlegrounds too, but I can't find an experience similar to that of Huttball in GW2, Rift, or WoW.

Recycled dungeon content along with all the open world content, instant adventures, rifts, tears, raid rifts etc. Yup, they sure are the exact same.

Rift has an extensive housing system. WoW does not. Rift has a collections system. WoW has archeology. They're similar, but not the same.

GW2 has dynamic events like Rift. Does that make it a Rift clone? No, of course not.

 

I'm sick of people expecting games in the same genre (MMORPGs), even the same sub-genre(themaparks), to be vastly different from one another. There's going to be overlapping ideas. It doesn't mean that one of them is a "clone" of another. 

no two MMOs released were ever as close as WoW and Rift. Of ocurse they were never identical, but I have never seen a title so blatantly use another game as its base in this genre.  Rift was clearly "what can we do to WoW to make it better?"  So they let people pick the three trees, added collections from eq2, and added the public quest system.  But this was clearly added on top of a WoW base.  Rift isnt the only game to do this (SWtOR), but they changed the least from it.

 

Games like EQ2, WoW, TSW, and GW2 were based off 'what can we do to this genre to make it better' as opposed to 'what can we do to this game to make it better'

What's wrong with taking an already excellent product and trying to improve upon it? Rift did their own thing, and eventually got further and further away from WoW. There are major differences, and there were when the game launched as well. People overgeneralize features like talent trees and endgame content. I can play WoW and play Rift and have a very different experience because the two handle the way things work differently. Yes, I'm using a talent tree. No they're not the same thing. Yes, I'm chasing carrots. No, it's not the same.

If they make a good game that people enjoy then they have improved the genre.

Originally posted by ezpz77

 

What's wrong with taking an already excellent product and trying to improve upon it? 

Because its lazy and shows a distinct lack of originality.  Most games build from the ground up.  Rift (and a couple others) built from WoW up.

And perhaps this is why (to many, many people) Rift is missing that spark, charm, or soul-whatever you want to call it.  They seem to have been too focused on making a game they felt others would want to play (using wow as a base) instead of creating a game with their own vision.

Originally posted by bopice12

EQ Mac is the best one currently running.   population is increasing .  it's stuck in time in 2002 .  It's not a quest hub game , it's a grind monsters for xp game.  It's really the only option for non-quest hub people. 

go to the rerolled.org  / "new fires of heaven after the big fight" 

w/e and find the pc shortcut to play it  without  a mac.. 

 

EQ mac isnt a themepark though.

Has Quarm been killed yet?

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

 

What's wrong with taking an already excellent product and trying to improve upon it? 

Because its lazy and shows a distinct lack of originality.  Most games build from the ground up.  Rift (and a couple others) built from WoW up.

And perhaps this is why (to many, many people) Rift is missing that spark, charm, or soul-whatever you want to call it.  They seem to have been too focused on making a game they felt others would want to play (using wow as a base) instead of creating a game with their own vision.

Tell me which games have built from the ground up? A very small handful of games like EVE have done something different and built their own foundation. The majority of themeparks all use ideas that already exist. That includes WoW, EQ2, TSW, GW2 etc. They all build upon each other. It's ridiculous to expect developers to come up with completely new or re-imagined ideas for every video game and every feature they release. GW2 built upon ideas that have been lingering around the genre for quite some time, but I wouldn't say it shows a distinct lack of originality.

Originally posted by bopice12

EQ Mac is the best one currently running.   population is increasing .  it's stuck in time in 2002 .  It's not a quest hub game , it's a grind monsters for xp game.

You must be kidding, right?

Guild Wars 2

great updates and communication.

I love the secret jumping puzzles and story

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by ezpz77

 

What's wrong with taking an already excellent product and trying to improve upon it? 

Because its lazy and shows a distinct lack of originality.  Most games build from the ground up.  Rift (and a couple others) built from WoW up.

And perhaps this is why (to many, many people) Rift is missing that spark, charm, or soul-whatever you want to call it.  They seem to have been too focused on making a game they felt others would want to play (using wow as a base) instead of creating a game with their own vision.

 

Tell me which games have built from the ground up? A very small handful of games like EVE have done something different and built their own foundation. The majority of themeparks all use ideas that already exist. That includes WoW, EQ2, TSW, GW2 etc. They all build upon each other. It's ridiculous to expect developers to come up with completely new or re-imagined ideas for every video game and every feature they release. GW2 built upon ideas that have been lingering around the genre for quite some time, but I wouldn't say it shows a distinct lack of originality.

None of these games took an existing MMO as their start point like Rift did.  They used the genre as their start point.