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  Doogiehowser

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1/07/13 3:56:53 PM#41
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by SandBoxKing
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
This model isn't going to work. When will these people learn? it is very strange to see a an already niche title to take road of monthly sub and cash shop. Guess someone is too over confident of their game.

Greetings..

This model may not be to players in the west liking but be in no doubt that in Asia it will not be an issue. I think many here are forgetting that we in the west wont be seeing AA for at least a year and a half with Russia being the first outside Asia.

 The MMO world does not start and finish in the west, AA will be the biggest MMO in Korea and have a vast following in Asia.

Damn right they are confident of they're game.

Yeah but this is not going to work in west. That is what i am trying to say. When even themepark MMOS can not pull it off i highly doubt a niche sandbox title is going to pull it off in west. So yeah they are way too over confident if they released AA in west with this model. They are going to fall flat on their face.

 

Well, now, wait a minute...

Themepark games can't pull it off because they can't keep up with the content or, if you are thinking of some of the latest offers, not enough content and bugs and such.

People will pay for a sub if there is value to be had and people will pay for cosmetic items if they are "neat".

I really doubt that it is just because of lack of content that prompts people to reject sub model + cash shop model.

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  Terranah

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1/07/13 4:00:31 PM#42
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by SandBoxKing
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
This model isn't going to work. When will these people learn? it is very strange to see a an already niche title to take road of monthly sub and cash shop. Guess someone is too over confident of their game.

Greetings..

This model may not be to players in the west liking but be in no doubt that in Asia it will not be an issue. I think many here are forgetting that we in the west wont be seeing AA for at least a year and a half with Russia being the first outside Asia.

 The MMO world does not start and finish in the west, AA will be the biggest MMO in Korea and have a vast following in Asia.

Damn right they are confident of they're game.

Yeah but this is not going to work in west. That is what i am trying to say. When even themepark MMOS can not pull it off i highly doubt a niche sandbox title is going to pull it off in west. So yeah they are way too over confident if they released AA in west with this model. They are going to fall flat on their face.

 

Well, now, wait a minute...

Themepark games can't pull it off because they can't keep up with the content or, if you are thinking of some of the latest offers, not enough content and bugs and such.

People will pay for a sub if there is value to be had and people will pay for cosmetic items if they are "neat".

 That's me, totally.  From what I've seen of the game it looks really compelling.  I'm getting it, no doubt.  If I like playing it I'll keep subbing to it, and if there's a cash shop with some cool cosmetic stuff, sure I'll buy some.  Give them a little extra money to develop more stuff and I my baby girl (avatar) is happy with the latest fufu.

  rojoArcueid

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Posts: 5040

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1/07/13 4:01:44 PM#43
another subscription + cash shop game (with possible retail box price too). Im sure i wont have to wait more than a year after launch for a F2P conversion to start playing it. We know that is how its going to end.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2623

1/07/13 4:03:26 PM#44

Sub and cosmetic cash shop, I am ok with, when it starts to be xp potions, and world items that give an advantage, I have problems with....We will see.

 

I didn't see what they are charging for a sub either, I know asia can be very different for those types of things, and in some places, you can only charge for game play on a time used basis...So it could have nothing to do with how it will launch here...Whenever that could be.

 

  Daxamar

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Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 451

1/07/13 4:19:23 PM#45
Originally posted by rojo6934
another subscription + cash shop game (with possible retail box price too). Im sure i wont have to wait more than a year after launch for a F2P conversion to start playing it. We know that is how its going to end.

But for that year, before the flood..its goin to be awesome!

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 811

1/07/13 4:31:53 PM#46

Sub + Cash Shop

 

  theoneandonly

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Posts: 103

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1/07/13 5:15:44 PM#47
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

 

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

  Yalexy

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1020

1/07/13 5:19:44 PM#48

People need to understand that the cash-shop isn't selling anything that makes you stronger. It's just fluff, like clothes and other vanity-items.

So get over it.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5507

1/07/13 5:20:42 PM#49
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  negativf4kk

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Joined: 6/25/12
Posts: 318

1/07/13 5:20:58 PM#50
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by SandBoxKing
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
This model isn't going to work. When will these people learn? it is very strange to see a an already niche title to take road of monthly sub and cash shop. Guess someone is too over confident of their game.

Greetings..

This model may not be to players in the west liking but be in no doubt that in Asia it will not be an issue. I think many here are forgetting that we in the west wont be seeing AA for at least a year and a half with Russia being the first outside Asia.

 The MMO world does not start and finish in the west, AA will be the biggest MMO in Korea and have a vast following in Asia.

Damn right they are confident of they're game.

Yeah but this is not going to work in west. That is what i am trying to say. When even themepark MMOS can not pull it off i highly doubt a niche sandbox title is going to pull it off in west. So yeah they are way too over confident if they released AA in west with this model. They are going to fall flat on their face.

 

Well, now, wait a minute...

Themepark games can't pull it off because they can't keep up with the content or, if you are thinking of some of the latest offers, not enough content and bugs and such.

People will pay for a sub if there is value to be had and people will pay for cosmetic items if they are "neat".

Themepark games can't pull it off because they can't keep the croud. If u want battle ground pvp u would rather play MOBA. If u want PvE there r a lot of already estabished games with a deep PvE system. All is left is a lone player in MMO. Wrong player for the good game or wrong game for the good player.

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  xAPOCx

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1/07/13 5:29:31 PM#51
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

 

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

LOL wasnt ment as an insult. Im very much looking forward to AA.

  theoneandonly

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Joined: 12/06/12
Posts: 103

Life - the one and only MMO. All the rest will FAIL!!!!

1/07/13 5:29:55 PM#52
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 811

1/07/13 5:34:19 PM#53
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

EDIT: *rude comment*

If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

  Ginaz

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Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1678

1/07/13 5:41:12 PM#54
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

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  theoneandonly

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Joined: 12/06/12
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Life - the one and only MMO. All the rest will FAIL!!!!

1/07/13 5:41:56 PM#55
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

 

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

LOL wasnt ment as an insult. Im very much looking forward to AA.

 its ok. its just a discussion. Everyone enttitled to an opinion.

  theoneandonly

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Joined: 12/06/12
Posts: 103

Life - the one and only MMO. All the rest will FAIL!!!!

1/07/13 5:45:22 PM#56
Originally posted by Ginaz
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

Your signiture is the best example of modern MMO developed for the west.

  Torvaldr

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Posts: 5507

1/07/13 5:48:09 PM#57
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

EDIT: *rude comment*

If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  xAPOCx

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Posts: 811

1/07/13 5:51:46 PM#58
Originally posted by Ginaz
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I feel a bit sorry for the western gamer in general. Modern sandbox need a team. Team need dedication. In past years west gamer was fed with money grabing subscribtion based themepark MMO like games with cash shop.Nothig else i can say.

Really?  Because I feel sorry for Asian gamers having to put with the endless of amounts of crap that they're fed by Asian developers.  I have yet to play an Asian MMO that is worth a damn.

Are you Asian?

  PsychoPigeon

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Posts: 587

1/07/13 5:55:21 PM#59
Another game to avoid then. I avoid anything that has a cash shop or a monthly fee. I want everything free, I'm also a socialist.
  theoneandonly

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Joined: 12/06/12
Posts: 103

Life - the one and only MMO. All the rest will FAIL!!!!

1/07/13 5:57:42 PM#60
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by theoneandonly
Originally posted by xAPOCx

Sub + Cash Shop

Posting picture of an asian man in scotish like outfit?????

AA got deep crafting system deep housing system. It separates PVPers From PvEers without braking ecomony. What else u need from Sandbox MMO?

Well he's got a Korean pop star dancing on Obi-Wan Kenobi's table.  What do you expect?

A sub is a deal breaker for me.  I'm not renting limited access to games anymore.  None of them are worth that to me.

I think iv said this in another post before but ill say it again here. Im very VERY glad AA will have a sub. It will insure that i wont have to play with people like you.

EDIT: *rude comment*

If you have no interest in sub based games then i guess its time to move on then.

Interesting that you had to be so obnoxious and rude.  I'm not sure why you're so threatened by those who have a different view from yours.  Anway, I guess I'm glad I won't have to game with you either.  I doubt I'm really missing out.

Oh, and I'll give my feedback in the discussion any time I damn well please and you and those like you will just have to deal with it.  I'm not "moving on" or "shutting up".  Believe it or not, I'm not alone and it seems those of us who like sub-free gaming options have some financial muscle.  Notice TSW offers a sub-free option now.  Expect this changing business model to evolve and become more pervasive if games want to survive.

It will be interesting to see in the coming couple of years if the staunch sub-only crowd is large enough to support that business model anymore.  I doubt it, but we'll see.

There r 3 types of gamer.

Dedicated

Casuals

Just to play and forget.

TSW is Casual. AA is dedicated. Diffrent game for diffrent crowd.

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